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Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut is coming next week [Up: Out now, my sweet]

duckroll said:
Yeah if that's the case why would anyone want to subscribe to the indoctrination theory? :)
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Desperation. I actually don't subscribe to the Indoc theory at all. In fact, I view it as something worse than the original ending because it doesn't solve the main plot whereas the original ending at least deals with the Reapers although in a very unsatisfying way.

Still, the original ending was shit and insulting to ME fans.

kayos90 said:
Honestly I don't think it's about the fans at this point. I'm a writer and I sometimes write short stories. I've heard people saying they don't like my endings and have given me alternate ones that sound better to them and others. However, just because it's better - or has the possibility to - doesn't give anyone the write (pun intended) to change it. I had my own vision for the story and such. Don't insult it by telling me to change it to something that others have created so it makes more sense, etc.
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People can demand that you change your story all they want, but you don't have to do it if you don't want to. BW didn't have to make the Extended Cut, but they chose to. I don't consider it insulting at all.
 
kayos90 said:
Honestly I don't think it's about the fans at this point. I'm a writer and I sometimes write short stories. I've heard people saying they don't like my endings and have given me alternate ones that sound better to them and others. However, just because it's better - or has the possibility to - doesn't give anyone the write (pun intended) to change it. I had my own vision for the story and such. Don't insult it by telling me to change it to something that others have created so it makes more sense, etc.
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When something is bad, it's just bad. The fact that they basically went back on their original ending is an admission on their part of that fact.
 
Jasoneyu said:
You know what, I give huge props to the mass effect team for not only listening to the complaints but also went to huge effort to actually add and change what they could. They can't completely retcon the ending but at least they understood where there was some confusion and expanded upon ideas/concepts they attempted to make in the endings.

We all know the original ending was and always be a clusterfuck, give bioware some credit for the extra mile they gave to the fans.
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No.

Doing something partially passable doesn't make up for them "phoning in" Mass Effect 3.

That's not how it works even though a number of people think that's how it works.

That's not how it works even though Bioware hopes that's how it works.
 
firehawk12 said:
When something is bad, it's just bad. The fact that they basically went back on their original ending is an admission on their part of that fact.
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Yeah. I agree. They should've kept it as is and just wrote a summary or something immediately after the controversy to explain shit. *sigh*.
 
kayos90 said:
Honestly I don't think it's about the fans at this point. I'm a writer and I sometimes write short stories. I've heard people saying they don't like my endings and have given me alternate ones that sound better to them and others. However, just because it's better - or has the possibility to - doesn't give anyone the write (pun intended) to change it. I had my own vision for the story and such. Don't insult it by telling me to change it to something that others have created so it makes more sense, etc.
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It's not just a matter of ''good'' or ''bad'' ending, they have been promising something ever since the trilogy was announced and didn't deliver in multiple ways. Also, there are well written bad endings, but this has lazyness, magic and stupidity all over it.
 
Derrick01 said:
At least we can finally leave Bioware behind now right guys? There's 1 good thing that came from this.
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Right. Leave Bioware behind. Right.

We will have the same kind of threads coming back when Dragon Age 3 and Mass Effect 4 will release. GAF will never resist another chance to spit on them.
 
heliosRAzi said:
Desperation. I actually don't subscribe to the Indoc theory at all. In fact, I view it as something worse than the original ending because it doesn't solve the main plot whereas the original ending at least deals with the Reapers although in a very unsatisfying way.

Still, the original ending was shit and insulting to ME fans.
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Sure, I can see people being desperate and grasping at straws. I just think it's funny that some people are angry that Bioware didn't legitimize the indoctrination theory. They were never going to. It's really just as dumb. The best they can do at this point is just move on after this Extended Cut and try to forget about it. The ending to ME3 will always be kinda bad, and no one will be able to change it at this point.
 
Watched em all on YT, had a good laugh to myself, and uninstalled the game.

Is there a Youtube clip of the part that happens before Shepard enters the Citadel? Him telling his LI to go, etc.?
 
duckroll said:
So if it's so shit why would anyone want them to "implement" anything further? If they did such a terrible job that it is an "insult to anyone with a functioning brain" then if I were you I would just avoid all their products in future and not even bother with anything they want to add to the existing game.
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I don't believe in the IT at all and think it's dumb but the ending(s) were fucking awful and probably one of the worst produced in any medium. Due to ME3 and Dragon Age I will definitely be avoiding all Bioware products in the future. You think Bioware did this because they wanted to? They did this because the ending and backlash was damaging to both the Mass Effect and Bioware brand.
 
Bisnic said:
Right. Leave Bioware behind. Right.

