Lights and Waves
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That's a really tacky thing to say.
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Marvel EU: 10 years. 21 films. No Oscar, not #ICONIC. Why?
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That's a really tacky thing to say.
Principate
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They were right though, or at least the Academy agrees.
XiaNaphryz
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Iron Man was definitely worthy of being a VFX finalist, even if Benjamin Button was the clear winner. IM2 alongside HP7 P1 were worthy runner-ups to Inception. But technically speaking, I don't think Inception was "on another plane" entirely.
Avengers wasn't beating Life of Pi, but IMO was clearly above the other finalists that year.
I thought IM3 was a step down from the previous IM films, and the rest of the field that year wasn't great in comparison, Gravity wasn't going to lose that one.
Winter Soldier and Guardians had stiff competition with Interstellar and Dawn of the Planet of the Apes, but I wouldn't say they weren't Oscar-worthy finalists or that far below them either.
The VFX category is an interesting one for the Oscars. It starts with a list of around 20 nominees which are narrowed down to a list of 10 by the VFX branch Executive Committee.
These 10 then advance to the annual "bakeoff" where each film's visual effects team prepares a presentation showcasing the work done: how the shots are composed and built, new tools or workflows that were created to support shot creation, the engineering/development challenges encountered and overcome, etc. Each team only gets a couple minutes beforehand to give your overview, 10 minutes to display footage (usually a mix of in-progress shots and their final renders), then a few minutes of Q&A afterwards. The annual bakeoff is something all voting members of the Academy's VFX branch attends, and after all the presentations they vote to narrow down the list to the finalists.
At that point the voting is open to the entire Academy voter membership and all the various politics and other nonsense that could entail (insert conspiracy theory here of how many times ILM misses yet another Oscar because of past animosity towards Lucas and his stance on guilds). The rest of the Academy usually don't see any of the stuff presented in the bakeoff. This is how you get into those spots where something like Golden Compass beats out Transformers for the VFX Oscar.
Tacky and false.
His performance was amazing and he deserved an Oscar for it.
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Lord Virgin
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You people are damaged beyond repair.
Also, who gives a shit. Suicide Squad is shit. Most Marvel movies are shit. Oscars are shit. So ehhhh.
Regulus Tera
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It was a publicity stunt for the Oscars and I say it as someone who enjoyed the Dark Knight. Movie would nothave even been nominated had that elephant not gotten into the room.
Dude, what the fuck?
Oscars minus Razzies = Marvel wins.
TenCentCoast
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You aren't wrong, but you come across as an asshole and personally offended by someone thinking that a Marvel film could win an Oscar. Jesus.
This is silly. His performance transcended the fact that he died.
Back-In-Black
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Nah. What exactly was special about it? It has nothing on the creativity of Inception.
We got a short backwards time fight and then some brief nonsense in a CGI purple-green world, big whoop. And, the time stuff wasn't even setup properly so it just seems random.
This I will agree on, though arguing he wouldn't have won had he not died is silly giving that we can never know.
Lights and Waves
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His death was a publicity stunt orchestrated so that The Dark Knight would win? Please log off.
Not Spaceghost
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The only awards these movies would ever deserve are visual effects or make up and costumes.
Their soundtracks have basically become standard fair by how over played their style is.
The writing is fairly poor or average at best
Acting is all over, for every actor that gives a stellar performance there are like 5 others that might as well be voiced by microsoft sam.
I suspect the reason why the VFX / SFX never win anything at the academy awards is because the color balancing and generally weak cinematography really dampens how actually striking or good some of the CG is. Despite the fact that you can't tell that the iron man suits are CG or how awesome the spell effects are in dr strange the movies are dressed up so blandly that all those cool effects go from top of the line to kinda average looking.
Jungle book crushed dr strange in my opinion because the whole movie just looked beautiful all the time. Dr Strange only looked good like 15% of the time.
Their soundtracks have basically become standard fair by how over played their style is.
The writing is fairly poor or average at best
Acting is all over, for every actor that gives a stellar performance there are like 5 others that might as well be voiced by microsoft sam.
