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Marvel EU: 10 years. 21 films. No Oscar, not #ICONIC. Why?

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The Icon said:
Suicide Squad wins an Oscar for Hair and Makeup and it spawns two threads (one of which was closed). It's Hair and Makeup, guys. SS won against very loose competition in a category almost no one cares about.

To answer the OP's question:
The MCU hasn't won an Oscar because the competition was stiffer those years in the categories it was nominated for. If the Academy deems a Marvel movie deserving of the award amidst it's relative competition it will get one. Simple as that.

And some of you getting mad over the DCEU fans having a bit of fun over it is quite entertaining to see. Almost like you can dish it out but can't take it. Especially over something as silly as a win for HAIR AND MAKEUP. You can breathe easy. The MCU is still #1. Calm down.
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I don't disagree with you, but there's an argument to be made for Doctor Strange succeeding at creating things that don't even exist to begin with.

Edit: I quoted the wrong person, but my point stands.
 
Kickz said:
Nothing they have done comes close to The Dark Knight.
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That's for sure. I think The Dark Knight has more in common with crime thrillers like Heat than the usual comic book films. Actually just saw TDK again couple of weeks ago after a few years break and I was again reminded what a masterful film it is from the complex moral undertones to the great ensemble cast and a plot with some dark twists and overall an intense experience. One of those rare films where you feel no one is actually safe and anything could happen. I think appreciation for the film will get even stronger as time goes on.
 
I've always seen it as super heroes trying to be something with depth and emotion but don't pull it off. They're all trying for Spider-Man 2.

Marvel and super hero movies in general would be recognized more if they properly used action sequences instead of requiring them. Watching Captain America: Civil War shows this completely because you just gotta get them to fight in an airport or have Tony rage out at the end when these could be handled better. There's nothing insightful, meaningful, or interesting about characters who only solve their problems with their fists especially in moments when it's not needed.

This is why Unbreakable is a more enjoyable super hero movie
he calls the police on Glass because action =/= super hero --- folks gotta get that out of their head
Or how Steven Spielberg puts it like it's more intriguing to read about a guy who saves someone from a car crash than a super powered man punching another super powered man.

Either go full action like Mad Max or One-Punch Man or attempt something greater because these shallow emotional rides do nothing except make you feel for the guy when he completes objective X while triumphant / sad music plays in the background.
 
The Icon said:
Suicide Squad wins an Oscar for Hair and Makeup and it spawns two threads (one of which was closed). It's Hair and Makeup, guys. SS won against very loose competition in a category almost no one cares about.

To answer the OP's question:
The MCU hasn't won an Oscar because the competition was stiffer those years in the categories it was nominated for. If the Academy deems a Marvel movie deserving of the award amidst it's relative competition it will get one. Simple as that.

And some of you getting mad over the DCEU fans having a bit of fun over it is quite entertaining to see. Almost like you can dish it out but can't take it. Especially over something as silly as a win for HAIR AND MAKEUP. You can breathe easy. The MCU is still #1. Calm down.
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And that's where I am
In the grand scale, it's not an outstanding award, but from here and social media I know it ruffles some feathers that it won anything

So I'll have fun with it, but not like it makes it a good movie
 
The Icon said:
Suicide Squad wins an Oscar for Hair and Makeup and it spawns two threads (one of which was closed). It's Hair and Makeup, guys. SS won against very loose competition in a category almost no one cares about.

To answer the OP's question:
The MCU hasn't won an Oscar because the competition was stiffer those years in the categories it was nominated for. If the Academy deems a Marvel movie deserving of the award amidst it's relative competition it will get one. Simple as that.

And some of you getting mad over the DCEU fans having a bit of fun over it is quite entertaining to see. Almost like you can dish it out but can't take it. Especially over something as silly as a win for HAIR AND MAKEUP. You can breathe easy. The MCU is still #1. Calm down.
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Thread ended.

#iconic post.
 