We will have the same kind of threads coming back when Dragon Age 3 and Mass Effect 4 will release. GAF will never resist another chance to spit on them.
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As long as they're just renting the games then I don't see the problem. But they shouldn't be rewarding Bioware with money for this kind of low grade crap they keep putting out.
 
duckroll said:
Sure, I can see people being desperate and grasping at straws. I just think it's funny that some people are angry that Bioware didn't legitimize the indoctrination theory. They were never going to. It's really just as dumb. The best they can do at this point is just move on after this Extended Cut and try to forget about it. The ending to ME3 will always be kinda bad, and no one will be able to change it at this point.
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Can't polish shit.
 
duckroll said:
Sure, I can see people being desperate and grasping at straws. I just think it's funny that some people are angry that Bioware didn't legitimize the indoctrination theory. They were never going to. It's really just as dumb. The best they can do at this point is just move on after this Extended Cut and try to forget about it. The ending to ME3 will always be kinda bad, and no one will be able to change it at this point.
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The indoctrination theory was really just people trying to handwave the bad endings as some sort of masterstroke because they were unwilling to believe bioware would do this to us in terms of mistaking entirely what we wanted out of the series as a fan base, as almost 3 games now told us choice > everything. They they give us three stupid choices that are all as poorly written, and one that lets us say no fuck these shitty endings, where they basically go DEAL WITH IT
 
The stills are dumb. I like the
memorial wall part
. Still trying to figure out what I think of the rest. Initial reaction is that it's impossible to compare when I already had the experience. I'm leaning toward having the same reaction I did before, but instead of also complaining about
ignoring characters and consequences I'm complaining about boring choices and generally uninteresting resolution. I'm even okay with the idea of taking choice away from me at the end. I'm totally okay with a series making choice important and then at the end punching the player in the gut and saying "You don't always get your way. Sometimes there are only two options. Die and submit to save the galaxy on the enemies terms, or let everyone die with your ideals." Sometimes these are the choices in real life. Cool, but the original ending never gave me that vibe. It never felt like a clever turn on the nature of choice. It wasn't clever like Bioshock. I don't care that Sheppard died. Narration explaining his reasoning just makes it worse when my reasons aren't always the same. None of these endings gives me interest in the galaxy or the possible future of the Mass Effect franchise. The ending would have had to be entirely different for me to care, and I don't think it's worth it for Bioware to do that. If they like what they made then leave it.
 
kayos90 said:
Honestly I don't think it's about the fans at this point. I'm a writer and I sometimes write short stories. I've heard people saying they don't like my endings and have given me alternate ones that sound better to them and others. However, just because it's better - or has the possibility to - doesn't give anyone the write (pun intended) to change it. I had my own vision for the story and such. Don't insult it by telling me to change it to something that others have created so it makes more sense, etc.
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Yeah, sorry. If you write shit and people call it shit, then take the hint and get better at what you do. Don't hide behind blinders and blame "haters" and duck behind "creative vision" that only you apparently are allowed to wield. Hudson took it upon himself to single-handedly write an ending, free of peer review, from a series that spanned 3 games and had hundreds of people work on it. It was a series played by millions and took players 90 hours to complete, with a healthy choice of decision making and player creation along the way.

What that one guy "created" was a lazy palette swap with a splash screen that begged for players upset at the ending to buy additional DLC. The "creative vision" was bankrupt from go and only became shelter when called out for the bullshit behavior.
 
kayos90 said:
Honestly I don't think it's about the fans at this point. I'm a writer and I sometimes write short stories. I've heard people saying they don't like my endings and have given me alternate ones that sound better to them and others. However, just because it's better - or has the possibility to - doesn't give anyone the write (pun intended) to change it. I had my own vision for the story and such. Don't insult it by telling me to change it to something that others have created so it makes more sense, etc.
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The games are written by many people, the process was changed out of the blue and two of the people with more power took the ending all to themselves.


It's more like if you and a friend were writing and one day he took all the work made up an end he never talked with you about and the published it.



bigdaddygamebot said:
I am down with that.
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Yep, there are many companies that could use support, no need wasting money giving it to Bioware.
 
kayos90 said:
Honestly I don't think it's about the fans at this point. I'm a writer and I sometimes write short stories. I've heard people saying they don't like my endings and have given me alternate ones that sound better to them and others. However, just because it's better - or has the possibility to - doesn't give anyone the write (pun intended) to change it. I had my own vision for the story and such. Don't insult it by telling me to change it to something that others have created so it makes more sense, etc.
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Right but if you're a bad writer I'm gonna tell you I think you're a bad writer or not.

They didn't have to make this, but it just illustrates they aren't really keen on learning from criticism.
 
pargonta said:
In a way, it is actually a catch-all success for those people.

