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[Macka]

Multiple people in this thread have argued for some kind of discount or incentive based on their "supporting" Nintendo or Nintendo needing to show consumer loyalty, which is definitely an argument based on a feeling of entitlement. So perhaps you should be reading the posts in this thread.

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I want to buy the game. But I already own 95% of it.

I don't feel entitled to a lower price. I'm saying that I'm not going to buy it at full price, and explaining why I feel a discount for Wii U owners would be a good idea, both in terms of sales for Nintendo and as a PR move. That is not entitlement.

About the bolded: Isn't the Wii U version's online still active? I don't get what you meaned by 'killed off early'.

I'm talking about the Wii U itself only having a four year life cycle, and having spotty support for most of those years. The Wii U was a disappointment, and who were the main people who actually bought one? Nintendo diehards, right? Who do you think most of the early adopters of the Nintendo Switch are? Nintendo diehards, right? I think there's a good chance there's a lot of crossover here, which is why it seems a good business move.

 

[atr0cious]

They absolutely do owe Wii U owners. Imagine just how much further submerged in sewage their financials would have been without the relatively few whose purchases at least threw that ill-conceived, overpriced slab of woefully underpowered tech a half-inflated life preserver.

You got a free game at launch for mk8, if you missed that, then you had no affect on their financials, they owe you nothing. And I bought mk8 and the dlc 3 times.

 

[TS-08]

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I want to buy the game. But I already own 95% of it.

I don't feel entitled to a lower price. I'm saying that I'm not going to buy it at full price, and explaining why I feel a discount for Wii U owners would be a good idea, both in terms of sales for Nintendo and as a PR move. That is not entitlement.

It's not an entitlement to you, but it is to many posters in here, including one who posted after me literally saying Wii U owners are owed something. This is contrary to your assertion otherwise so I responded to that. What aren't you getting?

 

[OrbitalBeard]

They absolutely do owe Wii U owners. Imagine just how much further submerged in sewage their financials would have been without the relatively few whose purchases at least threw that ill-conceived, overpriced slab of woefully underpowered tech a half-inflated life preserver.

I basically hated my Wii U.

Nintendo doesn't owe me a damn thing.

 

[atr0cious]

Nintendo diehards, right? Who do you think most of the early adopters of the Nintendo Switch are? Nintendo diehards, right?

This line of thinking in this thread makes no sense, when the main complaints are that the switch's offering of portability on the go isn't an incentive to upgrade. Then why the fuck would they have a switch, especially if they are the hardcore, meaning they're aware of the upcoming line up and what they offer? Willing to bet many wii u owners sat out, especially since Zelda did make it to the wii u; I know I did.

 

[Macka]

It's not an entitlement to you, but it is to many posters in here, including one who posted after me literally saying Wii U owners are owed something. This is contrary to your assertion otherwise so I responded to that. What aren't you getting?

Uhh...what? Am I somehow responsible for what other people post in this thread now? You said I was acting entitled. I'm explaining why that isn't the case. Somebody making a different claim in the thread has nothing to do with my argument.

 

[Skyzard]

It's not an entitlement to you, but it is to many posters in here, including one who posted after me literally saying Wii U owners are owed something. This is contrary to your assertion otherwise so I responded to that. What aren't you getting?

There's always going to be a vocal minority willing to defend poor customer loyalty.

 

[atr0cious]

There's always going to be a vocal minority willing to defend poor customer loyalty.

You are the vocal minority.

 

[kitchenmotors]

There's always going to be a vocal minority willing to defend poor customer loyalty.

But you're the minority.

lol

 

[Skyzard]

If you say so.

 

[TS-08]

Uhh...what? Am I somehow responsible for what other people post in this thread now? You said I was acting entitled. I'm explaining why that isn't the case. Somebody making a different claim in the thread has nothing to do with my argument.

Someone rightly pointed out that people complaining about discounts were being entitled, you accused him of not reading the posts in here, but there are plenty of posts that back him up. You also collectively referred to those who owned MK8 as "us." So yes, you took responsibility for other posts in here. When did I say you specifically were acting entitled? I was referring to the multiple before before (and now since) that post who explicitly voiced their opinion about what Nintendo owed them for "supporting" them through the Wii U.

 

[LordKano]

Pro tip : people who complains on the internet are always the minority.

 

[kitchenmotors]

If you say so.

