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[The Cretan]

Ironheart isn't a bad name, but Iron Maiden would be much cooler.

 

[Sou Da]

Why is she 15 years old?

While I've never liked comics or super heroes in general, I always liked how the Americans made the super heroes adults, unlike the Japanese who have a bunch of children. Seems like the George Lucas thought process - we want kids to like these, so let's put kids in the comics.

Marvel's trying to do a next generation story.

 

[Red Arremer]

Ironclad might have been cool.

Already exists in the Marvel universe:

Is a part of the U-Foes.

 

[Nokagi]

Beware villains. Ironheart is coming for you! Yeah it's terrible. Sounds like something a 15 year old would make up. Oh wait.

 

[Fencedude]

Curious as to why people think "Iron Maiden" is superior other than the reference to the band.

 

[Starfield]

Irongrill

 

[Discotheque]

they should go neutral and call her IronPerson

 

[i-Lo]

Since iron maiden was taken they could've gone with one of these:

• Iron Mädchen
• Iron Jagerin
• Iron Venatrix

Curious as to why people think "Iron Maiden" is superior other than the reference to the band.

To me, it sounds regal and feels like a natural evolution of the term Shield Maiden.

 

[Fencedude]

Or we could try not using a word that literally means "virgin girl"

just a thought.

 

[Anoregon]

What about Fe-man-ine

why do you do this

 

[Bigfoot]

Is Marvel done making completely new heroes? It seems like they are all female/minority clones of existing superheroes now.

The name is fine though. It's better than Iron Women.

 

[i-Lo]

Or we could try not using a word that literally means "virgin girl"

just a thought.

And Batman wasn't half actual bat. Also, at present, in practice it generally denotes an unmarried woman and without also exclusively having to be a Virgin.

 

[Hot Coldman]

she'll be getting called Riri or "Williams" 90% of the time, and her series is still called Invincible Iron Man, so w/e

 

[Fencedude]

And Batman wasn't half actual bat. Also, at present, in practice it generally denotes an unmarried woman and without also exclusively having to be a Virgin.

Or we could stick with the entirely ungendered and really quite nice sounding "Ironheart"

 

[entremet]

Iron Maiden was never happening in a million years lol.

 

[zeemumu]

Maybe she can get an Asthmatic sidekick named Iron Lung


That said also from.the article I posted her suit's AI is modeled after Tony Stark lmao.

She's got AI Tony in her suit.

?

 

[tkscz]

This is cool I suppose but Marvel has yet to bring me back and keeps finding ways to keep me away

Spoiler

(got rid of Red She Hulk, Patriot {Eli}, killed off Bruce Banner and Rodey,)

. For me DC is just doing a better job with new characters and stories.

 

[i-Lo]

Or we could stick with the entirely ungendered and really quite nice sounding "Ironheart"

Never said it was bad and in the end that's the official name anyways. Didn't know not having a gender specific name would be a trigger especially because we know she's a female (unless she doesn't identify herself as one which I'm unaware of).

 

[n00bsauce87]

More like the Ironfart.

It's Ironheart. Now say it right or pay the price.

 

[guek]

Fitting for a kid superhero

 

[Kurdel]

Never said it was bad and in the end that's the official name anyways. Didn't know not having a gender specific name would be a trigger especially because we know she's a female (unless she doesn't identify herself as one which I'm unaware of).

I think Marvel wants the mantle to be more than a description of the person, so it can be passed on without akward conversations like this.

Seems logical to me.

 

[i-Lo]

I think Marvel wants the mantle to be more than a description of the person, so it can be passed on without akward conversations like this.

Seems logical to me.

That kind of future proofing is logical indeed.

 

[Garlador]

She sounds like a My Little Pony character. "Ironheart".

She can keep "Flurryheart" company, I guess.

 

[Fencedude]

"Ironheart, thats a silly name. Not like a real, bad ass name like Iron Man."

 

[bishopcruz]

The only kid geniuses right now IIRC are Riri, Amadeus(if you still want to count him as a kid), Maddy(his sister), Moon Girl, and Valeria Richards(who obviously isn't in any book at the moment).

I think those qualify as super geniuses. But, seriously, Bruno, Mike, and Kamala in Ms. Marvel are RIDICULOUSLY good at science, and Bruno himself was flat out called a genius in that book. Miles and his science team created a goddamned machine that lets them pull static electricity out of the air.

Do you find this alienates you as an adult reader?

