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Marijuana confirmed to make you lazy
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off duty ninja
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I've worked for 10 years at the same company working 40 hours per week. I do what I have to do to provide for my family. I have also realized how much further we could get as a society if we kept competition in the sports arena and somehow worked collaboratively rather than competitively in the workplace. There is enough in this world for everybody but greedy motherfuckers want us to believe otherwise.
I work my nuts off to provide basic needs for my family and it often isn't even enough. I also don't think we should support people who have no interest in doing their part. They should have to figure it out for themselves.
ok?
Lol... I bet 10 out of 10 times they also drink water a lot too.
karasu
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After this study scientist claim laziness is a sign of intelligence.
http://m.hpq.sagepub.com/content/21/8/1750.long
http://m.hpq.sagepub.com/content/21/8/1750.long
Audioboxer
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The only thing marijuana does is seem to produce some incredibly defensive people.
But hey in a world where people fight to the death over a videogame console of their choice it doesn't seem that strange that a pothead goes ape shit to defend marijuana if anyone does anything other than praise the shit out of it.
But hey in a world where people fight to the death over a videogame console of their choice it doesn't seem that strange that a pothead goes ape shit to defend marijuana if anyone does anything other than praise the shit out of it.
I am pro-legalization so calm down/smoke a blunt before responding
ajfoucault
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It is a drug after all. It's bound to have both negative and positive side effects. Laziness just happens to be one of the negative ones.
karasu
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In rats! I just think being high allowed the rats to feel their oneness with the universe and they don't wanna jump through no fucking hoops no more. Of course the masters reduced this to laziness when it was really an awakening.
I honestly think they're within their rights to get defensive, and to further your video game analogy it's not unlike gamers getting defensive when people label them anti-social, smelly, basement dwelling virgins. It's not nice being told that when it doesn't apply to you, same as it's not nice being told you're lazy, a waster or a drain on society when that doesn't apply to you.
ghostofsparta
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What type of strain did they give the rats? I've encountered some strains that make me very lazy/sleepy and some that make me want to clean the house.
BibiMaghoo
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What was in the task for the rat if it was chilling? Lazy science.
highrider
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This post is pretty reductive and stupid. Why discuss with people that use it if you've already made up your mind about it. Unless your just here to shit on people that use cannabis.
Audioboxer
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Cheers dudes lol.
Already made up my mind about it? Nah. I've made my mind up about "cannabis culture". That largely having nothing to do with weed itself, but the smokers of it as I mentioned above who are past the point of being normally defensive, but crazily defensive.
The actual drug itself, meh? I support legalisation and the science that it is pretty much harmless. I will however always say the issue for individuals is being an addict, whatever it is they are addicted to. The disease of addiction is usually what is negative and potentially life ruining, not always the drug itself. Unless we are talking crack cocaine or something!
Are you gonna respond to my point or was that too 'crazily defensive'?
cyborgnumberblue
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Audioboxer
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What, the basement dwelling nonsense? I'd like to think most gamers laugh that stereotype off these days. Many heavy weed smokers ironically seem to have a big issue ignoring baseless stereotypes and would rather wage huge arguments about "leaving weed alone!". That is what I'm jabbing at because I truly think weed culture is pretty mental at times. Not the drug, the smokers who treat is as a part of their life rather than simply a drug to enjoy!
It's not some 2edgy4u Tumblr culture, it's a simple drug that can be enjoyed.
I think most weed smokers can laugh them off too, but they're perfectly within their rights to say 'This doesn't apply to me' and giving examples why without being accused of being defensive.
InfiniteBento
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Audioboxer
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But if it doesn't apply to you, why would you feel the need to be defensive? There are plenty of parts of gaming culture to criticise, and largely most of us can get behind that now.
The issue here is the "culture" tag people associate with things that do not have to define you, they are merely a part of life to enjoy.
Yea, 4/5 times it helps me mute out the background noise and helps me focus. The other 1/5 times the weed I got is for the exact opposite of sitting down and focusing
Because people don't like being labelled lazy with no merit behind it?
This thread doesn't really have much (any?) of the '420 brah' bullshit in it anyway so I'm really not sure what your point is.
Audioboxer
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Who's labelling people lazy? Or I should rephrase that to I didn't, but I'm getting quoted to apparently make the point people aren't lazy?
The topic is about how rats were made lazy lol.
Maybe a topic about rats and weed wasn't the place for me to make my observation/post, but in all fairness I know it wouldn't of mattered where I criticised the extreme end of weed culture I'd still be quoted and told I was stupid or "not all smokers". I know that... I just have a pet peeve with the screamers who can't allow anything other than everyone to be 100% positive about a recreational drug that is suppose to be either to help medically, or have fun. That is all. I guess I just knew it would still happen in a topic about rats... because it doesn't matter where a comment is made about weed it is always taken personally by the extreme culture folks.
