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How did Steve Jobs change the world?
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I'm not a massive Apple fan, but seriously?
ArtHands
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It'll be good if we put it in a better perspective
Some people seem to have a grudge against Apple/Jobs. Ok an example (even though I'm sure everyone questioning how Jobs changed the world knows what I mean). Before iPhone and iPad everyone was sitting behind their desktop, now we all do everything on the move.
Saved the cheerleader.
SlipperyFishes
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Reads like a random collection of words.
Just because people don't agree, doesn't mean they have a grudge. However "Changing the world" is a fantastic claim that many people see differently.
dragonelite
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All he did was have a more social vision on gaming.
And put out a sub par in specs box(after 8 years come on). From most of the reveal iphone are usually highest specced mobiles maybe i don't remember so not sure im a apple hater.
All cerny did was play it save. If the ps4 had something like a i5 level cpu and a 2.5 Tflops gpu for under $499. I would have said dam he knows gaming, that box will be fine for the coming 5 years. Now i think it will impress till year 2, then medium or run of the mill pc will shoot past it.
It is just that microsoft vision suck exponentially more then sony vision of gaming or entertainment. And as a gamer you have only those two to compare. And if sony bends over for EA all sony really has is a higher specced machine then microsoft.
This is my feel for next gen console. Bless the person who made this gif.
And put out a sub par in specs box(after 8 years come on). From most of the reveal iphone are usually highest specced mobiles maybe i don't remember so not sure im a apple hater.
All cerny did was play it save. If the ps4 had something like a i5 level cpu and a 2.5 Tflops gpu for under $499. I would have said dam he knows gaming, that box will be fine for the coming 5 years. Now i think it will impress till year 2, then medium or run of the mill pc will shoot past it.
It is just that microsoft vision suck exponentially more then sony vision of gaming or entertainment. And as a gamer you have only those two to compare. And if sony bends over for EA all sony really has is a higher specced machine then microsoft.
This is my feel for next gen console. Bless the person who made this gif.
GitarooMan
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This may be the most ridiculous and hyperbolic suggestion of the month on GAF, and that is really saying something.
seventynine
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The competition to it includes Microsoft's Orwellian nightmare box, Nintendo's latest eccentricity and the PC space - which requires buying into Microsoft's OS monopoly to be of any use. So the jubilation seems fitting, to me at least.
To answer the OP. No not really. Most of the praise he's getting is all in good fun anyway.
That's true.
I watched the PS4 reveal this morning for the first time. I found him very coherent and passionate about the message he wanted to deliver. When sort of you replace Ken Kuturagi you know your mission is to bring something new and different (that's an error some people do when they take over a position is to duplicate the same thing, at a strategic position when you fill in the position means the company is looking for another options).
He is charismatic on stage. His vision is clear... That's what you need when you work under a lead of a department. It's a good sign...
He is charismatic on stage. His vision is clear... That's what you need when you work under a lead of a department. It's a good sign...
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Yep, seriously. Changing the world is a pretty big statement. Making products in already established "genres" that becomes very popular is an impressive feature, but how is it world changing?
People have different opinion about what 'changing the world' means though. Asking about that doesnt mean that i (or anyone else) have a grudge against Apple or Steve Jobs. Not to discredit Apple or Steve Jobs, but i'm pretty sure there woud be a natural evolution within the cellphone industry even without Apple. We already saw big changes from the first cellphones up to when Apple came with the iPhone for example. Phones had organizers etc. before the iPhone, it was also possible to send and recieve mail, and i think this would just evolve and get more and more common. That doesnt mean that what Apple did had a bigger impact on how things evolved though, maybe touchscreens would have been less common. But i mostly wanted to ask regarding the 'changing the world' statement, that was all
I think that Apple made the tablet popular however, i'll give them a lot of credit for that. iPod and iPhone were additions to already well estrablished things (portable music players and cellphones), but they did give influence on these things as well, so i'll give them credit for that as well, but i dont think it is exactly world changing.
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EDIT: Double post.
Days like these...
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If the powers that be at Sony decided this guy would be the chosen one, the face of the new sony that 'gets it', the face of the ps 4. Why didnt they clean him up a little? He always looks unkempt, dishelved almost dirty.
Schweinehund
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No, not really.