-it does away with most of the Space Magic
-Shepard dismisses the Star Child's Bullshit
-most plot holes and stupidity are forgotten because they don't exist,
-the future is bright for space exploration in this new universe.

-in a sense, the Refuse ending is the same as if the game ends with Shepard and Anderson sitting looking at earth. It ends with the right kind of speculation.

That's why after a few more hours of thinking about it, the refuse is still my favorite ending.

if anything, saying the refuse is my favorite is basically a Fuck you to bioware for the original ending.
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I dont think ill ever play through the whole series again, but if I did refuse would be my ending
 
So if I bother playing this did they add any new cutscenes for Jack or Miranda? Other than hey call me after you beat the reapers? Der der der.
 
I just read the transcripts someone posted instead of wasting 2GB of bandwidth (my poor Canadian bandwidth). It's still unsatisfying but at least they've made an effort and I appreciate that.
 
So I woke up and watched em all on the youtubes...While obviously the plot is still shit, I really do think the new endings are VASTLY better. enough better that had they been in from the get go the outcry would've been substantially less (as in the plotholes exist and the kid still sucks, but it FEELS far less rushed and more satisfying). That's about the highest praise I can give something like this that is ultimately far too little too late, I suppose.
 
Heh, I don't think Gaf could ever be happy with Bioware. From what I've heard the endings fix most of my issues, so they sound fine. I see a handful of people are still riding that "screw Bioware" train though. Didn't expect that to change.



Derrick01 said:
Does it really?

Oh man they just don't learn.
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The MP in ME3 is fantastic.
 
I traded my copy last week for Dark Souls. I don't think a free DLC pack is really going to fix the ending or the game (Yes, I thought ME3 was the worst of the ME games)
 
Bisnic said:
Right. Leave Bioware behind. Right.

We will have the same kind of threads coming back when Dragon Age 3 and Mass Effect 4 will release. GAF will never resist another chance to spit on them.
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My favorite is the people that blast others for buying the special editions, but buy the special editions themselves when they are on sale. Buying a copy for $20 off doesn't make you a rebel.
 
Tess3ract said:
I wouldn't know, I don't play MP addons to a single player game. It's just wasted resources
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That's the dumbest reason i ever heard to not play a multiplayer mode. I can understand not liking online gameplay as a good reason, but this??

"Who cares how good multiplayer is in a game, its wasted resources if its not a multiplayer focused game, so i wont touch that!"
 
The endings still feel rushed to me because the slideshow seems so barebones. I only completed the synthesis ending, but EDI never says what everyone does afterwards. Does she have Joker's baby? Did Kaidan ever get over FemShep's death? Can there really be a Vakarian without Shepard?
 
Deadly Cyclone said:
Heh, I don't think Gaf could ever be happy with Bioware. From what I've heard the endings fix most of my issues, so they sound fine. I see a handful of people are still riding that "screw Bioware" train though. Didn't expect that to change.
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The way I see it, it's all about momentum. Bioware's been accelerating into negative territory for a while now (ME2's plot problems, DA2, the dudebro-ization of their games, ME3's ending). One thing might slow it down, but it's going to take a lot more for the internet community to perceive it moving in the right direction again.
 
TheYanger said:
So I woke up and watched em all on the youtubes...While obviously the plot is still shit, I really do think the new endings are VASTLY better. enough better that had they been in from the get go the outcry would've been substantially less (as in the plotholes exist and the kid still sucks, but it FEELS far less rushed and more satisfying). That's about the highest praise I can give something like this that is ultimately far too little too late, I suppose.
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The criticism would've been: Oh, so it's just Deus Ex HR all over again, Meh. Instead of: This is probably the worst ending I've ever seen in a videogame ever.

Still, for this universe and this trilogy it is still a fiction shattering conclusion.
 
Bisnic said:
That's the dumbest reason i ever heard to not play a multiplayer mode. I can understand not liking online gameplay as a good reason, but this??

"Who cares how good multiplayer is in a game, its wasted resources if its not a multiplayer focused game, so i wont touch that!"
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Sorry, didn't play DS2 mp for the same reason (also because i bought the game after everyone moved on because im poor)

If it's not an MP game first and foremost, I don't give a fuck about playing with other people
 
inky said:
The criticism would've been: Oh, so it's just Deus Ex HR all over again, Meh. Instead of: This is probably the worst ending I've ever seen in a videogame ever.

Still, for this universe and this trilogy it is still a fiction shattering conclusion.
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Sure, but you can't deny that the jump in quality between what we got initially and what we have now is MASSIVE. I get people are bitching about the slideshow part, but even that aside this is insanely better.
 
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