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[Ghost Pepper]

You guys complain about sexual offenders, but keep posting in this forum, owned by a sexual offender.

Hypocrites.

 

[RastaMentality]

This is just laughably wrong. You are suggesting that witness testimony has no value at all. That's preposterous. Testimony has probative value. That value isn't absolute. "Good evidence" doesn't mean "proved beyond a shadow of a doubt." Witnesses can lie.

But the fact that a person with direct knowledge makes a claim is indeed evidence, and the sort of evidence that would be admissible in court, unlike hearsay. The fact that a person who worked with Lauer and was in a position to be scorned and ridiculed and possibly fired, as happens to many women report sexual harrassment, is making the claim is much stronger than if you made the claim against Kevin Spacey. You are an anonymous person on the internet with nothing to lose and you have, presumably, never worked with Kevin Spacey so I have nothing to corroborate your claim.

Seems like the only legal precedent they understand is “innocent until proven guilty” (which is actually a misnomer and not a legal concept LOL)

 

[Robot Carnival]

Mr. Lauer’s dismissal was seized upon by President Trump, who went on to ask in a tweet when executives at NBC and Comcast, the network’s parent company, would “be fired for putting out so much fake news.”

of course this piece of turd would use this opportunity to push his bs again... freaking, did you forget that u had been put on the spot by dozens of women accusing you the same thing? why didn't you step down from everything yet?

in regards to Lauer, this one hits pretty hard to me. he always seem like such a nice and level headed guy and I used to watch Today for a long time. hopefully he can come forward and make a statement, clarify things and let's us know a little more.

 

[Horsemama1956]

Be crazy if it was Katie.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Didn't know Matt Lauer was EviLore's relative.

You guys complain about sexual offenders, but keep posting in this forum, owned by a sexual offender.

Hypocrites.

Would that be worse than your 'relative' joke though?

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

You guys complain about sexual offenders, but keep posting in this forum, owned by a sexual offender.

Hypocrites.

Says the hypocrite who posted the above on this same site. A winner is you.

 

[Heath V]

I think I've become desensitized to this unfortunately. When I hear a name now no matter who it is I'm not really surprised anymore.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Vox has a piece up about Lauer's scumbaggy interview with Anne Hathaway in 2012. I faintly remember that, I think that's when I learned that Lauer was an asshole. For some reason I didn't think of that when this news broke today, though.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11...r-anne-hathaway-2012-sexism-sexual-harassment

It still blows my mind that the year of #MeToo is the year Donald Trump of all fucking people, who admitted he could never be president because of his treatment of women, won the election against a woman who is light years beyond him in character, competence and qualifications. And then conservatives run their mouths about sexual predators being mostly 'leftists' after putting a known and admitted serial sexual predator like that in the WH. Imagine being that clueless.

 

[Meh3D]

This is just laughably wrong. You are suggesting that witness testimony has no value at all. That's preposterous. Testimony has probative value. That value isn't absolute. "Good evidence" doesn't mean "proved beyond a shadow of a doubt." Witnesses can lie.

But the fact that a person with direct knowledge makes a claim is indeed evidence, and the sort of evidence that would be admissible in court, unlike hearsay. The fact that a person who worked with Lauer and was in a position to be scorned and ridiculed and possibly fired, as happens to many women report sexual harrassment, is making the claim is much stronger than if you made the claim against Kevin Spacey. You are an anonymous person on the internet with nothing to lose and you have, presumably, never worked with Kevin Spacey so I have nothing to corroborate your claim.

Lets untwist that response you mixed in with the Matt Lauer story and lets quote you again to see exactly what you said.

Somebody telling you what someone else did to them, directly, is not hearsay. It's good evidence.

Witness testimony having no value? I am not suggesting that, that is all you. In your two sentence post you wrote that if someone tells you directly that is "good evidence." I told you something directly about Kevin Spacey. It's not good evidence. Fact checked, competence, materiality etc. is not something inherent to to every claim.

I brought up Kevin Spacey to not get it confused with my opinion on the Matt Lauer story in this thread. But thanks for that..

 

[ThisGuy]

I think with how fast everything went down Lauer did something. The company is moving quickly to distance itself. That alone makes me believe there probably is proof.

Time will tell maybe.

 

[Teuoxton]

Be crazy if it was Katie.

