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Mario Kart 8 : new trailer
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no, not at all. that's how it's looking for me as well. as has been said probably a million times already
(edit: yep in the post right above mine haha)
they just got everything right. when developers talk about how they have to reach a balance between all of the individual elements to achieve their overall vision Mario Kart 8 looks to be the one that knocks it out of the park. everything is just working in tandem together to create some very stellar visuals and performance. the meshing of the lighting with the color palate, art style, and character models is probably doing it the most for me right now. I value things differently than your average poster, it seems, but yeah. that's where I'm at.
isn't it though? for a game to be impressive it has to impress someone. is that not entirely subjective? we can talk impressive tech in objective terms all day but that doesn't necessarily translate to "impressive" in terms of graphics. imo at least.
Anyone else think the actual trailer (and any instances of those close-up replay effects) isn't as good looking as the standard behind view?
My brother watched the trailer and he thought it received a downgrade in graphics, and yet actual gameplay footage looks like it has received a boost in performance...
My brother watched the trailer and he thought it received a downgrade in graphics, and yet actual gameplay footage looks like it has received a boost in performance...
The music is probably the only real highlight of the game imo.
They definitely dropped the ball with the graphics.
Shiny GCN models and some of the tracks have really low res textures.
On top of that you have all the cheap glitches, hackers and the poorly executed balance.
Was a really fun game overall but there were a lot of flaws.
Not75Drops
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Not sure if posted but GameXplain uploaded a discussion video which is almost 50 minutes now.
PotionBleue
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They really should try to condensate the points in a 5- or 10-minute video instead of doing this seemingly unprepared and boring 50-minute video, especially when a lot of information has already been talked about in their previous (also long) videos.
Captain Europe
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It would be possible... at 30fps and sub-HD, with framerate dips here and there, and probably low res shadows like the Sonic racing games.
Brainfreeze
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Oh, no doubt it was a flawed game, but I think it undeservedly gets shit on a lot. I've never heard anyone talk poorly about the art/graphics of that game before now. I still think that game looks good and will be totally playable in 10-20 years. It's all low res, but it's on the Wii and that's to be expected. Outside of that I really enjoyed it.
Rainbow Road in that game is bootiful.
BigEvilTurtle
Banned
It looks so good that I wish I was interested into playing the game.
Why aren't you? I'm curious. Mario Kart is a really fun time!
I'll say the graphics never annoyed me aside from their lack of hands occasionally lol. My main issues was character, kart/bike, and item balance and wonky physics at times.
Still a fun game.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
MK8 is running at 720p, isn't it?
I think Ps3 and Xbox360 would be capable of running the game at 60FPS.
Those machines are pretty powerful, much more powerful than one would expect after seeing some random multiplat releases, but if you take at look at the optimised, exclusive games you see the things these consoles can do.
What makes MK8 look so great is the amazing artstyle. While here are a lot of games which are technically more demanding than MK8, most of them just do not look as good MK8.
The perfect Dark
Banned
I don't think so.
What exclusive games? Most of them are 30 FPS (or less than 30 FPS)
dark_prinny
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Relaxed Muscle
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ShockingAlberto
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Then Forza Horizon reverted back to 30.
You're definitely underestimating programming skill in there. Programming skill is where getting that 60 fps comes from, not art style. It's hard for most western devs to get 60 fps when they don't have skill and piggy back on api's for engines they don't write.
Like most Nintendo games, it's not just art style. It looks great because they achieve a harmony and balance of hardware, programming skills, and art style.
Kissenkopf
Banned
And GT6 looks like this:
Yeah, we could show here some shoots from the photo mode but we should show stuff from the actual gameplay.
To be honest...I was kinda shocked how bland and bad GT6 looked (and why did they took out the 3D mode?!)
MK8 seems much more impressive with all the stuff whats going on and the fantastic lightning and animations.
1.21Gigawatts
Banned
The perfect Dark
Banned
And the visuals/ graphics of GT 6 are....mediocre? I don't know. It's definitely not a showpiece.
Not always.
Well of course it's entirely subjective. How could it be anything else? What does make it extraordinary is the fact that good art direction isn't exclusive to lower spec consoles. In fact the higher specs your machine has the more options you have with artstyle. That's why I think it's impressive that I like a Wii U game better than games on other more powerful platforms when it comes to looks.
