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Marathon approaching 15k CCU low (sponsored by coachmcguirk91 - still having a blast)
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I don't think your question is proper. S2 doesn't need to "undo" anything. It needs to improve in a few key areas.
You can take the world's best chocolate chip cookie recipe, mess with each ingredient amount by 10 - 20%, and you'll have something that tastes awful. Marathon just needs to improve the recipe. It doesn't need to become a different game.
My hopes as far as improvements on S2 grind and frustrations...
- Tighter SBMM
- The new Runner Sentinel could reduce wet fart engagments with "alarm abilities".
- New loot that will reduce wet fart engagments.
- Weapons and shields could have trade offs. IE Weight could slow players down, increase noise to reduce skill gap.
- Rook could be reworked into being fun to play.
- A proper solo and / or duo mode would go a long way to reducing frustration.
- Shields & heals could take 100 - 200% longer to work in order to punish aggressive players.
- Night Dire Marsh could feel substantially different than the current maps and provide a mini aspirational experience to improve the sense of grind.
- They could force players to choose limited upgrades to help players feel they're building something unique.
There's a million ways to improve the game. That's what makes this genre so special. You can't substantially improve Street Fighter VI or Overwatch like you can Marathon.
Hollywood Hitman
Gold Member
Well the unibrow bomber strikes again. Overall he's right but he lost me at the end he went into how he doesn't wish anyone to fail over wokeness or anything, etc... And I wish I could talk to him and say dude you can't have band trends take off, sure if someone asked me do I want people fired no... I want games to be good, but here's what I want more is devs to make GOOD DECISIONS. If a company can't make good decisions anymore theyre a waste.
If every game was a kumbaya moment then every bad decision, every bad choice, every bad habit etc.. Will go unscathed. You gotta break some eggs to make an omelet. Bungie is not even remotely the same bungie anymore so there's no more love there, it's a bunch of weirdos that somehow always land in these positions that push slop out and that is why we hope for failure so that other companies see we don't want any of this anymore. If bungie can get their act together sure make a good game I'd play it but I think they are in trouble, big trouble here
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Johnny Concrete
Member
Nooooo, stay in your corner!
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
Nooooo, stay in your corner!
I bet the twitter mob already handed out the pitchforks.
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CrustyBritches
Gold Member
And the Bungie sponsored tiki torches.
This game launched like a men_in_boxes Wet Fart™, and has been dropping players at a consistent 15-20% WoW. That logic only applies when you start off well and drop players later in the season.
Marathon,
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Zacfoldor
Gold Member
My GOD he's solved it.Look it's simple, nobody wants shit out of the toilet, just put it in a trash bag or directly in the bowl, it's a simple thing really , in a way Marathon players like to play with their
Make Marathon an alternate Gambit mode in Destiny 2.
2 birds, meet one stone.
Conflict NZ
Member
Incredible, a whopping 19 hours under 10K CCU today (04:05UTC to 00:05UTC), smashes the previous record of 17. 80% of the day is now spent under 10K CCU.
On a brighter note for Marathon, it actually breached 10K today and based on past trends looks like it might beat Sunday's CCU. Maybe the Mothers Day cope was right after all, yesterday was significantly below previous projections.
On a brighter note for Marathon, it actually breached 10K today and based on past trends looks like it might beat Sunday's CCU. Maybe the Mothers Day cope was right after all, yesterday was significantly below previous projections.
falconhoof
Member
Marathon won the peak but lost the war today (UTC based capture).
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| Game | Date UTC | Coverage h | Avg CCU | Peak CCU | Player-hours | DAU range | DAU midpoint |
| Destiny 2 | Mon 2026-05-11 | 24.0 | 8,005 | 10,590 | 192,118 | 64,039-153,694 | 96,059 |
| Marathon | Mon 2026-05-11 | 24.0 | 7,281 | 11,215 | 174,754 | 58,251-139,803 | 87,377 |
Roman Empire
Member
Good eye. Unless it has been delayed?No maintenance today?
Venzik
Member
The closer you are to perfection, the less room there is to improve.
Do you understand?
AgatonSax
Member
CCU so low it's hard to tell.No maintenance today?
Zacfoldor
Gold Member
I'll have to admit, its embarrassing admitting why I hate Marathon. Nobody even asked. This may be insightful to
Men_in_Boxes
Don't judge me, lol:1. It is a mean game
2. It is not made for me
3. It is designed to reduce their work
4. It is made at the expense of a PvE game I love
5. Nothing is replacing the PvE game, it will cease to be made
6. No extra things to do besides the anxiety
7. A mode game that repeats over and over with no goal, loot doesn't really matter, skill is randomized
8. A lack of friends and social skills, so no access to end game or compiler for me ever
9. A dislike of the Bungie business model
10. The community happily kicking me out and having fun without me
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
True, perfection of a simple tool like a hammer or straw is difficult after a certain point. Those have largely held the same design for the last 100 years.
