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[PeteBull]

Why that doesn't apply to Arc (same b2p model) or other GaaS?
Is Bungie/wokeism the problem?

I'm legit curious because I don't follow many influencers or media outlets besides gaf

Bungie to me had 2 choices that didnt lead to massive layoffs/studio closure after sony bought them.
1) Proper non woke destiny 3, targeted towards male hc audience.
2) New singleplayer Halo-like ip with blockbuster campaign, again not targetted to modern audience aka women but to men, aka paying customers, ones who buy games at launch, full price
Think of evolution of that e3 2007 halo3 gameplay trailer but obviously not x360 anymore, but ps5pr0 version looking roughly on pair with re9:


Anything else will have nasty shorterm and even nastier longterm consequences for whole devstudio

 

[vaibhavpisal]

Is the game bad? Just bought it on Series X.

Its great.

It has a bit of foreboding vibe. That might push away some players. Doesn't feel like game want you to spend 100s of hours playing.

Once you get over that, its a bit of a abusive relationship. Game doles out a bunch of punishment.

But its also addictive.

Kinda like From Soft games.

 

[Moses85]

3.6 plus another ~200-300 mil for Marathon

Dont forget:

Concord

 

[SmokSmog]

 

[Lucifers Beard]

Agreed. I love both HD2 and Arc Raiders, well worth my $40 each. I played some Marathon during the free server slam and I won't be buying it. Not because it's $40, I'm just not into competitive hardcore PvP focused games. Making Marathon F2P wouldn't change anything for me at all, I still wouldn't play it.

NOW, if they added a pure PvE mode to Marathon, or added the aggression based matchmaking Arc Raiders has to it, THEN I'd consider buying Marathon.

The price tag probably isn't why bombing, its probably the niche sweaty PvP gameplay.

Bang on. I didn't even play the sever slam because I knew it would be a sweat fest and I just don't have the time nor inclination to get good at those types of games anymore. Give me an arena shooter ala Halo 2 or 3 and I'll be there.

 

[PaintTinJr]

The game's price isn't such a big problem IMO, but it being locked behind PS+ online MP on PlayStation, or requiring turning over unfettered access to my PC with installing (a non-working) Kernel level anti-cheat program to get free MP on PC is a problem.

Product quality and gameplay loop are great from what I played in the server slam, and the game hasn't been ruined by MTX or DLC initiatives AFAIK., so if they just made PS+ online MP free I'd be keen to buy a copy and get in.

 

[ChorizoPicozo]

They literally can't. The better course of action is to extract money from the few poor souls that they got and call it a day

 

[neocycle]

They will probably put it on ps+.

 

[diffusionx]

reminder that Hulst cancelled like 6 live games and kept funding Marathon and Fairgame%

 

[Saber]

reminder that Hulst cancelled like 6 live games and kept funding Marathon and Fairgame%

He probably "forced" Bend and Bluepoint to make live service game projects as well, by only giving them incentives if their projects were GaaS related.

 

[Sybrix]

Bungie to me had 2 choices that didnt lead to massive layoffs/studio closure after sony bought them.
1) Proper non woke destiny 3, targeted towards male hc audience.
2) New singleplayer Halo-like ip with blockbuster campaign, again not targetted to modern audience aka women but to men, aka paying customers, ones who buy games at launch, full price
Think of evolution of that e3 2007 halo3 gameplay trailer but obviously not x360 anymore, but ps5pr0 version looking roughly on pair with re9:


Anything else will have nasty shorterm and even nastier longterm consequences for whole devstudio

The Bungie that made Halo isn't there anymore.

Think how much staff turn over that company and all gaming companies have had, it's the reason why we see BF6 as it is, people wanting to play a modern BF4 again but the DICE of BF4 isnt their anymore.