Look, I've played MK8 Deluxe. I feel it's worth the price, it adds a lot to the base game with DLC included and it's portable. If this vocal minority is defending bad business practices, so be it. But nothing Nintendo is doing is out of reach from other industries.

You just want a discount because you don't want to buy the game twice, which is fine. Then don't. It's still Mario Kart at the end of the day. Enjoy your Wii U version.

 

[Skyzard]

I've played it too.

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Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy. They should get a heads-up when the fail to offer things to customers other companies have done.

 

[ViviOggi]

They fixed the frame pacing at last...

 

[Robin64]

They fixed the frame pacing at last...

You have no idea how much this affected my decision to purchase the game again. Every time I play the Wii U one, I see the issue, and it hurts and stings.

 

[LordKano]

I've played it too.

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Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy. They should get a heads-up when the fail to offer things to customers other companies have done.

lol

 

[atr0cious]

Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy.

Please tell me they earned this image during the NES and SNES days so I can rely feel the irony. Folks have been bitching about Nintendo "nickel and diming" since they added extra buttons to the NES controller.

 

[Gotdatmoney]

I dont think the few million people that own a Switch are rattled MK8 didnt get a digital discount or WiiU DLC.

 

[kitchenmotors]

I've played it too.

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Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy. They should get a heads-up when the fail to offer things to customers other companies have done.

Nintendo may be doing many things but dropping the ball on brand image is not one of them.

The Nintendo brand has never been stronger and the Switch has amplified that. I know quite a few friends who have bought one that never owned a Wii U, and come next Friday, Mario Kart is going to be the game of choice.

 

[Devil]

Since it's being sort of lost in here, I'd like someone to tell me if the demand for Wii U DLC including the missing Deluxe content for a fair price of about $15-20 is also seen as entitlement. What is wrong about asking for an option to throw money at them when many other publishers have also released their DLC for last gen versions?


Let's ignore the possibility of a reduced price for a Switch upgrade, since that seems to complicate the matter a little. I just feel misjudged right now for the sole reason that I feel like Nintendo isn't offering me a fair and easy way to get the missing 10% of content. I own a Switch, I don't demand an upgrade to a better version, I think $60 is a great price for what they're offering. That's not why I'm disappointed, though.

 

[TS-08]

I've played it too.

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Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy. They should get a heads-up when the fail to offer things to customers other companies have done.

You're being a way too melodramatic. Nintendo's repuation will be unscathed due to MK8D and the game itself will sell by the truckloads. I just don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Bronetta]

Nintendo may be doing many things but dropping the ball on brand image is not one of them.

The Nintendo brand has never been stronger and the Switch has amplified that. I know quite a few friends who have bought one that never owned a Wii U, and come next Friday, Mario Kart is going to be the game of choice.

The Nintendo brand was stronger during the DS/Wii era. 150+ million and 100+ million sold respectively.

 

[Skyzard]

Since it's being sort of lost in here, I'd like someone to tell me if the demand for Wii U DLC including the missing Deluxe content for a fair price of about $15-20 is also seen as entitlement. What is wrong about asking for an option to throw money at them when many other publishers have also released their DLC for last gen versions?


Let's ignore the possibility of a reduced price for a Switch upgrade, since that seems to complicate the matter a little. I just feel misjudged right now for the sole reason that I feel like Nintendo isn't offering me a fair and easy way to get the missing 10% of content. I own a Switch, I don't demand an upgrade to a better version, I think $60 is a great price for what they're offering. That's not why I'm disappointed, though.

Yes, it is. The sentiment by those posters has been repeatedly stated as:

If you want battle mode you should buy a Switch and the game. Nintendo owes you nothing, despite the console being dropped after only 4 years.

 

[Future]

GAF cheapskates always crack me up

All companies make you pay for their ports. With the DLC and battle mode updates, $60 is much less than the previous asking price. If you bought it already then you are paying the early adopter tax. All gamers know you'll save if you wait and get better deals with game of the year editions that typically include DLC and what not. You decide what you want to purchase right away and decide for yourself if you want to wait for deluxe editions... just like with movies and hell most purchases of anything ever.

People are yelling at clouds

 

[marc^o^]

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I want to buy the game. But I already own 95% of it.

That's not even right. Gameplay changes they made affect 100% of previous content.

New boost is a new gameplay mechanic. In a game where movement is reduced to moving left, right and drifting, this news drift changes a lot. It makes the whole game more technical and rewarding for good players.

The other gameplay tweak is the dual object, which agains must change a lot of things, notably in defense.