If it doesn't apply to all cannabis users, why paint them all with one brush?
Audioboxer
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First post I made
Also made it quite clearly I'm talking about the extreme ends of the culture spectrum.
So if I'm not talking about you guys who have quoted me directly, unless you want to admit you are the demographic I am talking about, why exactly are you piling on me? If it's just to defend the folks I think need to tone it down a bit they can argue for themselves.
Whatever the case I think I just proved my feelings, it's like setting off the bat signal if you criticise a specific part of what you think is the negative part of weed culture. Even people not part of it will be quick to tell you to stop it. Honestly guys, go have a smoke and chill! I promise I don't care as as I said above I don't even have an issue with the drug itself.
That's the stereotype, and a study that perpetuates that stereotype (even if in rats) will be used as ammo. In a effort to stop that stereotype, people who smoke and aren't lazy are saying as such, who then get accused by you of being defensive.
All I'm saying is people are well within their rights to put that out without the whole 'Man weed smokers get so defensive when you say it isn't 100% right on!'
Eh, I felt like the reaction to the study is way more reductive. Not every study has to be 100% pro use/legalization. Wait, let's forget about use and legalization, if you say anything that could be interpreted as "negative" in regards to pot, you are going to get swarmed. I am a regular user but people here acting like they are better than the average human because they have experienced some nirvana that "capitalists" haven't is absolutely hilarious.
GloriousBagel
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I work two times faster when I'm baked
Audioboxer
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People have a right to say whatever they want to me. I just don't think I'm the right tree to be barking up about laziness as largely I don't think outside of anecdotal evidence there is any conclusive scientific testing done on humans to support that narrative. Anecdotal evidence being yeah sure some people may turn lazy, but I largely support the idea that that is due to them losing themselves to addiction and potentially other issues in life (weed is simply the self medication to mask personal problems, so whatever the vice they use they'd become lazy anyway). Not the drug itself. Before anyone barks at me for saying addiction, get a hold of yourself, humans can be addicted to just about anything in negative ways. The actual item/drug/action doesn't inherently have to be addictive chemically.
What has me rolling my eyes is the thing I jibbed at. Attaching a culture to a drug and behaving in a way within that culture that is simply like a cult. As much as the lies around weed don't help, neither does some of the almost obsessive blowback everyone and anyone gets if they aren't in on the culture. You don't smoke it? Who are you to pass comment. You had a bad experience? Well I haven't so STFU. You prefer "other legal drug/vice"? Get a grip weed is safer/the best. That sort of shit. It is a recreational drug to be used and enjoyed and in some cases prescribed for medical reasons. It really shouldn't be something people have to give their lives to and defend like a cult. That just seems like an addiction in another sense.
killertofu
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Weed has helped me
-stop smoking cigarettes
-calm my mind after a long day of work
-sleep peacefully throughout the night without waking up
I'm already stressed 90 percent of the day. I never really smoked weed before but I can't wait until it's completely legal.
-stop smoking cigarettes
-calm my mind after a long day of work
-sleep peacefully throughout the night without waking up
I'm already stressed 90 percent of the day. I never really smoked weed before but I can't wait until it's completely legal.
But...ugh...*marginalised* (I really hate using that term in this context as we're talking about weed smokers not a persecuted race or something actually important, but it's late and it's all I have) do tend to get their backs up and form together when all they get is jabbed at.
I'm not defending the shitty culture at all but that tends to happen amongst people who are constantly called lazy, jobless, no ambition wasters. That's why they tend to pounce, because to people with jobs, degrees, relationships, ambitions who also happen to smoke weed that shit is genuinely offensive and gets really old, really fast.
Warm Machine
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You made me remember a military video done in the 60s where they gave soldiers PCP and told them to run the obstacle course. Of course they sucked at it but when they were interviewed directly afterward they said they thought they crushed it and felt great doing it.
