fluffydelusions
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Looks like that UE4 shot was taken through a potatoe
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Mark Rein: "PS4 is like a really perfect gaming PC"
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Looks like that UE4 shot was taken through a potatoe
Unregistered007
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AstroNut325
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I only did a brief search. Epic has clean shots of the new reel (at least I think it's the new reel) but they're pretty low res:
evil solrac v3.0
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funny, 15 years ago someone playing a game on a browser wasn't considered a gamer, just someone killing time between classes or work. those goal posts keep moving...
I bought Medal of Honor Warfighter(?) for 5 bucks. cheaper than renting. (I can't play the damn thing because I get horrible motion sickness from it but that's the fault of my brain and not anyone else) software is cheaper on PC. much cheaper to own and has backwards compatibility reaching many years.
evil solrac v3.0
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it's a good representation. i'm sure the numbers are similar for GOG, gamersgate, Amazon, etc.
That is one fail of a post.
Steam is a huge portion of the gaming PC userbase and that is the only thing that matters.
The majority of GPUs listed on the steam survey are faster than the Consoles and plus the fact that the number of gamers online at anyone time with Steam are as high as the total number of Vitas sold....
JohnnySasaki86
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"Worlds best PC".
I think a lot of people are giving this comparison to much weight when using it do gauge PS4. I'm sure were gonna look back at this 3-4 years from now and laugh.
This demo was made on unfinished hardware specs, we don't even know if it accounts for the 8gb of GGDR5 RAM in the PS4. More importantly it was done in a matter of months. I'm sure with much more optimizations and time, the PS4 version could look almost identical to the PC shot. Obviously they didn't have the benefit of much time when creating this. IF anything this demo should be a demonstration of how quickly they could get something up and running on PS4 and UE4, and have it look as close as it does. This is the real take away IMO.
No, but they represent a large portion of Epic's target audience on the PC.
Sure you can play farmville on a tablet or x86 netbook, but these people aren't your target audience for UE4 games on the PC.
Most cheap laptops now seem to come with enough RAM for x64.
Looking at it wrong. 100% of ps4 will support it so dev can target it. You cannot on PC because you cost yourself sales.
There is a reason almost all games are 32 bit....
PC owners, no. PC gamers, I'd say it's a very good representation, unless you want to consider people who only play browser / flash games as PC gamers too. Which is laughable.
Oublieux
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I don't know, the definition of a gamer, in general, has expanded. People who play browser/flash games are still gamers. They're just casual gamers, but a core gamer? No.
Still a bit shock that how much pc gamers just troll the next gen console threads.
I see nothing but great things it means as a pc gamers. Should be getting a lot more ports that take advantage of our powerful hardware.
Move from 32 bit to 64 bit...take advantage of 32 GB ram!
Move to new next gen engines.
Move to DX11 support.
Guys your epenis is safe.
These new console are like a steambox....
I see nothing but great things it means as a pc gamers. Should be getting a lot more ports that take advantage of our powerful hardware.
Move from 32 bit to 64 bit...take advantage of 32 GB ram!
Move to new next gen engines.
Move to DX11 support.
Guys your epenis is safe.
These new console are like a steambox....
Phire Phox
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What about Origin, GFWL, GOGs? And people who buy physical PC games.
ClovingWestbrook
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Not even close. Xbox will still most likely charge for online play and won't have nearly the type of sales. PS4 won't have the type of sales either.
Next gen consoles are simply that, next gen closed video game consoles. No need to throw in the 'Steambox' comparison.
These are the same audience, these things aren't mutually exclusive.
We are worried because the lowest common denominator from the offset is so incredibly low. Last time, the 360/PS3 were well ahead of their time, this time they are going to be behind middle-range GPUs.
I am excited for the similar architectures and more PC ports, though this is already happening because of the market explosion in recent years.
So steambox = sales?
wtf, i was talking about its hardware. Of course it not steam.
Really?!
