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Marriage Equality passed in Vermont! Love Unites!

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So, if Iowa was any indication, we're just a short time awau from some "family values" fuckwad venting at a press conference.
 
pj325is said:
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Holy shit, is this a t-shirt?
 
So, does anybody know what will happen from here on Vermont's side? I know Iowa won't even have the opportunity to revote on SSM until 2012, same deal with VT?
 
Trakdown said:
So, does anybody know what will happen from here on Vermont's side? I know Iowa won't even have the opportunity to revote on SSM until 2012, same deal with VT?
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This wasn't done through the courts, and Vermont had civil unions previously, so I'm thinking this is pretty safe. There will be an effort on behalf of the right to get something done, but they would effectively have to get the public to remove the majority of the existing elected officials (or pass an amendment - which I don't see happening). I mean, this had enough votes to overrule a veto.

Edit - Also, I think a celebratory thread title change is in order. :D
 
And a little bonus piece of news:

Council Votes to Accept Other States' Gay Marriages
The D.C. Council has voted to recognize gay marriages performed in other states on the same day that Vermont became the fourth state to legalize same-sex unions.

Domestic partnerships already are legal in the nation's capital, and gay couples married in other states are recognized as domestic partners when they move the city. But today's legislation, billed as an important milestone in gay rights, explicitly recognizes them as married couples.

The initial vote was 12-0. The unanimous vote sets the stage for future debate on legalizing gay marriage in the District -- and a clash with Congress, which approves the city's laws under Home Rule. The council is expected to take a final vote on the legislation next month.
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http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dc/2009/04/council_votes_to_accept_other.html?hpid=topnews
 
No, they haven't suffered enough. Push the knife closer to the heart. I'd like to hear them cry and bitch and moan until the very end when all 50 states accept gay marriage.

...though it seems like it will be an uphill challenge in Florida due to that retarded amendment passed last November. =/
 
JavyOO7 said:
No, they haven't suffered enough. Push the knife closer to the heart. I'd like to hear them cry and bitch and moan until the very end when all 50 states accept gay marriage.

...though it seems like it will be an uphill challenge in Florida due to that retarded amendment passed last November. =/
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At some point when every other state has accepted equal marriage, Floriday will be forced to acquiesce. Whether from internal pressure or the fact that couples are getting married in neighbouring states and then Florida being forced into recognising them.

It's going to be a long hard fight, but I'm hoping that the next generation will be as puzzled at the kafuffle going on now as our generation (generally) is at "WHITES ONLY" signs.
 
Will Gaborn acknowledge that this at least might somewhat undermine his repeated pre-election assertion that civil unions are an impediment to full marriage equality?

On another note, this past week has confirmed beyond any reasonable doubt that both sides in the Prop 8 fight were completely wrong about any long-term national ramifications of that amendment's passage. Thank god.
 
I think it's going to get to a point where enough states will have it legalized that Congress will just say "fuck it" and legalize it everywhere.
 
Aaron Strife said:
I think it's going to get to a point where enough states will have it legalized that Congress will just say "fuck it" and legalize it everywhere.
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I can't imagine Congress, rather than SCOTUS, forcing Alabama to legalize SSM. But hey, I suppose things could change.
 
I have no idea how gay marriage will eventually pass in some of the hardcore bible belt states, so I think once enough states accept (come on NY!), the federal government should step in and do the rest.
 
Dragona Akehi said:
At some point when every other state has accepted equal marriage, Floriday will be forced to acquiesce. Whether from internal pressure or the fact that couples are getting married in neighbouring states and then Florida being forced into recognising them.

It's going to be a long hard fight, but I'm hoping that the next generation will be as puzzled at the kafuffle going on now as our generation (generally) is at "WHITES ONLY" signs.
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I like to think that, for the most part, our generation is already puzzled at the kafuffle going on now, but that sadly it's old white men who make the laws.