Extraction is a drone. It's so much bigger and more complex than Street Fighter VI or Overwatch. It's why everyone will have their eyes on S2.
Salmorejo
Member
Everyone has their eyes on S2 for the CCU meltdowns, not for the game.
Ben87fr
Member
11. It's shit from a butt
I'll have to admit, its embarrassing admitting why I hate Marathon. Nobody even asked. This may be insightful to
1. It is a mean game
2. It is not made for me
3. It is designed to reduce their work
4. It is made at the expense of a PvE game I love
5. Nothing is replacing the PvE game, it will cease to be made
6. No extra things to do besides the anxiety
7. A mode game that repeats over and over with no goal, loot doesn't really matter, skill is randomized
8. A lack of friends and social skills, so no access to end game or compiler for me ever
9. A dislike of the Bungie business model
10. The community happily kicking me out and having fun without me
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
I didn't see a StreetsOfBeige update from last night. I think last Monday was 13.2K peak vs this Monday 11.8K peak, so -11% WoW. Should still see sub-10K peak later this month.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
I do not judge you, friend. Other than points #3,#7, and #10 everything makes a degree of sense. I don't believe Marathon is for everybody, nor do I believe it represents the pinnacle of the genre. You are still welcome to trash it whenever your heart inspires you.
I'll have to admit, its embarrassing admitting why I hate Marathon. Nobody even asked. This may be insightful to
1. It is a mean game
2. It is not made for me
3. It is designed to reduce their work
4. It is made at the expense of a PvE game I love
5. Nothing is replacing the PvE game, it will cease to be made
6. No extra things to do besides the anxiety
7. A mode game that repeats over and over with no goal, loot doesn't really matter, skill is randomized
8. A lack of friends and social skills, so no access to end game or compiler for me ever
9. A dislike of the Bungie business model
10. The community happily kicking me out and having fun without me
Eventually every day will be maintenance day.No maintenance today?
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Kronark
Member
I agree a lot of these could help with shorter term frustration and player bleed, maybe bring a few people who quit back on board. I'm doubtful that any of these are going to massively revitalize the game or bring in new players though. If someone had never played Marathon are any of the changes above going to matter to them or sell them the game? Maybe Night Dire Marsh could be unique enough that it gets some new player interest from a trailer, but the length of time shields take to apply? What rook feels like to play? No one who hasn't already experienced Marathon is going to have any strong feelings about these or even be looking at the patch notes. They should of course improve the game to stop the bleed but exclusively trying to recover existing players is likely a losing strategy because they're only going to get a fraction of them back and it didn't do tremendously well to begin with.
Marathon's greatest strength and chance at a comeback at this point is actually how few people played / bought it. That might seem counter intuitive but it means a lot of the opinion around Marathon isn't solidified in terrible first hand experiences, but instead people just looking at word of mouth or media around Marathon. Bungie has an opportunity to change the story around the game but they have to be first and foremost focused on the people who didn't buy in to begin with and offering those people a reason to jump in. Marathon can't sit back and make micro tweaks to guns or shields and hope to hit the metrics they need. They need something that is going to break through public sentiment and make gamers see Marathon differently. I just don't see how Bungie accomplishes that without a radical pivot or massive content drop that they don't seem capable of delivering atm. They're bleeding out badly enough that I don't think they have the time to do any kind of slow change. EU is now peaking at less than 10k and the game is bottoming out at less than 3.5k at night.
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Angry_Megalodon
Member
I have been saying this for a while. Bungie can't be shut down without an earthquake, so they will quietly dismantle it by dividing it into pieces and then cancelling those separate projects.