Compare to the ps360 these things are super computers. Not really but you get the point. Sure didnt held back pc gaming. Crysis 3 looks amazing and run on PS360! Think about that for a second.
ClovingWestbrook
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Steambox = much more than sales, obviously. The key is being open. The Steambox will be multiple 'boxes'.
If you were talking about the hardware, what is the point? It's a next gen console, that is all. It's not a PC. It's not a Steambox. It's a next gen closed video game console. Nothing more.
And you better believe the ps360 held back PC games. Crysis 2 in no way compares to Crysis 1. Crysis 2 and 3 look like shit on consoles compared to the PC and even then the PC versions were held back. BF3 on consoles look like crap. Tomb Raider on consoles look like crap compared to the PC. Bioshock Inifinite textures on all platforms are simply unacceptable, thanks to the PS360 versions being built as well.
but it's probably SHITTY RAM, we call it Warsaw Ghetto RAM in the hood
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
And the majority of games you are playing are 32bit, so you're not seeing much of the 32GB use in games at the moment.
This is anecdotal evidence but I do not know of a single gamer who has Origin but not Steam. Everyone I know of, myself included, use Steam as their primary platform and use Origin for the games that cannot be found on Steam thanks to EA (Battlefield 3, Crysis 3, etc).
As for GFWL, very few games use GFWL, and no PC gamer would have only GFWL as it is almost universally despised. And again, the person who is playing GFWL games such as Gears of War or Batman: Arkham City also has Steam. And those are the only two games I can think of off the top of my head that require GFWL.
As for GOG, every GOG thread I see has people asking if the games can be activated on Steam.
Again, this is all speculation on my part, but since people in this thread want to throw out the Steam hardware survey data, speculation is all I can offer.
Rajack
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PS4 to bring PC gaming out of the ghetto confirmed!
I'm being a smartass here. I use this PC for image rendering and video encoding.And the majority of games you are playing are 32bit, so you're not seeing much of the 32GB use in games at the moment.
Wow that a lot of hyperbole.... None of those games look like crap.
You really give PC gamers a bad name.
I think you are a little short-sighted on this.
PS3/360 were very ahead of their time when they were released. It took a year and a half or two years for higher-end GPUs to catch up.
Crysis 3 runs at 1024x720 at 25 fps on PS3 source
Just to run the game at 1080p and 60 fps on PC that is already a 7x power difference. That doesn't include things like high quality textures, FOV, AA, AF, AO, Tesselation, etc.
The PS4/720 may seem like super computers, but their power is very low compared to comparable cards in today's systems.
And a complete joke comparing performance on the processor level.
The gap will unfortunately be much larger this gen than last, and developers won't be able to push the visual bar as far.
They really do, the IQ of games like Crysis 3, Halo 4, Last of Us, and Uncharted is actually very poor.
PC vs PS4, hmmmmm
I'll hold for at least 1 more year with my rig to see how it performs with next gen games, if it doesn't cut it, I'll upgrade my PC, if I see I can keep it for 1 or 2 more years, I'll get a PS4 instead and we'll all be happy forever.
Even if PS4's hardware was complete garbage compared to a high end PC, that doesn't make some of the games that don't come to the PC bad games. I don't want to stay the whole generation without my Naughty Dog games and godlike PSN games just because I can have better graphics and performance on PC. I also don't wanna miss on my delicious 60fps and glorious independent PC games just because I want to defend the PS4 or whatever. My most anticipated game right now is The Iconoclasts, and we can go back a few generations and the consoles at that time would still be able to run it.
It's all about the games C:
I'll hold for at least 1 more year with my rig to see how it performs with next gen games, if it doesn't cut it, I'll upgrade my PC, if I see I can keep it for 1 or 2 more years, I'll get a PS4 instead and we'll all be happy forever.