Audioboxer
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I added a bit more to my post above. I would say that you've already agreed marginalised isn't really a great way to discuss weed, it's not exactly someones race/sexual orientation lol. However I will say until it is actually legalised everywhere I guess that word does have some backing. It is ridiculous one state can have it legal but others can't. So in that sense you could feel marginalized to be an American the same as your fellow Americans but you have a different rulebook thrown at you because you live a couple of hundred km from another American. (I'm a Brit so we don't have it legal at all, which I think is wrong, but our war on drugs overall isn't anywhere near as crazy as Americas. That aside I still support legalisation because I 100% believe as a drug it is less dangerous than alcohol, something we actually have an issue with in Britain. Alcohol abuse)
The culture I'm having a go at does seem to largely be tied to the young, and those that spend all day posting on Tumblr about being part of 'weed culture'. In one sense it is just teenagers being teenagers and wanting to be part of something. There is the occasional fully grown adult though that kicks off insanely over weed. Those people are some of the most obnoxious in a topic if it has even a whiff of someone not being as happy as they are about smoking all day everyday.
As someone going down a career in psychology and hoping to work within addictions if not primarily, even just in therapy, I just get ticked off that the culture I attack cannot in anyway accept that weed is on the table for human addiction just as other things are that are safe for 99% of people but become a negative for even just one person. I mean in a world where sex addiction is a real thing, and can be a real problem, why can't some accept others can and will get addicted on weed to the point where they cannot function properly unless they have their smoke? It's not always so much about the drug, but the person getting addicted having issues. Even when that is made clear the word "addiction" in the same sentence as weed, pardon my upcoming ridiculous internet speak, seems to trigger some smokers.
off duty ninja
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You can apply these same ridiculous arguments to anything people like.
Some people are able to use marijuana to control their depression and anxiety that prescription medications aren't able to. Most places that allow for medical marijuana use DON'T allow it for treatment of these conditions.
I have a father that thinks anybody who uses marijuana is completely worthless and a dreg of society. I get defensive because most people who are against it are completely ignorant to its actual effects.
I don't wear marijuana hats and take snapchats of me blowing out my bong hits. I do it in private and don't openly discuss it.
Although it may not seem as important to people as concealing their sexuality or things like that it is definitely painful hiding something that has a profoundly positive effect on your life.
We're more or less in agreement with each other, my only issue was your calling positive posts about weed defensive, when they're just offering an opposing view.
You'll never find me saying weed can't be a problem for some, I have too much experience of it and people smoking it to say something like that. But I also know lots of people, including myself, who use it with absolutely no detrimental effects at all. I can't speak for the culture because I'm not part of it, but part of it as probably as you said down to age. So I would say, don't let a young, vocal, annoying minority inform your opinion of smokers, just as I hope people don't let GG's, SWATING and harassment inform their opinion of people who play games.
Audioboxer
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You're not wrong, not at all. I guess though we just have to accept weed is a drug, and yes while a natural drug, from plants, not from some science experiment mixing car fuel with sherbet, it is still a drug. That will have the unfortunate association by people, incorrectly, that if it is a drug it has to be a waste of time and/or only used by wasters. Unless of course their Government approves it, and even then, stigmas and misinformation still spread through ignorance.
While that is wrong and naive, and we have to pressure governments and those spreading misinformation to accept facts/science, a drug is not something in the majority of cases a human being needs. As we are all biological beings it is also not something that can also universally affect absolutely everyone in the same way. You don't even need to accept the idea of addiction for there to be negatives for weed. Some people just get paranoia, heightened blood pressure and even if it's not discomforting sensations or feelings, they may just not like how it feels to be high.
'Cultures' when they fight what are good battles to stop misinformation also need to give leeway to criticism and negatives, because let us face it, very few things in life can be 100% positive at all times for everyone. Especially a drug. For the majority it is not something that needs to be taken, but is simply enjoyable and beneficial, and if it is for you no it doesn't really matter if it isn't for others. To deny the reality faced by others is just frustrating at times, more so because it can be hellishly difficult to actually see someone be able to share their bad experience with weed, or addiction, or whatever, because their experience has to be falsified or marginalized by certain individuals as I said above whom I feel take weed culture and defence of weed too far. I've seen it happen many times on GAF before, not just to be saying you need to go to some whack jobs Tumblr to see it.
It is my pet peeve though, and therefore my problem. All I guess I'd say is if I am working in one on one therapy at some point in the not too distant future and someone did tell me they needed help with weed addiction, I am not going to laugh their ass home and say you can't be addicted and/or being baked is the best thing about life. As I don't think any of you guys quoting me would, but yeah, there's definitely some folk out there who would, and do to forum posters who mention anything negative about their experiences.