I suspect the reason why the VFX / SFX never win anything at the academy awards is because the color balancing and generally weak cinematography really dampens how actually striking or good some of the CG is. Despite the fact that you can't tell that the iron man suits are CG or how awesome the spell effects are in dr strange the movies are dressed up so blandly that all those cool effects go from top of the line to kinda average looking.
Jungle book crushed dr strange in my opinion because the whole movie just looked beautiful all the time. Dr Strange only looked good like 15% of the time.
SillyEskimo
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Who needs awards when you have billions in revenue and legions of diehard fans?
boiled goose
good with gravy
They need to up their game in certain areas.
Acting has been good by some, but roles and performances still not Oscar level.
Special effects have not been super impressive. Movies generally look ok, but many have been largely green room movies.
Music has been a weakness.
On editing, cinematography, sound mixing, they have been at times good, but never unique or interesting enough to be great.
If they want Oscars, this is what I would recommend:
Up your game in special effects, makeup, production design (less green rooms).
Up your game in sound mixing and sound design. Hire the very best and make sure movies are sound showcases.
Definitely up your game in soundtracks. The avengers theme is the only kinda iconic them, and I can't even remember it.
Try to do some interesting and more artsy things with editing and cinematography. Really use the language of film to help tell these stories. Right now the main style has been to recreate "the comic book look". (I also think this is why sound and music has not been a hallmark, yet look at what Shore did with Lotr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7BkmF8CJpQ this is why Lotr is spectacular in a way the MCU isn't, but could have been) . Want Oscar worthy editing, cinematography, directing? Let your crew put themselves on the film.
Acting, screenplay, and best picture are going to be hard categories. The MCU has transcended the single movie arc, so one movie won't be able to really bring it home in these categories I think.
I say all these things as a big fan of the MCU.
Acting has been good by some, but roles and performances still not Oscar level.
Special effects have not been super impressive. Movies generally look ok, but many have been largely green room movies.
Music has been a weakness.
On editing, cinematography, sound mixing, they have been at times good, but never unique or interesting enough to be great.
If they want Oscars, this is what I would recommend:
Up your game in special effects, makeup, production design (less green rooms).
Up your game in sound mixing and sound design. Hire the very best and make sure movies are sound showcases.
Definitely up your game in soundtracks. The avengers theme is the only kinda iconic them, and I can't even remember it.
Try to do some interesting and more artsy things with editing and cinematography. Really use the language of film to help tell these stories. Right now the main style has been to recreate "the comic book look". (I also think this is why sound and music has not been a hallmark, yet look at what Shore did with Lotr https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7BkmF8CJpQ this is why Lotr is spectacular in a way the MCU isn't, but could have been) . Want Oscar worthy editing, cinematography, directing? Let your crew put themselves on the film.
Acting, screenplay, and best picture are going to be hard categories. The MCU has transcended the single movie arc, so one movie won't be able to really bring it home in these categories I think.
I say all these things as a big fan of the MCU.
My man.
DarkJediKnight
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I think Robert Downey should have been nominated for his role at Tony Stark in the 1st Iron Man. And in fact he should have been nominated again as best supporting for Civil War.
He owns that role.
He owns that role.
Back-In-Black
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I'll agree with you for the first Iron Man. I can't remember the supporting cast list the year CW came out so I don't know if I can agree about that one.
broncobuster
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Maybe you should read what you wrote out loud to hear how silly it sounds.
gutter_trash
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as much as a like the MCU movies, I recognize that they are essentially infomercials leading up to another infomercial for the next infomercial
MCU movies are super commercial and derp lets not kid ourselves considering them to be artsy. the MCU movies also play it really safe
MCU movies are super commercial and derp lets not kid ourselves considering them to be artsy. the MCU movies also play it really safe
It is possible to have both, not mutually exclusive
I'm sure if a list was compiled, neither of those performances would be in RDJ's top ten, let alone either years top ten performances.
