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He was an outright villain in Death of X #2 today. Not sure how the "CYCLOPS WAS RIGHT!!!!11" crazies will spin that one, but they'll no doubt find a way.

Death of X? You mean Marvel's final character assassination of Scott Summers right? Because that's the only thing it could be called. Everything Scott did in that book was completely out of line with his character and previous actions. DEATH of X is just Marvel's way of retroactively justifying how they've tried and failed to make Scott Summers a villain the last 2 years.

But Scott Haters and Wolverine/Jean shippers will point at this book at declare "see we were right about Cyclops all along!"

Shit book, Shit art, Shit story.

 

[Wiseblade]

I still say that Marvel don't know what to do with the Mutants. Putting them at the brink of extinction again so soon was a sign that they don't know how to differentiate them from Inhumans in my opinion.

 

[Parallax]

Everything. For the past several years it's almost become a running joke that Cyclops has consistently been making the best decisions available/acting completely rationally and other characters have been treating him like he's insane.

but...he wwas wrong about avsx, where this all started

 

[Mudcrab]

I still say that Marvel don't know what to do with the Mutants. Putting them at the brink of extinction again so soon was a sign that they don't know how to differentiate them from Inhumans in my opinion.

Its not that they don't know how to differentiate them from Inhumans, it's that they don't have anyone still at Marvel with good ideas for the X-men period.

The X-men are in a bad spot creatively and blaming the Inhumans misses the bigger issue imo and honestly outside of a few books I'm tempted to say this about Mavel as whole at the moment.

 

[The Silver]

Read Cyclops was Right #2


Marvel's been trying and failing to character assassinate Cyclops for a while and as far as I'm concerned they still failed here. Him

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(or possibly Emma's version of him)

telling the world that the mist was killing mutants is fine, he's sick and fucking tired of dealing with all these damn extinction events happening to mutants one after the other(and in this case he's extra mad because they get vilified while the inhumans don't to the same extent), he's gonna take out the source of the problem hard and fast no matter what.


Call me the Spinmaster.

 

[Xero]

but...he wwas wrong about avsx, where this all started

Like most inter hero battles in marvel that Tony is involved in, its Tony's fault.

 

[Hagi]

I'll be happy with at least one of these books getting a good creative team and not being shit. Hopefully Emma strikes it lucky but I'll take a Magik book if nothing else. Young Jean can jump into the sun.

I enjoyed the Bendis Uncanny run a lot and looking back I would have appreciated it even more if I knew what the state of the X books would be post Secret Wars..

 

[MHWilliams]

What was the villainous thing he did?

Declare war on the Inhumans?

 

[Parallax]

Like most inter hero battles in marvel that Tony is involved in, its Tony's fault.

tony intervened no doubt, but his fuckery prevented the world from being destroyed

 

[graffix13]

but...he wwas wrong about avsx, where this all started

How was he wrong in AvX? He believed Hope would bring back the mutant race and that's what she did.

 

[Parallax]

How was he wrong in AvX? He believed Hope would bring back the mutant race and that's what she did.

not with his help she didnt. she was successful is spite of scott

 

[A-V-B]

sorry m8

Little did Speed Racer know that Cyclops was his long lost brother Rex who ran away from home years ago

 

[Parallax]

Little did Speed Racer know that Cyclops was his long lost brother Rex who ran away from home years ago

....i dont know how i never made that joke before

 

[Savitar]

What was the villainous thing he did?

Declare war on the Inhumans?

The mini series is still playing out so we don't know the whole thing yet.

My guess is as said in the other thread he takes it to the Inhumans and even if he almost wins they get a PR win by saying mutants are contagious or deadly to normal humans if mutants come into contact with the terrigan mist. That makes mutants even more feared and puts greater heat on them.

Cyclops of course becomes the face of it all and vilified as the scapegoat for all.

 

[TheSeks]

It is wrong that I'd rather the Jean grey book be about the dead one, and not the young one?

Only if it's Pre-Phoenix. I'm so tired of that being the cop-out for Jean.

 

[MHWilliams]

The mini series is still playing out so we don't know the whole thing yet.

My guess is as said in the other thread he takes it to the Inhumans and even if he almost wins they get a PR win by saying mutants are contagious or deadly to normal humans if mutants come into contact with the terrigan mist. That makes mutants even more feared and puts greater heat on them.

Cyclops of course becomes the face of it all and vilified as the scapegoat for all.

I agree.

I'm talking about this issue.

People are saying this is the evil turning point.

What did he do?

 

[Savitar]

I agree.

I'm talking about this issue.

People are saying this is the evil turning point.

What did he do?

Other than want to beat up the Inhumans for mutants getting killed by the mist? No idea.

Super heroes beating each other up is kinda so routine it's almost cute when they try to make it a huge crime these days. I mean look at Civil War. Heroes beating up one another use to be the thing they did before teaming up to take down the real bad guy.

 

[graffix13]

not with his help she didnt. she was successful is spite of scott

We must have read a different series then.

It was the Avengers who invaded Utopia to arrest Hope, due to insider information from the turn coat Wolverine who said the Phoenix was coming to possess Hope and cause chaos. It was Cyclops who defended the island and Hope from the Avengers.