Again, not all of our generation. But I tend to think for the most part, our generation thinks it's silly or just doesn't care either way.
 
Love To Love You Baby said:
Yes, believe it or not, Mercury Fred is gay ...
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Oh fuck, I've been outed!

I was trying to resist the freeper reaction, but it's too delicious. Check out this gem:

crazy freeper said:
I await the volcanoes, the tsunamis, the hurricanes and hopefully, the destruction of Vt and its pacifist secular socialism by the Lord.... Since VT doesnÂ’t seem to believe in the Biblical God or His standards, perhaps a nice lesson in humility would be a nice taste of GodÂ’s wrath.
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:lol :lol :lol
 
Mercury Fred said:
Oh fuck, I've been outed!

I was trying to resist the freeper reaction, but it's too delicious. Check out this gem:


:lol :lol :lol
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yeah, we all know that Massachusetts is just a wasteland

seriously, what :lol

Marvie_3 said:
Congrats Vermont! Hopefully more states start doing this and the naysayers can move onto their next moral crusade.
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New Hampshire should be next.
 
I'm surprised there seems to be so much moving so fast. I don't want to become euphoric too soon, but a little celebration is at place.

*yay* :)
 
Father_Brain said:
Will Gaborn acknowledge that this at least might somewhat undermine his repeated pre-election assertion that civil unions are an impediment to full marriage equality?
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I'm not sure how that follows. The Vermont ruling that introduced civil unions was in 1999. It took nearly ten years to get full marriage equality in the state; during which other (arguably less progressive/awesome) states got full marriage equality. It's entirely possible that without civil unions to lean on it might've happened earlier.
 
Not A Fur said:
I'm not sure how that follows. The Vermont ruling that introduced civil unions was in 1999. It took nearly ten years to get full marriage equality in the state; during which other (arguably less progressive/awesome) states got full marriage equality. It's entirely possible that without civil unions to lean on it might've happened earlier.
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On the other hand, Connecticut had civil unions in 2005 and marriage in 2008. Vermont also got same-sex marriage through the legislative process, which is why it took longer.
 
Not A Fur said:
I'm not sure how that follows. The Vermont ruling that introduced civil unions was in 1999. It took nearly ten years to get full marriage equality in the state; during which other (arguably less progressive/awesome) states got full marriage equality. It's entirely possible that without civil unions to lean on it might've happened earlier.
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Couldn't you just as easily argue that Goodridge might not have happened if Baker v. Vermont hadn't gotten the ball rolling? That probably wouldn't be true, of course, but you can play that counterfactual game all you want.

The fact is, Gaborn has made a point of asserting that establishing civil unions as a parallel, equivalent system to marriage may, in the long term, convince straight allies that gays already have equal rights and that full marriage equality isn't necessary. The events in CT and VT don't necessarily disprove that, but they seem to undermine his claim at the very least. It's looking like NJ will also legalize SSM in the not-too-distant future, which doesn't do much to help his case.
 
AWESOME! :D Go Vermont!

Bummer that it won't happen in Ohio anytime soon
prove me wrong!
, but I'm happy that we're finally starting to make progress around the country.
 
Father_Brain said:
Couldn't you just as easily argue that Goodridge might not have happened if Baker v. Vermont hadn't gotten the ball rolling? That probably wouldn't be true, of course, but you can play that counterfactual game all you want.
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That's true enough, I wasn't attempting to make a claim either way. I personally don't think that anything can stop marriage equality, only delay it. I think it's entirely possible that civil union legislation can introduce a delay; but on the timescales we're talking about, it's essentially meaningless. Political change is incremental, I'm happy as long as it's going in the right direction.
 
Add DC to the list as they voted unanimously to fully recognize out of state same sex marriages today.

Keep those dominoes falling!
 
krypt0nian said:
Add DC to the list as they voted unanimously to fully recognize out of state same sex marriages today.