Because they're pulp movies.

They're not even classic hero movies in the Joseph Campbell "Hero of a Thousand Faces" definition as depicted by films such as Gladiator, Braveheart, Terminator 2, or even Dark Knight that have strong heroic action elements but also draw from ancient mythological templates.
 
They're all ranging from good to great films but I wouldn't say any of them approached legendary, not like Academy Award Winner Suicide Squad.
 
I want to see a comic book movie win for storytelling.

With VFX, you can do pretty much anything with enough artists and money. Big deal. TRON Legacy beat Marvel and Star Wars in regards to using old/dead actors' likenesses (or a younger Jeff Bridges) and it got squat.

At least Croc is #1 now.

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LionPride said:
Hold up, first off, all I said was SS shouldn't have won because Star Trek Beyond did it better

Second, you troll of a human, no one cares as much as yall. Like at all. Take your lone W because it obviously validates you as a human being because you can't possibly have any actual meaning in life to care this damn much
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Lol. Touched you that much eh. I just like to add I never asked you to not post in the DCEU
thread, whilst you begged, pleaded, backseat modded to get me to stop posting.
 
MisterHero said:
With VFX, you can do pretty much anything with enough artists and money. Big deal. TRON Legacy beat Marvel and Star Wars in regards to using old/dead actors' likenesses (or a younger Jeff Bridges) and it got squat.
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What? Young Jeff Bridges is always mentioned in 'worst CGI ever' lists and threads here on GAF

Both Marvel and SW did that a lot better.
 
Sci-fi and fantasy genre films don't do well at the Oscars. Look at how dismissive that anonymous Academy voter was toward Arrival. Back in '82 there were industry people grousing about E.T. being nominated for Best Picture. To this day there are people that consider Return of the King's Best Picture win to be more ridiculous than Crash's. Couple that with the longstanding rumor/belief that the Academy has a grudge against ILM's work due to Lucas' spurning of the Hollywood system when making the original Star Wars films, and the MCU doesn't have much of a chance at any of the big awards, even if you think they deserve them for some reason.

Lights and Waves said:
Talent always wins.

Name one Marvel cinematic decision that created a look as iconic as Harley's redesign.

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Yeah, if only Marvel were creative enough to steal Debbie Harry's look first.

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Lights and Waves said:
Why does Marvel's critically acclaimed cinematic universe fail to deliver on the award front? Why do Batman films keep winning?

Thoughts?




Edit: Title has been adjusted to Marvel: 10 years of EU. 39 films total. No Oscar. Why?

Marvel's current EU started in 2008 with Iron Man. Marvel has released 39 superhero movies (that I counted) in total.

Edit 2: It looks like Spider-Man 2 won an award for visual effects! But no Oscars since 2004.
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Only The Dark Knight won....and it's for Heath Ledger's performance.

In no sane universe will the other batman films won any other awards. The overwrought film that is Dark Knight Rises certainly will not win awards.
 
Cyan said:
Updated thread title to better reflect the full extent of Marvel's failure.
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Marvel's failure? LOL...u wut m8?

I don't think Marvel is weeping in tears and quaking in boots in fear of WB at the moment. Awards are nice and all but the Oscars are famous for snubbing genre films.
 
Marvel movies aren't that good to wins Oscars, barely any comic book movie does.

Nolan's The Dark Knight is the closest it ever gotten to Oscar worthy comic book movie.
 
Subpar Spatula said:
Either go full action like Mad Max or One-Punch Man or attempt something greater because these shallow emotional rides do nothing except make you feel for the guy when he completes objective X while triumphant / sad music plays in the background.
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one punch man's a comedy though

also i'm pretty sure that out of the "39 Marvel films" only like 15~ or so have actually been produced by Marvel Films

this thread's full of all kinda spacey logic, which makes sense, given that it apparently takes the academy awards seriously
 
The movies are so formulaic and heavily focus tested to appeal to the absolute maximum spectrum of the audience why would they ever win an Oscar? Few if any of the movies try to do or say anything the least bit interesting.