Wouldn't call it "ugly"
Well not ugly but definitely not the game's strongest part either. I especially had in mind the water in 1st world's castle level. That I would call ugly.
western devs have a lack of programming skill, yeah... sure.
The reality of it is that often many western devs choose graphics over framerate, so we get prettier games rather than 60fps.
Mario kart 8 however has a great artistic direction that allows them to skimp out on the effects that many other games have, because their art style doesn't require them to look great.
I'm not trying to play down how great MK8 looks just going against your skill-less western devs mindset.
1.21Gigawatts
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Well, MK8 is never 1080p.
Point is that Ps3 and Xbox360 can produce nice graphics at 60FPS.
Ugly water in 3D World.... what
Oh man...3D World is such a beautiful game
Relaxed Muscle
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What?
No, they're not mediocre. Because it dosn't have colours like MK8 dosn't make it mediocre. You'll have a hard time finding a better looking racing game in PS3.
OG_Original Gamer
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What would keep that 60fps from being achievable is the lighting tech. At 30fps Nintendo may have gotten 1080p with the lighting.
Gran Tourismo 6 is so bland it's like how much more bland could this be?
TheRealTalker
Banned
hehhehehehehehehehe... hehehe sob sob
dark_prinny
Banned
It truly is.
OG_Original Gamer
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Not necessarily true, because even great art can't hide bad texture filtering, flat lighting, pop up, obscene clipping, poor animation, bad collision detection, and horrible A.I.
The perfect Dark
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Wow, Pre-order charts (Germany)
Source: gamefront.de
Source: gamefront.de
Tom Nook Sawyer
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They did, in their preview and analysis. Their discussions have always been a longer, podcast-like discussion where they casually talk about everything they saw
Seems like the trailer pushed some pre-orders
EDIT: http://www.amazon.de/gp/product/1659194031/
Yep. I don't know how often these charts are refreshed, but it's still hilarious that MK8 currently has more pre-orders per time interval than the other games have sales
not_so_special
Banned
The hardcore of hardcore Nintendo fan must be big there.
Wii U is more powerful, has more RAM and a more modern feature set. No, 360 and PS3 would not be able to run it with the same visual fidelity and performance. Not possible, for the exact same reason Wii U couldn't run Second Son.
Apophis2036
Banned
No hyperbole at all. Go and play Sonic Racing Transformed on 360. Sub HD, no Vsync, 30 fps tops which drops to the low 20's and the graphics esp the lighting pales in comparison to MK8.
MK8 wouldn't be possible on PS360 just like Shadow Fall, Second Son or Ryse wouldn't be possible on WiiU without massive sacrifices having to be made to almost every aspect of the game... get over it.
Bane of my existence.
One of the last happy memories I had my with my father. We were playing Mario kart together and he hit that special star and sped right outta my life
This article says 1080p/60fps, is it wrong?
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...rio-kart-8-retro-tracks-compared-to-originals
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2...rio-kart-8-retro-tracks-compared-to-originals
Solid Samus
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Bolded is just not grounded in reality, man.
Wii U isn't some powerhouse but in regards to this visual style the nearest comparable games on either system often ran at 30fps with dips, sometimes subnative to boot, with lighting that sure as hell didn't near this on those consoles.
And if you want to talk about optimized, exclusive games, bear in mind how differences in genre would allow developers to push consoles in different ways - though last generation that hardly ever meant anything close to 60 frames regardless of genre, and the vast majority of the games that were 60 frames on those consoles don't near this. GT6 and Forza 4 are damned beautiful games that hav benefitted from an entire generation of pretty hefty investement into their behind the scenes tech and understanding their respective platforms. in Forza 4's case flaws can be pointed out fairly easily from screen-grabs of 60fps gameplay (as opposed to replays) where texture filtering and geometry are concerned (and the environment lighting for tracks is almost entirely baked in) but I haven't really fucked around with GT6. I'd assume the same baked lighting approach but those guys are mad so who knows. I think you'd be able to somewhat approximate this games look on the older consoles but there'd be some concessions with the lighting, shaders, mapping/texture quality and texture filtering, etc.
Davey Cakes
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Reading through these multiple threads, the whole 1080p thing has come up a lot. I'm pretty sure at this point that it's all a misunderstanding. The game is 720p native at 60fps.
Don't know but it looks amaaazing.
I mean, look at stone-texture detail in the tunnel. <3