It's a hard sell, anyway. Hermen should be fired once it's confirmed that Bungie is a dead end.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
9 pm completed hour CCU. Peaked reached at 11.5k around 10:30 pm, a new low by 100 CCU (done on Sunday)
All time peak was launch day 88.3k. Today's peak at 11.5k is -76.8k or -87%
Today vs yesterday: 11.5k vs 11.8k (-0.3k or -2.5%)
Yesterday's low 3.5k. If the rate holds, low tonight will be 3.4k
Tue vs Tue: 11.5k vs 13.4k (-1.9k or -14%). Much better than historic changes of -20%
Ratio method to estimate peaks and valleys
Mon-Thur 3.3:1. For example, a peak of 15k will have a low of 4.5k. For Fri/Sat, gamers stay up playing so the ratio is 2.5:1
Steam Rankings
Daily Active Users: 149
Global Top Sellers: 197
Weekly Top Sellers: Unknown. Not on top 100
Top Rated Games: 6,130 (83.74%)
All time peak was launch day 88.3k. Today's peak at 11.5k is -76.8k or -87%
Today vs yesterday: 11.5k vs 11.8k (-0.3k or -2.5%)
Yesterday's low 3.5k. If the rate holds, low tonight will be 3.4k
Tue vs Tue: 11.5k vs 13.4k (-1.9k or -14%). Much better than historic changes of -20%
Ratio method to estimate peaks and valleys
Mon-Thur 3.3:1. For example, a peak of 15k will have a low of 4.5k. For Fri/Sat, gamers stay up playing so the ratio is 2.5:1
Steam Rankings
Daily Active Users: 149
Global Top Sellers: 197
Weekly Top Sellers: Unknown. Not on top 100
Top Rated Games: 6,130 (83.74%)
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Timberwolf25
Member
Error?
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
LOL. Fixed. Fixed some other stats too.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Ya. I missed doing it. Took a nap after dinner and woke up super late so didn't bother. Lol
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Ignore this it updated
So we could see sub-10K next week with a 13-14% drop WoW. To me that's always been a hard line for a Hail Mary and then followed by an Old Yeller if it doesn't work. They don't have time to remake the game with PvE modes. S2 is do or die.
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FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Imagine doubling down on this fucking game.
falconhoof
Member
Another oof today. Well under 100k DAU now. What was Sony talking about strong retention?
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| Game | Date UTC | Coverage h | Avg CCU | Peak CCU | Player-hours | DAU range | DAU midpoint |
| Destiny 2 | Tue 2026-05-12 | 24.0 | 8,275 | 11,661 | 198,608 | 66,203-158,886 | 99,304 |
| Marathon | Tue 2026-05-12 | 24.0 | 7,159 | 11,798 | 171,815 | 57,272-137,452 | 85,908 |
Fess
Member
Should've had them make a new AAAA Halo with a different name. Minimum 10M sold.
WX3
Member
We can't be having that bud. There are people that sit and wait for your updates. Think about these people and the fate of their F5 keys next time you decide a nap is more important than this CCU thread. We will let it slide this time...
CrustyBritches
Gold Member
Modern Sony software division doesn't have a fuckin clue. They did this like 8 times. It's common to hear that they just fucked up less than Microsoft, but I don't even think it's that. They are literally running off fumes from the victory they had with the PS4 during the foundational years of people establishing their digital libraries.Imagine doubling down on this fucking game.
Can't wait for Hungry Gatherers and Fairgain$. This shit is epic beyond belief.
FoxMcChief
Gold Member
Sony is only killing it because Xbox committed suicide. The PS5's victory is really just a participation trophy.
GooseMan69
Member
Conflict NZ
Member
Day 2 of Destiny 2 beating Marathon's peak CCU.
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Thebonehead
Gold Member
That's akin to a hate fuck
Yep. Sony has never really had that MONSTER FPS multiplayer game that was exclusive for them. Killzone was dubbed the "Halo Killer" and it was anything but.
They should have just made a new Sci Fi game with a good campaign and multiplayer in the same style as a Halo game. Would have been HUGE.
Fess
Member
I mean just using Destiny would've worked fine. Destiny Saga or whatever. There is already a ton of lore to build a solid campaign on.
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cormack12
Gold Member
That's a really good comparison actually. I played (and liked) killzone's multiplayer but there was definitely a similar sentiment that people who didn't like it just didn't appreciate the brilliance of the game itself. In fact a closer parallel would be MAG on PS3
MayauMiao
Member
Blast
Hey now, let's not get carried away. It could be the usual weekely maintenance.
Conflict NZ
Member
BTW this is 7/9PM in Aus/NZ, the game is dead here during prime gaming hours.Blast
Bernardougf
Member
Everyone ran to buy ps5's counting on their games after good ps3/ps4 gens, there's their success right there.. top that with Xbox committing seppuku and this gen was a walk in the park...until now, high prices and low/bad first party output is making sales drop from a cliff.
But sony is so fcking lucky that GTA6 is basically a pseudo exclusive game and will make the ps5 sell again at least for a time.
Hope they get their shit together for next gen.
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