Marvel movies are the most vanilla flavored bubble gum.
 
The Icon said:
Suicide Squad wins an Oscar for Hair and Makeup and it spawns two threads (one of which was closed). It's Hair and Makeup, guys. SS won against very loose competition in a category almost no one cares about.

To answer the OP's question:
The MCU hasn't won an Oscar because the competition was stiffer those years in the categories it was nominated for. If the Academy deems a Marvel movie deserving of the award amidst it's relative competition it will get one. Simple as that.

And some of you getting mad over the DCEU fans having a bit of fun over it is quite entertaining to see. Almost like you can dish it out but can't take it. Especially over something as silly as a win for HAIR AND MAKEUP. You can breathe easy. The MCU is still #1. Calm down.
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Done and done.
 
because they're uninteresting, mediocre pulp. They're there to make money, not win awards for excellence. If you think these things are entitled to big league anything (other than the boxoffice), you're very mistaken.

That said, giving Suicide Squad anything is just... pfff. Hot Topic Makeup to explode in profits, I guess.
 
Freeza Under The Shower said:
because they're uninteresting, mediocre pulp. They're there to make money, not win awards for excellence. If you think these things are entitled to big league anything (other than the boxoffice), you're very mistaken.

That said, giving Suicide Squad anything is just... pfff. Hot Topic Makeup to explode in profits, I guess.
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Yep.

With the ridiculously elaborate alien designs in Star Trek Beyond they should have taken it. Even if Star Trek Beyond was pure shit.
 
brickarts295 said:
Spider-Man 2 deserves that Oscar with flying colors.
Movie still looks so fucking good to this day.
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Still the best Marvel movie by far, come at me bitches
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i rewatched it again the other week and yeah, spider-man 2 still stands head and shoulders over practically all the mcu films and alongside the dark knight remains undefeated as far as comic book movies go. one of the GOATs.

but
some of the visuals definitely haven't held up as well as your gifs imply. doc oc's tentacles look good in general but it's super obvious when he's replaced by a waxy cgi stunt double. and even though cgi spider-man looks good in those gifs there are some pretty odd moments where the model and animation look really dated and stiff. considering the film's nearly 13 years old at this point it's to be expected of course, but not all of it has aged particularly well.
 
Oscars lost a lot of credibility though.
Maybe Marvel should release more films in Oscar season, then they'd probably get one in.
 
Azoor said:
Nolan's The Dark Knight is the closest it ever gotten to Oscar worthy comic book movie.
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I still find it ridiculous they nominated The Reader instead of The Dark Knight. I don't think I've heard single person speak about the The Reader after the Oscar year. I do realize that the other one is completely Oscar mold movie while other is not but once again the time has proven which film has staying power. And this comes from someone who loves Kate Winslet.
 
So many hateful drive-by posts, I didn't realise MCU movies were this much disliked on GAF but then again, I shouldn't be surprised really.

With regards to the awards, the type of movie that tends to be favoured are more dramatic movies. How many times have you seen an action movie clear out the Oscars, especially in a category where a much more dramatic movie is involved. The context is that a dramatic movie has a greater social impact on people than a brainless action movie so no matter how much political thriller is inserted into movies like Aliens, Predator et al, it can never beat a movie like Titanic, 12 Years a Slave or the likes.

Also, I don't think the MCU needs awards from the Oscars for acknowledgement. The general consensus from movie critics and movie goers is that they are great which is why they keep doing so well commercially
 
Manny Calavera said:
I still find it ridiculous they nominated The Reader instead of The Dark Knight. I don't think I've heard single person speak about the The Reader after the Oscar year. I do realize that the other one is completely Oscar mold movie while other is not but once again the time has proven which film has staying power. And this comes from someone who loves Kate Winslet.
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Nolan's restraint of using CG did really help the movie a lot.
 
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