Keep those dominoes falling!
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Well, they have to vote once more next month before it's finalized, but yeah. If gay marriage is recognized in the nation's capitol, that's a pretty damn major sign.
 
Not A Fur said:
That's true enough, I wasn't attempting to make a claim either way. I personally don't think that anything can stop marriage equality, only delay it. I think it's entirely possible that civil union legislation can introduce a delay; but on the timescales we're talking about, it's essentially meaningless. Political change is incremental, I'm happy as long as it's going in the right direction.
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That's all reasonable. However, Gaborn's argument against civil unions was that their proponents might be successful at establishing an enduring separate-but-equal system, which would halt (not merely delay) the push for SSM on the grounds that "gays already have equal rights." All the cases thus far, on the state level, suggest that this isn't happening.
 
This pertains to Iowa, and I posted in the PoliGAF thread, but I wanted to get it in here as well since Vermont and Iowa happened so close together. Also, it's awesome.

This is the Iowa Senate majority leader speaking on the Senate floor. He was responding to a request from a Republican Senator to co-sponsor an amendment to the state constitution to ban gay marriage as a way to overturn the Supreme Court decision. Without his support, it goes nowhere. It's going nowhere.

His response is only two minutes long. It's worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2s2R5qKhbo
 
GhaleonEB said:
This pertains to Iowa, and I posted in the PoliGAF thread, but I wanted to get it in here as well since Vermont and Iowa happened so close together. Also, it's awesome.

This is the Iowa Senate majority leader speaking on the Senate floor. He was responding to a request from a Republican Senator to co-sponsor an amendment to the state constitution to ban gay marriage as a way to overturn the Supreme Court decision. Without his support, it goes nowhere. It's going nowhere.

His response is only two minutes long. It's worth watching.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2s2R5qKhbo
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Wow that was really amazing to hear. Very powerful.
 
reggieandTFE said:
I know gay marriage will happen eventually, but activists need to stay on the front lines. The abolition of slavery does not happen within John Brown, Frederick Douglass and Harriet Tubman.
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I'm sorry but comparing gay rights to the struggle for equal rights for dark skin people/ ending slavery is like comparing a jackass to a thoroughbred horse. A gay white person can walking into any establishment and be treated like a human being a black person could not. black can't hide there skin color therefore they were not treated equally. how many homosexuals were used as slaves just because of their lifestyle?

this post is not directed at you reggie&tfe. its just when I read your post it angered me at how liberally blind this world is becoming.
 
TGateKeeper said:
I'm sorry but comparing gay rights to the struggle for equal rights for dark skin people/ ending slavery is like comparing a jackass to a thoroughbred horse. A gay white person can walking into any establishment and be treated like a human being a black person could not. black can't hide there skin color therefore they were not treated equally. how many homosexuals were used as slaves just because of their lifestyle?

this post is not directed at you reggie&tfe. its just when I read your post it angered me at how liberally blind this world is becoming.
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People referring to the struggle for equal rights don't want to minimize the horrors black people went through in the past. The only comparison made is that there's discrimination against a large group of people for being who they are, and that hopefully the this discrimination will once end.


Also, you were on the mark by saying that gay people can hide their sexuality. Just imagine the history of homosexuals if our sexuality was written on our faces. :/
 
TGateKeeper said:
I'm sorry but comparing gay rights to the struggle for equal rights for dark skin people/ ending slavery is like comparing a jackass to a thoroughbred horse. A gay white person can walking into any establishment and be treated like a human being a black person could not. black can't hide there skin color therefore they were not treated equally. how many homosexuals were used as slaves just because of their lifestyle?

this post is not directed at you reggie&tfe. its just when I read your post it angered me at how liberally blind this world is becoming.
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My struggle is more important than your struugle, huh?

How very tedious and petty of you.

Civil rights struggles are ALL valid, important and equivalent.

Civil rights struggles are the mirror to which humanity is held up to.
 
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