Later, the Avenger Iron Man split the PF into 5 pieces (lol, oops). Later after being possessed by the Dark PF, Scott went crazy. Hope eventually absorbed the PF and restarted the mutant X-gene. Scott was arrested for being right.

Marvel's never ending quest to vilify Cyclops continues. I guess they underestimate comic book readers who *gasp* actually enjoy a little character depth to their characters instead of the usual cookie cutter molds like the 20 different Wolverine clones running around with different coats of paint.

 

[Sinatar]

Pointing out that the Inhumans are killing mutants to the entire world is pretty non-villain. Likewise, while Medusa may not have known the effects of the Terrigen clouds, who can say the same of Black Bolt and Maximus, who released the cloud in the first place?

Declaring open war on the inhumans and spreading a lie to every single person on the planet that Terrigen is lethal to humans (thereby instigating mass panic and rioting in Madrid) isn't villainous?

Cyke fans are the worst.

 

[MHWilliams]

Declaring open war on the inhumans and spreading a lie to every single person on the planet that Terrigen is lethal to humans (thereby instigating mass panic and rioting in Madrid) isn't villainous?

Cyke fans are the worst.

Potentially lethal. And frankly, that's always been the case with Terrigen.

And you know Black Bolt and Maximus knew what the hell was up with the cloud when they released it. Guarantee that IvX will involve Medusa finding that out.

And again, current Marvel universe has pretty much borne out his case. The Terrigan Cloud is by no means "good" for anyone other than Inhumans.

Hence:

When the Terrigen Mists, from which all Inhumans spring and with which all mutants die, reach saturation point, the imperiled X-Men decide to wipe the source of their peril from the Earth once and for all.

Huh. Nice to see everyone else get there months later.

 

[Parallax]

We must have read a different series then.

It was the Avengers who invaded Utopia to arrest Hope, due to insider information from the turn coat Wolverine who said the Phoenix was coming to possess Hope and cause chaos. It was Cyclops who defended the island and Hope from the Avengers.

Later, the Avenger Iron Man split the PF into 5 pieces (lol, oops). Later after being possessed by the Dark PF, Scott went crazy. Hope eventually absorbed the PF and restarted the mutant X-gene. Scott was arrested for being right.

Marvel's never ending quest to vilify Cyclops continues. I guess they underestimate comic book readers who *gasp* actually enjoy a little character depth to their characters instead of the usual cookie cutter molds like the 20 different Wolverine clones running around with different coats of paint.

tell me. what would have happened if the avengers let them do what they want? the android was gonna remove the lights from the picture, and the girl didnt have the training she needed to deal with the phoenix.

 

[Mudcrab]

And another, we really need some creative teams announced:

 

[dan2026]

How much of a fucking shitstorm would there be if it turns out that Jean messed with Iceman's mind to make him think he was gay?

Although thinking about it, its the only thing that makes sense.

 

[Kinyou]

How much of a fucking shitstorm would there be if it turns out that Jean messed with Iceman's mind to make him think he was gay?

Although thinking about it, its the only thing that makes sense.

And Jean was mindcontrolled by the phoenix force!

But seriously, I think it would be enough to make Bobby not "full gay" but bi so it would clash less with the old stories. Also not like there are many bi male characters in comics, so, win win

 

[Rooster12]

Has any solo x-men book ever gone past 12 issues?

Havok Mutant X
Cable
Nate Gray

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Has any solo x-men book ever gone past 12 issues?

Every big name X-men has had their own book except Colossus and beast. But they usually don't sell for shit.

The longest running book I think was Pryde and Wisdom.

Havok, Cable, X-Man, Gambit, Deadpool, Dazzler, and Wolverine.

But those were all more or less started at the height of their respective popularities. Jean and Bobby are far from their best days.


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[Savitar]

And Jean was mindcontrolled by the phoenix force!

But seriously, I think it would be enough to make Bobby not "full gay" but bi so it would clash less with the old stories. Also not like there are many bi male characters in comics, so, win win

I remember someone talking about this once and was asked why wasn't there more as such and basically the answer was, it confuses people. Your gay or your not. Being someone in between doesn't click with people, when you think about how long it took gay people to be accepted and understood and yet still has to overcome so much you can sorta see where it comes from. Handling the whole bi thing appears too tricky a concept for some to handle but then writers at times appear to have issues with even straight couples being married which made me wonder about the average relationship writers have.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

I remember someone talking about this once and was asked why wasn't there more as such and basically the answer was, it confuses people. Your gay or your not. Being someone in between doesn't click with people, when you think about how long it took gay people to be accepted and understood and yet still has to overcome so much you can sorta see where it comes from. Handling the whole bi thing appears too tricky a concept for some to handle but then writers at times appear to have issues with even straight couples being married which made me wonder about the average relationship writers have.

That doesn't hold up when you look at the fairly frequent occurrence of bisexuality among beautiful female characters who appeal to heterosexual males.