Then there are the 8 battle mode courses, playable in 5 different game modes.
That's only discussing content and gameplay. Neither do you own the convenience to play it on go, with any friend at any time, or in the same room in LAN with other friends in 60FPS no matter how many you are (the best Mario Kart moments will come from this).

 

[pinkurocket]

I owned it on Wii U but fried my external HD and lost all saves so, you know, I don't even feel bad rebuying it because I gave up on the Wii U version long ago.

 

[MikeHaggar]

Wow, this thread is crazy. And scary. Owners of Mario Kart 8 on Wii U shouldn't be entitled to a discount on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. What world do people live in?

 

[kitchenmotors]

The Nintendo brand was stronger during the DS/Wii era. 150+ million and 100+ million sold respectively.

In terms of consoles sold, sure. But I think brand awareness is a different thing entirely and the way Nintendo markets themselves now is more modern. The Wii buzz was a bit shallow but they're settling themselves up now to be more of a gaming lifestyle brand, which is coming through to long term goals, like the Universal Parks deal.

 

[Nikana]

I don't get this thread. They aren't taking MK8 away from you. Play it there?

Would it be cool if they have you an incentive to upgrade? Sure. But they don't have to.

They gave away a game with the purchase of MK8 already.

 

[TS-08]

Since it's being sort of lost in here, I'd like someone to tell me if the demand for Wii U DLC including the missing Deluxe content for a fair price of about $15-20 is also seen as entitlement. What is wrong about asking for an option to throw money at them when many other publishers have also released their DLC for last gen versions?


Let's ignore the possibility of a reduced price for a Switch upgrade, since that seems to complicate the matter a little. I just feel misjudged right now for the sole reason that I feel like Nintendo isn't offering me a fair and easy way to get the missing 10% of content. I own a Switch, I don't demand an upgrade to a better version, I think $60 is a great price for what they're offering. That's not why I'm disappointed, though.

I don't know that anyone in here has said or will say you are wrong or entitled for hoping for something like that. I think most of the pushback in this thread is from people making "I don't know how much you know about customer loyalty but I'm an expert" posts. And if I have given an impression otherwise in this thread, I'll disclaim it now.

But as to your solution, it'd be nice, but there's no way it is happening. So I'm just not sure there is much to discuss about it.

 

[atr0cious]

Wow, this thread is crazy. And scary. Owners of Mario Kart 8 on Wii U shouldn't be entitled to a discount on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. What world do people live in?

I'm now imaging a gaf thread about mario tennis 64 that keeps devolving into virtual boy owners bitching about having to buy another system just to be able to play without incessant headaches. "Only thing it adds is color and the ability to sit, greedy Nintendo."

 

[Bronetta]

In terms of consoles sold, sure. But I think brand awareness is a different thing entirely and the way Nintendo markets themselves now is more modern. The Wii buzz was a bit shallow but they're settling themselves up now to be more of a gaming lifestyle brand, which is coming through to long term goals, like the Universal Parks deal.

I disagree completely. The Wii was a household name, the Switch isn't (still a little early for direct comparisons)

 

[killroy87]

I don't get this thread. They aren't taking MK8 away from you. Play it there?

Would it be cool if they have you an incentive to upgrade? Sure. But they don't have to.

They gave away a game with the purchase of MK8 already.

I think I've realized that only half the people complaining want an upgrade discount. The other half complaining want the Battle Mode DLC in the Wii U version (which is only slightly less insane).

 

[fabricated backlash]

Wow, this thread is crazy. And scary. Owners of Mario Kart 8 on Wii U shouldn't be entitled to a discount on Mario Kart 8 Deluxe. What world do people live in?

Why would they be entitled? Seriously, in what world do you live? Guess I need to sue Sony to give me a discount on The Last of Us or Uncharted 3.

 

[Bronetta]

I think I've realized that only half the people complaining want an upgrade discount. The other half complaining want the Battle Mode DLC in the Wii U version (which is only slightly less insane).

Take out Battle Mode and give a discount. I couldn't care less about battle mode.

 

[Devil]

I don't know that anyone in here has said or will say you are wrong or entitled for hoping for something like that. I think most of the pushback in this thread is from people making "I don't know how much you know about customer loyalty but I'm an expert" posts. And if I have an impression otherwise in this thread, I'll disclaim it now.

But as to your solution, it'd be nice, but there's no way it is happening. So I'm just not sure there is much to discuss about it.