Just_myles
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I don't mind. They fulfill their role. The movies are great and respectful to the source material(very important).
TDK won stuff (Ledgers performance, I think)because they took a gamble imo that paid off. Now that they continue to do this and it is not paying off.
TDK won stuff (Ledgers performance, I think)because they took a gamble imo that paid off. Now that they continue to do this and it is not paying off.
I mean... it was 2016. So it would be the supporting cast list from last night...
I don't want to get involved in this but that's not what he's saying. His death obviously wasn't the publicity stunt, the oscars giving that award to an actor with a high-profile death was the stunt.
According to him, of course, not me.
If anything, it's comic book fans in general that make this way too much of a bigger deal than it really is. From what I've noticed, t's like there's this constant need for them to validate their interests in the realm of higher or broader ranged art such as cinema. Which is odd because the comic book/graphic novel medium can be just as much of poignant, significant place in certain occasions.
Yup. Chris Evans really isn't crossing his fingers for an oscar when he's putting on that silly costume for yet another Avengers film. They're clearly not going for that audience with these things.
They're big, dumb, loud, and they make a ton of money. There's nothing wrong with any of those things, and there's nothing wrong with enjoying it. But they're little more than theme park rides. Again, totally fine, bit it is what it is.
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Clearly MCU are jack of all trades and master of none whereas SS, was recognised for it's truly outstanding feature. Iconic Harley Quinn hair and make up, Damaged Joker and Croc
jombag
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I'm sure the people who worked on film would like to have one.
This reminds me of this Michael Rappaport rant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOTbyOVfkbQ
Back-In-Black
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LOL. You're right, then RDJ definitely did not deserve a nod this year. Too many other more deserving performances.
Hey, I posted that first here.
jombag
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Regarding Ledger and his posthumous Oscar. I'm torn on the topic because on the one hand I do feel that his death did give the push for his Oscar nomination and win more fuel. But on the other hand maybe he did straight up deserve it because Ledger's acting in Dark Knight was so good it masked the fact that Dark Knight's 3rd act is pretty ass.
WaffleTaco
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Ledger totally deserved it, he made the movie for everyone. There's a reason almost everyone will say The Dark Knight is the best superhero film, it's because he's that good in it.
Even still, I think his death played some factor into that Oscar because historically the Oscars will let comic book movies win every little makeup and special effects award they want but wont let them ever get near one of their "bigger" showcase awards. Ledger was great but a superhero movie getting any kind of acting nomination, let alone a win, was pretty uncharted territory. That being said, Ledger was pretty amazing in the movie and no sane person would say otherwise. I guess my point is that Ledger could have been that good and his death could have still played a factor - WhyNotBoth.gif
Batman Begins was better though
ReplacementPelican
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Damn, I guess when you decided before a movie releases that you loved it and stuck with that even though it was almost universally disliked and ended up petty awful you just grab onto whatever you can.I don't believe so.
C'mon dude, we were all disspointed but you've got to let it go. Also, love the idea of a character design less than a year old being 'iconic' especially if we're going to pretend Marvel haven't made these third-tier scrubs into visual icons (Iron man, anyone?) We get it, you've got an agenda and waned this movie to be some kind of revelation, it wasn't.
Indrid Cold1
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Inb4 the truth?
Lord of Ostia
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I've enjoyed most of the recent Marvel movies but they shouldn't be winning Oscars imo, at least not any of the ones I've seen. They don't really push the medium, the acting is good but not spectacular, the writing is fun but not amazing, the visual effects are cool but usually not the most impressive of the films in any given year. Why do they need to win an Oscar? They make a ton of money and people enjoy them...and they are decent films. I get why people get upset at movies like Transformers or National Treasure or something being successful, because they aren't actually good films beyond the spectacle. Marvel films are great, I love them, but there is a difference between a film being good and a film being Oscar worthy.
David Incorporated Esq.
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What? No? Not even close? The animals were the most disappointing parts. Only in a few shots did Baloo or Bagheera look good.