There are plenty of reasons for bi-erasure but not least among them is the perception that men in particular are either purely heterosexual or they are just gay. I find it not unlike the way that being white is typically based on being "pure blooded."

 

[Slayven]

Havok, Cable, X-Man, Gambit, Deadpool, Dazzler, and Wolverine.

But those were all more or less started at the height of their respective popularities. Jean and Bobby are far from their best days.


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Mutant X was fucking awesome, and i spit in the eye of anyone that disagrees. They had Captain America blow up the moon

 

[Hades Hotgun]

Mutant X was fucking awesome, and i spit in the eye of anyone that disagrees. They had Captain America blow up the moon

Mutant X was glorious as fuck. I was super pissed that Quesada cancelled it for basically no reason.

 

[KuwabaraTheMan]

This event better end with Cyclops back and proven right.

 

[kswiston]

Mutant X was fucking awesome, and i spit in the eye of anyone that disagrees. They had Captain America blow up the moon

I followed it for maybe 20 issues, but I couldn't take some of the artists they stuck on there near the end. Granted, I was pretty narrow minded about comic art at the time (I think I was 16 or 17 when Mutant X released).

 

[Dysun]

Marvel creative is really shooting all blanks these days, nothing they do seems worth reading.

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I miss Remender UXF

 

[Palette Swap]

Nice to see some Mutant X love around here.

Marvel creative is really shooting all blanks these days, nothing they do seems worth reading.

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I miss Remender UXF

Yeah, there's nothing worth reading if you ignore Black Panther, Vision, both Cap books, Thor, Ms Marvel, Ant Man, Ultimates, both Spiderman books, or ANAD Avengers.

It's really the X titles that are shitting the bed hard right now.

Also, as much as I loved UXF, Remender's Uncanny Avengers went from good to really mediocre, while Axis was terrible all around. So while I miss the former Marvel Remender, I can't say I miss the latter.

 

[Hades Hotgun]

I followed it for maybe 20 issues, but I couldn't take some of the artists they stuck on there near the end. Granted, I was pretty narrow minded about comic art at the time (I think I was 16 or 17 when Mutant X released).

I loved the work Cary Nord did on the book. That was probably my favorite look that the book had. He captured the darker elements of the book well with his heavy use of solid blacks. The work Ron Lim did later seemed a bit to typical super hero in style for the nature of the book. Raney's initial art really appealed to me at first, but going back to the book it doesn't look as good as I remembered.

 

[Slayven]

I followed it for maybe 20 issues, but I couldn't take some of the artists they stuck on there near the end. Granted, I was pretty narrow minded about comic art at the time (I think I was 16 or 17 when Mutant X released).

I can see why you dropped it, they did kind of destroy Canada.

 

[BKatastrophe]

Has any solo x-men book ever gone past 12 issues?

Every big name X-men has had their own book except Colossus and beast. But they usually don't sell for shit.

The longest running book I think was Pryde and Wisdom.

Emma Frost had an 18 issue solo series that was fairly decent.

Pointing out that the Inhumans are killing mutants to the entire world is pretty non-villain. Likewise, while Medusa may not have known the effects of the Terrigen clouds, who can say the same of Black Bolt and Maximus, who released the cloud in the first place?

Everyone should have known the effects that the Mists could have. The events of Son of M and Silent War showed all this plain and clear, and it was Medusa and Black Bolt's big plan in War of Kings. You know, the T-Bomb that RIPPED OPEN A HOLE IN THE FABRIC OF SPACE AND TIME AND BROUGHT IN THE CANCERVERSE. I love Black Bolt and the Inhumans, but none of this can be written off as "oh well they didn't know."

 

[The Kree]

I remember when depowered mutants were breathing in terrigen gas to get their powers back in Silent War.

 

[BKatastrophe]

I remember when depowered mutants were breathing in terrigen gas to get their powers back in Silent War.

Son of M. And it's exactly why the Morlocks and especially Magneto shouldn't be surprised. In Silent War, we learned what concentrated exposure does to humans, which is just straight up death.

Here's the big point though: the T-Mist isn't actually doing that to mutants and humans because it needs a very concentrated dose to work. M-Pox shouldn't really be a thing, but (and I'm sticking to this theory that this is what really messed things up) Bruce Banner screwed with the cloud by gamma bombing it.

 

[Maledict]

And Jean was mindcontrolled by the phoenix force!

But seriously, I think it would be enough to make Bobby not "full gay" but bi so it would clash less with the old stories. Also not like there are many bi male characters in comics, so, win win

I've known someone who came out of the closet and realized they were gay after their third marriage and 4 kids with separate mothers. The idea that someone in denial can't have had relationships with women in the past is just plain weird to me. Gay people who can't deal with being gay can easily go to the other extreme in the hope it will 'fix' them - joining the military when being gay was banned, chasing after women etc.

Its a sad reflection on how hard it is for some folks, even nowadays, to come out and be accepted for who they are. But the fact cyclops used to chase after lots of girls (badly) doesn't mean he can't be gay at all.

 

[Gavin Darklighter]

And another, we really need some creative teams announced:

Why is Marvel confusing The New Mutants with Gen X in that picture? It's two completely different teams