I feel like a lot has been mixed up in here, though. While people were discussing about customer loyalty, others who were just asking for an option to buy the additional content even without all the technical benefits of a Switch upgrade, were also thrown into the bag of people who were allegedly not fine with the MSRP or felt forced to buy a new system (which is bullshit). It didn't help that some people were clearly not reading what was currently talked about and made generalized, dismissive statements about "entitled" posters.

I don't see Wii U DLC happening either, but I don't see how it is not worth bringing up if I feel let down by the fact that Nintendo didn't even consider it an option.

 

[Macka]

Why would they be entitled? Seriously, in what world do you live? Guess I need to sue Sony to give me a discount on The Last of Us or Uncharted 3.

Haha. Sony did. Last of Us was $50 and the Nathan Drake Collection was three entire games remastered for the price of one.

lol

 

[Solid SOAP]

Additionally, it includes the DLC, new battle mode and extra characters- An $80 value for $60. Yeah, it's a 3 year old game, but so what?

I don't see how questioning the price is a thing.

Because Nintendo are one of the only companies who keep their games priced high years after their release. Sony are constantly offering deals and incentives to buy their games and consoles that Nintendo would never do. Their high prices and limited releases do more to benefit scalpers than consumers, easily.

I don't understand the defense force for this stuff.

 

[PadWarrior]

Tell me how good the switch pro controller feels with this game. I know it must feel awesome.

 

[fabricated backlash]

Haha. Sony did. Last of Us was $50 and the Nathan Drake Collection was three entire games remastered for the price of one.

lol

50 doesn't really register as a discount when I got the former game for 55 just a few months before.

And that discount was for everyone, not just previous owners.

 

[Orniletter]

I've played it too.

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Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy. They should get a heads-up when the fail to offer things to customers other companies have done.

The same way Sony's brand image was tarnished when Gravity Rush and Tearaway got PS4 versions and they didn't offer discounts for existing owners either ?

Isn't there another Switch thread for you to post some PC to Vita remote-play gifs instead ?

 

[blame space]

Oh my God I can't wait to play Mario kart 8 again

 

[ShockingAlberto]

I've played it too.

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Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy. They should get a heads-up when the fail to offer things to customers other companies have done.

Nintendo, apologize publicly!!

 

[Bronetta]

Haha. Sony did. Last of Us was $50 and the Nathan Drake Collection was three entire games remastered for the price of one.

lol

Look at how much the PS3 Last of Us and Uncharted games are going for versus Mario Kart 8 on Wii U.

MK8 is $50 without the DLC, you can buy all 4 of those combined for less than MK8.

 

[atr0cious]

I don't understand the defense force for this stuff.

There's no defense force. MK8 is a completegame, it has a ton of tracks and characters to choose from, along with a decent battle mode available for $70-80 right now. The switch version is that and more for $60, you are already receiving a discount. Saying Nintendo should do more to generate good will(said in this thread) just seems like you're​ couching childish tendencies behind loaded rhetoric.

We can debate their MSRP practices, but that's a whole other issue.

 

[Snkfanatic]

I've played it too.

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Nintendo are dropping the ball hard with their brand image as being fair and trustworthy. They should get a heads-up when the fail to offer things to customers other companies have done.

They are? News to me.

Haha. Sony did. Last of Us was $50 and the Nathan Drake Collection was three entire games remastered for the price of one.

lol

Haha. These are awful examples

lol

 

[OrbitalBeard]

Haha. Sony did. Last of Us was $50 and the Nathan Drake Collection was three entire games remastered for the price of one.

lol

The Nathan Drake Collection was actually missing a pretty large chunk of content: all co-op and multiplayer modes in UC2 and UC3. So, I'd say $60 was about the right price for it.

These games were also selling for around $20 individually when these remasters launched, so all in all, it's just not all that great of a comparison.

 

[C.Olimar788]

I just wish they had added new courses and more new characters. I would have double dipped without hesitation if they had a new Splatoon race track, even at the steep pricetag.

 

[Piccoro]

I don't agree that vanilla MK8 users should get a discount, but I would like it if MK8 got updated on the Wii U with some QoL updates from Deluxe, like the steering assist or the character select while waiting for the race to begin. I don't see any reason that the Wii U version can't have that.

And they should also try to implement online cross-play between Wii U and Switch. Some PS4 games have cross-play with PS3, like Skullgirls and Guilty Gear Xrd.