Cerny is lacking the charisma that Jobs had as a salesman. Jobs also wasn't very involved on the technical side like Cerny is.
Cerny is lacking the charisma that Jobs had as a salesman. Jobs also wasn't very involved on the technical side like Cerny is.
Maybe Cerny is more Sony's Miyamoto than Steve Jobs. Cerny sorta has that George Lucas flannel look.
Not to take away from his accomplishes(with the iPhone/iPad), they were great! But if it wasn't Steve Jobs, it would have been someone else IMO, it was inevitable. Just a matter of time. I mean an iPhone/ipad is basically a computer in your hand. That's not really something groundbreaking in itself, because it's an obvious next step. But of course it's still a big achievement. His push for selling personal computers was more world changing I think.
But really I don't know THAT much, so take what I say with a pinch of salt.
Nikola Tesla, now that man truly changed the world in a huge way.
Captain Tuttle
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This is exactly the right answer. PS4 is actually a very conservative design
Nicely done.
Seriously. Before PS4 reveal I'd never even heard of Mark Cerny. Now I'm being told he's equivalent to one of the most influential businessmen of the past 40 years and should be considered to be on the same level of gaming importance as Miyamoto and Wright. No. He designed a few good games and has put together a good games console.
Marble Madness was a really great game though. Hah.
I don't get this downplaying of Jobs. Granted I work in IT so I'm more familiar with his contributions going back to the 1970s, but FFS guys.
Steve Jobs put a friendly face on personal computers, MP3 players, cell phones, and tablets. Because of him we aren't still sitting around with a bunch of crappy half baked Microsoft and Sony-esque versions of those products. I'm convinced Windows 8 is so awful because Microsoft ran out of things to steal from Apple.
Jobs' contributions to the world and the way we work and play are some of the most important in the last 200 years.
Mark Cerny represents the last gasp of a dying and borderline irrelevant company.
Vicetrailia
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Sony as a company is way smarter after the PS3, it's not just 1 guy.
I think you can probably argue against downplaying Steve Jobs' impact without saying something this crazy.
djplaeskool
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Mark Cerny has played a pivotal role in multiple important and influential products in the video gaming sphere...but c'mon people. A Jobs analog? Really? Really?
Winterfang
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We don't even know how the PS4 looks like.
Surely not in better. I hate to see all those people going crazy for a touch screen, it's too much.
lol
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How did Jobs maybe change the way people communicate?
Not to do the comparison to Steve Jobs, but regardiong Mark Cerny, he has been in the gaming industry since the late 70s. He has done more than one presentation.
That is why i was wondering what 'changed the world' was referring to
If it was the use of touch screen or something similar (LG came out with a touch screen phone just before iPhone for that matter).ThoughtsOfSpeaking
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Steve Jobs was a charismatic sales man
Cerny is a veteran of the industry given his first big hardware break.
Cerny is a veteran of the industry given his first big hardware break.
I'm a videogamer could sound like bizzare, but seriously see a child use a smartphone indeed to play in a garden it's depressive, not constructive for the human society. If I have to thanks Job for this well....
I'm sure this thread isnt the result of his prior efforts
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While the pictures are true to some extend, i'm not going to give Steve Jobs the sole credits for that. Its not like cellphones were something unknown before iPhone came to the market. A lot of communications were going on through phones a long time before iPhone came to the market.
Cell phones had existed a long time before 2005, but there's one in the top picture. A particular product hit the scene in 2007 that might be able to explain why the second picture is so different, though.
[edit]I should clarify. I think you can make the argument that Steve Jobs had an influence on the way people communicate by pushing the iPhone, that is to say, changed it. But clearly change is something that can happen by degrees. It's not like he invented the second printing press, or even the second internet.
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Wolfgunblood Garopa
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CernyCon 2013
Keynote speech by Cerny
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Keynote speech by Cerny
Special guest: Cerny
Special panel "how to do things that are good" with Cerny
Cerny basket with fries $5.00
Raffle tickets $10.00 for a chance to behold Cerny
I'm going to assume you weren't around to see the early Mac days. It is completely impossible to overstate Jobs' contributions to popular computing.
Well, you shouldn't. There were also other people at Apple involved the creation of the iPhone (which changed the way we communicate): Jonathan Ive, Scott Forstall, and Tony Fadell, off the top of my head.