Even if PS4's hardware was complete garbage compared to a high end PC, that doesn't make some of the games that don't come to the PC bad games. I don't want to stay the whole generation without my Naughty Dog games and godlike PSN games just because I can have better graphics and performance on PC. I also don't wanna miss on my delicious 60fps and glorious independent PC games just because I want to defend the PS4 or whatever. My most anticipated game right now is The Iconoclasts, and we can go back a few generations and the consoles at that time would still be able to run it.
It's all about the games C:
ClovingWestbrook
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Pretty much.
PaulExcellent
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This dude needs to get locked in a box for like a week, think about what he is saying, then come out.
Justzisguyukno
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And the majority of games you are playing are 32bit, so you're not seeing much of the 32GB use in games at the moment.
I always found this quite annoying, having so much POWER available, but games and software just not using it.
ClovingWestbrook
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When the 360/PS3 first came out it put out visuals on many games that superseded what the PC could do at the time. As time went on the PS3/360 aged and the PC began to put out much more impressive visuals of the same games. You can't look at the PS3 BF3 version and then the PC version and not see a significant difference in fps, effects, resolution, and more. The same goes with Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, COD, and many other multiplatform games.
This go around the PC has many videocards that are significantly more powerful than what the 720/PS4 will most likely include. The PC can already put out games that will be more impressive than what these two will be able to do for multiplatform games. That is what concerns many of us.
When a PC suffers during a generation when consoles began with more powerful specs how much will the PC games suffer in a gen where consoles begin with less powerful specs.
Thats a myth.
Console have NEVER been more powerful than a pc you can build. I been a PC gamer for a long time. Both ps360 used a single gpu. SLi and crossfire was the norm for high end PC. We didnt have $1000 gpu like they do today. $500 was the high end. A single 8800gtx would outperform the ps3 and it launched before the ps3 did...
My sli 7800 gtx walk all over these consoles. I built that PC when the xbox 360 launched.
Funny the only thing PS3 look to be ahead of cpu and look how that worked out...
IQ is not crap... People forget when you play these games on console you dont sit 2 ft from the display. I sit 10ft from 50" hdtv. IQ is fine for that. Comparing apples to oranges.
Spoken like someone that wasnt playing games on pc when the ps360 launch.
Man I love the PS4 and whatever MS has: 64bit x86 (x86-64) architecture, Similar APIs, 8GB of GDDR5.
Damn just because of console PC gaming is going to get so good in 2014. Nvidia will no doubt release Maxwell 20nm in 2014 which will have unified memory access which all the GPU to also tap into main memory (DDR3/DDR4), ARM CPU with Maxwell GPU for more independence from main CPU, Broadwell 14nm, DDR4 will be out and about with 2.1ghz on the low end with capabilites of having 16GB per stick, DirectX Blue, GDDR6 or XDR2 (hoping they push for this with the new archs from NV and AMD to make cards more tempting than consoles)
Hopefully... 2560x1440p monitors will be out terabyte SSDs will be cheap and hopefully my wife will let buy all of this... which she did promise that she will pay for half as a gift for my B-Day. Hopefully she doesn't choose to forget this.
Damn 2014 needs to get here NOW!!!
Damn just because of console PC gaming is going to get so good in 2014. Nvidia will no doubt release Maxwell 20nm in 2014 which will have unified memory access which all the GPU to also tap into main memory (DDR3/DDR4), ARM CPU with Maxwell GPU for more independence from main CPU, Broadwell 14nm, DDR4 will be out and about with 2.1ghz on the low end with capabilites of having 16GB per stick, DirectX Blue, GDDR6 or XDR2 (hoping they push for this with the new archs from NV and AMD to make cards more tempting than consoles)
Hopefully... 2560x1440p monitors will be out terabyte SSDs will be cheap and hopefully my wife will let buy all of this... which she did promise that she will pay for half as a gift for my B-Day. Hopefully she doesn't choose to forget this.
Damn 2014 needs to get here NOW!!!
ClovingWestbrook
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You arguing that IQ on consoles isn't crap makes me wonder what consoles you have been playing the last 6-7 years.