I started this conversation with a bit of a drive-by, which was immature I guess, but hey look we've managed to turn it into a civilised debate so if anything I hope you lot can walk away realising while I might have different views I am not simply one of the folk on the other side of the fence who act like weed causes the world to fall apart. You could probably guess personally I'm not the biggest fan, it does, unfortunately, make me rather paranoid and unable to ironically, chill. I say unfortunately cause yeah, when it works well for someone it fucking works. Sadly to add to that a small part of the breakup of my most recent long-term relationship was associated with drug addiction. Not just weed though, unfortunately with someone abusing a lot more serious shit. I helped a lot with their addiction but sadly when things ended, or during the last stages of the relationship pre-ending, the person had gone back to drugs like they did before I came into their life. Serious addiction is brutal, when it is life wrecking. So yeah quite clearly I'm carrying baggage that isn't positive with my experiences. As I have said many times though, in nearly all cases the issues with addiction and abuse aren't all to do with the drug, but issues with the individual who merely uses the drug to mask their problems.
lifa-cobex
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*Marijuana confirmed to make you OK with being lazy
GloriousBagel
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I have two jobs, the second is a part time position as a dishwasher. It's really hot in the back and it's stressful because of the pace you have to work at ( I work in a buffet). I smoke a bowl during my break and it helps me relax and numbs me a bit.
I can't wait for Marijauna to become completely legal in California.
off duty ninja
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I won't dispute the negatives at all. I experience them myself at times. In fact I used to have terrible anxiety until it was made legal here in Oregon. Before that I was constantly paranoid about getting caught. Now that I don't have to worry about that I can easily dismiss that paranoia when it crops up.
I definitely don't think it is for everybody. What I hate though is this double standard that exists between alcohol and marijuana. You can walk into a liquor store and literally buy enough alcohol to kill yourself. This product is something most marijuana prohibitionists ardently defend (not the killing, just the product itself). Why is it that we don't lump alcohol in as a drug when it clearly is and in fact is much more dangerous than marijuana?
Audioboxer
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Yeah it is definitely screwed up where the drug that is scientifically 'worse' is legal. It's precisely the reason on merit alone, no matter if I'd never use weed again, I support legalisation.
I don't doubt there will be a day in many Western countries in the future where people look back at us and say they really had people fight this hard to keep weed illegal but alcohol was fair game?
On the medical front it is also quite sad a drug that has many benefits for people in need either can't be prescribed, or is prescribed with that person feeling shame and/or judgement. I mean most of us know how that feels if you have ever drank alcohol. You'd get a bit taken back if someone strongly against alcohol said you were an abusive drunk because you drank one glass of wine once a week! So yeah, I do get why individuals can feel pissed off at unfair judgements. It isn't nice. For the most part though your ire should be reserved to blast those nutbags, or just ignore them. I find it worrying where people who do have issues with addiction or coping with bad experiences get caught in the crossfire. A lot of said people are already vulnerable enough without mobs telling them to STFU and do "drug x" more like a pro.
90%+ of weed smokers aren't like that, it's just some of the most vocal nutbags on the culture side piss off many because in their lax attitude of everyone deserves to be blasted for criticising weed they target many vulnerable folks. As I opened up a bit about above maybe I'm just waging war with my life experience as I've seen some of the first hand side effects of addiction and drug abuse, even with what is arguably one of if not the most timid/safe drug. Weed. Humans are fucked up though, news at 11, someone is addicted to drinking coffee out of a shoe somewhere, and needs help... Such is life.
Extra Sauce
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If that was true the lab rats would have eaten themselves.
Hooligan69
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Not sure, as sometimes after getting super baked the night before, I'm rearing to go, and more clear-headed than normal. Other times, after not smoking the day/night before, I'm more normal, needing some tea or coffee to get me to that point.
What I do know is that it helps me organize my mind. At the end of the day, my head usually feels like a toppled file cabinet, files laying everywhere, and cannabis helps reorganize those files.
I don't think it makes me lazy, but more apt to take in the surroundings, noticing everything, and helping me realize there's no need to worry about what I have to do tomorrow, and to just chill. Though maybe that is laziness... who cares! Aren't we too busy as a society anyway? I think everybody should toke a bit now and then to slow the fuck down.
I find smoking makes me more productive. Not when I'm actually high; I get far too interested in television, documentaries, video games etc. to actually do anything. But I'm generally a pretty busy person, and weed is a nice way to wind down and switch off for a night, so then I feel ready to tackle the next day.
So yeah, I smoke very regularly but it doesn't stop me from busting my balls in the University, working a job, going the gym or doing anything I want to do. If you're naturally inclined towards laziness and complacency, then I guess I could see how weed might exacerbate it.
So yeah, I smoke very regularly but it doesn't stop me from busting my balls in the University, working a job, going the gym or doing anything I want to do. If you're naturally inclined towards laziness and complacency, then I guess I could see how weed might exacerbate it.
Ploid 3.0
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How can I get my employees to smoke in a scheme to increase production and get them to work longer without seeming like a evil person?
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