I think the MCU as a whole is a really big achievement in the blockbuster scene that most studios could only dream of achieving, even if they have the right properties to do so. I think many people wave these films away as being simplistic blockbusters, but time and time again many sudios have shown us that making big blockbusters filled to the brim with diferent characters isn't something easy. However, I don't think that any of the MCU films push any specific category of film making to a point where I'd think an Oscar is in place (maybe special effects).
Strider_Blaze
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On the bright side, Marvel films haven't earned any Razzies!
Nothing is better in this case.
That said, will give credit to the Jungle Book for winning visual effects. The CG felt very good and didn't fall right into uncanny valley. Doesn't mean I won't stop giving high praise for Doctor Strange's VFX. If either won, then Disney won regardless.
I'll honestly never be surprised if superhero films didn't dominate the Oscars, since there are always overlooked films that just happened to be highly praised. But again, doesn't me I still can't enjoy what I enjoy.
Suicide Squad may have won for makeup and costumes (I admit Killer Croc was top notch), but so did the Grinch, Harry and the Hendersons and the Nutty Professor, two of which I actually did watch and enjoy.
Expected Fant4stic.
Nothing is better in this case.
That said, will give credit to the Jungle Book for winning visual effects. The CG felt very good and didn't fall right into uncanny valley. Doesn't mean I won't stop giving high praise for Doctor Strange's VFX. If either won, then Disney won regardless.
I'll honestly never be surprised if superhero films didn't dominate the Oscars, since there are always overlooked films that just happened to be highly praised. But again, doesn't me I still can't enjoy what I enjoy.
Suicide Squad may have won for makeup and costumes (I admit Killer Croc was top notch), but so did the Grinch, Harry and the Hendersons and the Nutty Professor, two of which I actually did watch and enjoy.
Poor GRIMES
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Lol keep these stan war bait threads to atrl, sis.
Edit: wow you actually posted the same thread on both websites lmao
Edit: wow you actually posted the same thread on both websites lmao
Oh my god, ATRL is a thing that still exists?
If the academy started to give statues to movies Just because they are trendy and cool, we would have the cinema grammy. I usually disagree with them, but i much rather have what we got right now. And Marvel movies are just that. Fast food where you go and enjoy. Not anything truly special. Maybe Logan will chance that.
Principate
Saint Titanfall
Best hair and make up is serious business. Marvel movies simply aren't iconic enough,
Because they don't make pretentious flicks for a certain crowd.
They just make entertaining films for the most part.
Not every other film has to have a deeper meaning.
The Oscars just care about one genre. But filmmaking is more than a genre.
Forget comicbook films. Comedies also get overlooked. There are MANY great drama films each year. How many great comedy films do we have in the last 20 years ? Not even a handful. Do they not deserve to be awarded ? You can pretend to be serious but you can't pretend to be funny. Spotlight was a great film. But so was Fury Road. You can't compare them both because they aren't in the same genre. If you can't compare different films, different genres how can you only have 1 category for best picture ? In terms of ''picture''...Fury Road had more going for it than Spotlight.
As you've probably noticed from this post I despise the oscars because their system is incredibly flawed and not the measurement of quality.
They just make entertaining films for the most part.
Not every other film has to have a deeper meaning.
The Oscars just care about one genre. But filmmaking is more than a genre.
Forget comicbook films. Comedies also get overlooked. There are MANY great drama films each year. How many great comedy films do we have in the last 20 years ? Not even a handful. Do they not deserve to be awarded ? You can pretend to be serious but you can't pretend to be funny. Spotlight was a great film. But so was Fury Road. You can't compare them both because they aren't in the same genre. If you can't compare different films, different genres how can you only have 1 category for best picture ? In terms of ''picture''...Fury Road had more going for it than Spotlight.
As you've probably noticed from this post I despise the oscars because their system is incredibly flawed and not the measurement of quality.
Exactly this.
Some comic book movie fans remind of all the 'video games are art' talk that kept coming up a few years back from gamers who were desperate to have their hobby/interest look good to people who think that stuff is low-brow/kiddie.
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