The idea of "kid geniuses" completely turns me off something. I've met some prodigies. They're all assholes.
I want to hear the story of normal people who do extraordinary things.

Young characters don't necessarily alienate me so long as it doesn't mess with my suspension of disbelief too badly. Part of the reason I never took much of a shine to Miles Morales in the beginning was because he started that series at 13, which I felt was ridiculous considering one of the big themes of Ultimate Spider Man was that Peter was too young to be doing what he was doing at 15-16.

I'm generally fine with teen heroes who have a support structure which is generally either a group of other teen heroes, or a major hero backing them up in a mentor role.

 

[xevis]

The goal is for her to piggyback off one of Marvel's most popular characters while still being different. Makes it less awkward when the original comes back, and you know they will.
War Machine should have been called Black Iron. Actually I'm kinda surprised that's not what happened. I mean you have Black Panther, Black Manta, Black Lightning, Black Racer, Black Ranger,etc.

The idea that a female character needs to be defined in terms of her relationship to a prominent man in order to get recognition doesn't sit well with me, especially when you have War Machine as a good example of how to differentiate a similar but not the same type character.

She wears a metal suit. She has the same colours as Iron Man. I think that's enough in the way of signifiers.

 

[Fencedude]

Pfft who needs to be a teenager to be a superhero

 

[Slayven]

Pfft who needs to be a teenager to be a superhero

 

[Fencedude]

A+++

 

[jurgen]

The idea that a female character needs to be defined in terms of her relationship to a prominent man in order to get recognition doesn't sit well with me, especially when you have War Machine as a good example of how to differentiate a similar but not the same type character.

Yet that's the classic Marvel way.

• She Hulk
• Captain Marvel
• Red She Hulk
• X-23
• Lady Mastermind
• Spider-Woman
• Spider-Girl
• Namora
• Lady Bullseye

They're a bit better now, but they were huge practitioners of "Ms. Male Character."

 

[xevis]

Yet that's the classic Marvel way.

They're a bit better now, but they were huge practitioners of "Ms. Male Character."

Sure, absolutely agree. Just pointing out how crass and sexist "the classic Marvel way" is. Hopefully Disney will show Joe Qesada the door bring in someone more progressive.

 

[Not]

It's fine

 

[Hubbl3]

Jesus, some of the comments in that article...

Nerd salt is the saltiest of salts.

 

[RPGamer92]

I like it.

 

[PSqueak]

Should be Iron Heart, not Ironheart. Other than that, seems fine to me.

Ironheart probably can be trademarked, Iron Heart can't unless it's always spelled "Marvel's Iron Heart".

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

Was "Iron Maiden" too on-the-nose?

I read an article where they said that one was shot down for legal reasons, while Iron Woman was deemed too old fashioned.

 

[BKatastrophe]

Let's run this shit already!

Bendis' All New X-men was fucking horrible. I just can't understand how his ANX was so bad, while his Uncanny was actually really good.

I thought his ANXM was solid for the first few arcs. It was when they got to Ultimate Adventure, which was pure throwaway filler. The arc after that, The Utopians, was completely pointless as well. Though I agree that his Uncanny was superior.

Is Marvel done making completely new heroes? It seems like they are all female/minority clones of existing superheroes now.

This shit again. Abridged version:
-It's harder to create successful characters right away without first establishing them in a team book or as a successor to a mantle. Putting them in that scenario makes them more known, and is a great testing grounds to see if they're even worth making a series about.
-Marvel has been trying to better push more characters that aren't white, straight males. Using the above method is an almost-guaranteed way of making minority characters more popular, thus improving Marvel's image and increasing their fanbase and readership. Increasing their fanbase and readership helps spread things via word-of-mouth, which in turn makes said characters even more popular by attracting more fans and readers. Hell, in some cases, it makes older characters even more popular than they ever were. See: Sam Wilson and Jane Foster.
-Mantle inheriting has been a staple of Marvel and DC since the Silver Age. With even more characters out there, and a desire for a more varied stable of characters, it's no surprise that mantle-inheriting occurs more often.

Sure, absolutely agree. Just pointing out how crass and sexist "the classic Marvel way" is. Hopefully Disney will show Joe Qesada the door bring in someone more progressive.

Marvel hasn't done something like that in awhile. Jane Foster as Thor is just Thor, but she's not the first person to carry that mantle. Kamala Kahn is Ms. Marvel, a mantle inherited from Ms. Marvel. Carol being Captain Marvel isn't that big of a deal, since Captain Marvel is a unisex mantle that multiple females and males have gone under. Laura Kinney is the current Wolverine, and before that she had a separate codename. And now Riri has her own identity while still carrying Iron Man's mantle at the same time.