I played BF3 on the PS3 and then played it on my PC. Night AND day.
I played Tomb Raider on my wife's PS3 and then played it on my PC. NIGHT and day.
I played Skyrim on my PC and then played it on my PC. NIGHT AND DAY.
Also, I plan on buying a PS4 day one because I am very excited for the console. I bought a Wii U day one and don't regret it. I loved my PS3.
But at the end of the day these machines are simply not able to do what the PC is, don't offer the same type of options, customization, sales,
potential. It's the difference between an open and closed platform.
TheGreyHulk
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They also downgraded it on PC. It wasn't just consoles that got the downgrade, but nobody really pays attention to the fact it was dropped from UE4 entirely... that includes PC.
It's simply too demanding @ the moment for mainstream use. Only high end GPU's can make use of it and that's a very small segment of the overall market. They were hoping to force Sony/MS into pushing for larger GPU which would have brought it mainstream, but it was wishful thinking on their part.
64 bit and x86(32 bit) are mutually exclusive. Its either one or the other.
At the conference it was announced the PS4 was x86 architecture, which is how it is comonly referred to.
Later, they announced it would be specifically x64 so I can see where the confusion lies.
I'm probably going to get a PS4 as well. Sony has quite a compelling library on the PS3 and I hope they port it forward to the PS4 so I can experience them.
Clear
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It seems to me that some people are unable to see that a developers perspective on what constitutes "perfection", might not be the same as a power-user's.
The whole point of a console is that its a one-size-fits-all solution, not the be-all and end-all in terms of performance. The specificity of the console is part of its appeal from a development standpoint, as you have a clearly defined target to get the best results from.
The whole point of a console is that its a one-size-fits-all solution, not the be-all and end-all in terms of performance. The specificity of the console is part of its appeal from a development standpoint, as you have a clearly defined target to get the best results from.
I think Steam's hardware stats are going to sway more towards the hardcore crowd. Believe it or not, it's not installed on every single PC.
Thanks. I've seen videos of both and GOW just looks better than the UE4 demo and that's on ancient hardware with 512 MB of RAM, though definitely lower resolution than UE4.
Justzisguyukno
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nm.
TheGreyHulk
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this x 1,000,000
from a developers viewpoint, the ps4 is a solid piece of hardware. x86-64 cpu, modern gpu that is has plenty of power f/ 1080p in comparison to the average gpu of today, lots of fast ram. it's a great base to develop for and it will benefit the PC as well because you have a solid low bar base that's easily > the average pc base found right now. As a console + PC gamer, i'm thrilled ESPECIALLY for the PC side of things because ports will be easy to come by and they'll be easy to do and they'll scale up f/ pc w/o having to re-do everything to work on a pc architecture because they're extremely similar
Osiris
I permanently banned my 6 year old daughter from using the PS4 for mistakenly sending grief reports as it's too hard to watch or talk to her
Have you seen those games running on consoles? "Running" is almost too strong word in some cases. Crysis 3 is a blurry, sub HD 25 FPS mess on PS360, but console gamers love to parade it around as if it's some sort of technical achievement. And no, playing it on a large HDTV that you're sitting several feet away from does not save the IQ in the slightest. Same with Far Cry 3.
Is this a joke?
RibbedHero
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Maybe some people are more sensitive than others, but compare this to the screenshots in the High-res thread and tell me they don't look poor. Especially coming from Naughty Dog, who we all know are amazing at extracting the most out of a system.
The Last of Us direct capture:
yeah, i will say no to that... 64bit cpu's can do 32bit as well and I dont think there was x86 made in past 6-7 years that was not 32bit.
however, when it comes to software, you need to have 64bit Windows and specific 64bit software... most games are 32bit so they can support maximum amount of computers... despite Even steam's 25% 32bit is a lot and i think in general population, there is a lot more of WinXP still floating around.
In any case, this is ridicilous thread, as Mark was positive about PC and PS4... he said nothing bad about PCs, not sure why people are going beserk.