I know that it was samey back in the day, but that's not much of a thing now, and I don't see the problem with Spider-Woman or Spider-Girl, since there's been about five of them at this point.

 

[Parallax]

Jesus, some of the comments in that article...

Nerd salt is the saltiest of salts.

never seen sports fan salt?

 

[Jorok Goldblade]

This shit again. Abridged version:
-It's harder to create successful characters right away without first establishing them in a team book or as a successor to a mantle. Putting them in that scenario makes them more known, and is a great testing grounds to see if they're even worth making a series about.
-Marvel has been trying to better push more characters that aren't white, straight males. Using the above method is an almost-guaranteed way of making minority characters more popular, thus improving Marvel's image and increasing their fanbase and readership. Increasing their fanbase and readership helps spread things via word-of-mouth, which in turn makes said characters even more popular by attracting more fans and readers. Hell, in some cases, it makes older characters even more popular than they ever were. See: Sam Wilson and Jane Foster.
-Mantle inheriting has been a staple of Marvel and DC since the Silver Age. With even more characters out there, and a desire for a more varied stable of characters, it's no surprise that mantle-inheriting occurs more often.

I think the big reason for all of these legacy characters, as well as the major status quo change for Peter Parker, is that Marvel has their cinematic universe to worry about. They can't keep Downey, Evans, etc in the roles forever. Going off the success of The Force Awakens, Having the mantles passed on to a new generation is now a proven model in a long running cinematic universe. Marvel is using the comics as a testing ground to figure out who the cast of the Avengers movies will be in 10-15 years.

 

[NipplesAndToes23]

Going off the drawing they revealed earlier I thought she was a grown ass woman.

 

[Not]

Going off the drawing they revealed earlier I thought she was a grown ass woman.

It's so hard to tell these days TBH

You might be 14 or 31 but damned if I know

 

[excelsiorlef]

Do you find this alienates you as an adult reader?

The idea of "kid geniuses" completely turns me off something. I've met some prodigies. They're all assholes.
I want to hear the story of normal people who do extraordinary things.

Then don't read an Iron Man book.

Tony Stark is both an asshole and not a normal person.

 

[excelsiorlef]

Or we could stick with the entirely ungendered and really quite nice sounding "Ironheart"

You're kidding yourself if you think Iron Heart isn't totally a gendered name

 

[Debirudog]

The Matt Fraction run seems to make Tony a little more heroic and trying to make amends with some of the asshole things he did.

I always liked Tony's character though that might be honestly because my first exposure is from the 1st movie. :x

 

[excelsiorlef]

The Matt Fraction run seems to make Tony a little more heroic and trying to make amends with some of the asshole things he did.

I always liked Tony's character though that might be honestly because my first exposure is from the 1st movie. :x

There is nothing wrong with liking Tony though.

That wasn't my point

 

[Nostremitus]

Recalls Braveheart to me. Not bad.

I thought LionHeart.

I like the name. They could have done much worse.

 

[Icyflamez96]

I like the name. Granted, I don't read comics so I'm not really relevant.

Same lol

 

[BKatastrophe]

I think the big reason for all of these legacy characters, as well as the major status quo change for Peter Parker, is that Marvel has their cinematic universe to worry about. They can't keep Downey, Evans, etc in the roles forever. Going off the success of The Force Awakens, Having the mantles passed on to a new generation is now a proven model in a long running cinematic universe. Marvel is using the comics as a testing ground to figure out who the cast of the Avengers movies will be in 10-15 years.

I doubt it. Comic book readers will see it regardless, and I doubt many moviegoers give a shit as long as the movies keep going well.

The theme for the upcoming Marvel NOW! launch is sort of a whole old giving way to the new type thing. Civil War 2's outcome is playing a massive role in that.

 

[Salty Rice]

Meh name.

At least it sounds like its a 15 year old since its a lot about little kids in the newest stuff.

 

[Dan]

-Mantle inheriting has been a staple of Marvel and DC since the Silver Age. With even more characters out there, and a desire for a more varied stable of characters, it's no surprise that mantle-inheriting occurs more often.

Huh? Passing the mantle has been a staple of DC's heroes for half a century at least, but Marvel's? Hasn't that only been something they've begun doing relatively recently?