She was a victim too apparently: http://time.com/5041390/katie-couric-matt-lauer-fired/

“He pinches me on the ass a lot,” Couric told Andy Cohen in a 2012 interview during a segment called “Plead the Fifth” on Watch What Happens Live, when asked what Lauer’s most annoying habit was. Multiple news outlets published video of the interview Wednesday.

“Wow, I wouldn’t have a problem with that,” Cohen said in response.

 

[Woo-Fu]

It still blows my mind that the year of #MeToo is the year Donald Trump of all fucking people, who admitted he could never be president because of his treatment of women, won the election against a woman who is light years beyond him in character, competence and qualifications. And then conservatives run their mouths about sexual predators being mostly 'leftists' after putting a known and admitted serial sexual predator like that in the WH. Imagine being that clueless.

You'd have to be that clueless to think they didn't know exactly what they were doing. The perception is. Reality isn't as important as how well you can manipulate other's perception of that reality, at least in politics.

 

[Dunki]

Yeah leftists like Roger Ailes and Bill O’Reilly and Roy Moore and Donald Trump and James Woods.

Idiot.

Actually if you just go by "journalism" news media etc it is mostly or even all the left media sites. So far I have not heard anyone from FOX as an example.

Overall it happens everywhere. But in this secific field it were the so called male feminist most of the time.

 

[jayhawker]

Lets untwist that response you mixed in with the Matt Lauer story and lets quote you again to see exactly what you said.



Witness testimony having no value? I am not suggesting that, that is all you. In your two sentence post you wrote that if someone tells you directly that is "good evidence." I told you something directly about Kevin Spacey. It's not good evidence. Fact checked, competence, materiality etc. is not something inherent to to every claim.

I brought up Kevin Spacey to not get it confused with my opinion on the Matt Lauer story in this thread. But thanks for that..

I did not say that if someone tells you directly it is good evidence. I said testimony from someone who directly witnessed the event is good evidence. The victim saying she was harassed is NOT hearsay. That's the point. It's direct testimony. Me saying the victim said she was harassed is hearsay. The people in this thread dismissing her testimony as mere hearsay are simply wrong.

You said your testimony about Kevin Spacey wouldn't even be evidence. That's why I said you were suggesting witness testimony had no value. I can't understand why you would bring up a Kevin Spacey example if you didn't mean to make it analogous to the Matt Lauer story.

 

[themagicalkitsune]

Could you stop with personal insults please.
I know mods are sleeping, but still.

Thank heavens we got posters like you quick to point out the true problems in this topic: people calling each other idiots.

 

[Phoenix RISING]

It seems like most of these sexual predators are leftists.

Besides trolling, I don't see the purpose of a post like this.

Especially in the current context, as others have already pointed out but most immediately, Roy Moore is currently running for office in Alabama and might get elected anyway.

Like, were we supposed to agree and be like "Oh snap, down with progressives!" or something.

It's a very Yahoo.com/YouTube caliber comment that adds nothing to the conversation.

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I used to not buy into "rape culture," and would draw the line at plain ol' fashioned patriarchy, but I'm beginning to pivot. I was unaware that so many men believed women only existed for their own gratification.

 

[DiscoJer]

Variety has an article. It's a lot more than one woman

http://variety.com/2017/biz/news/matt-lauer-accused-sexual-harassment-multiple-women-1202625959/

I think politics is involved to the extent that people are often willing to overlook bad behavior if that person has the same politics they do. Democrats defend democrats, Republicans defend Republicans.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

You'd have to be that clueless to think they didn't know exactly what they were doing. The perception is. Reality isn't as important as how well you can manipulate other's perception of that reality, at least in politics.

I'm not sure if you're agreeing with me or suggesting I'm naive, or both?

 

[sans_pants]

Actually if you just go by "journalism" news media etc it is mostly or even all the left media sites. So far I have not heard anyone from FOX as an example.

Overall it happens everywhere. But in this secific field it were the so called male feminist most of the time.

roger ailes and bill o reilly worked at fox

 

[HStallion]

Actually if you just go by "journalism" news media etc it is mostly or even all the left media sites. So far I have not heard anyone from FOX as an example.

Overall it happens everywhere. But in this secific field it were the so called male feminist most of the time.

Roger Ailes ran Fox News before being ousted and Bill O'Reilly was their biggest star for like a decade. Lets not also mention the other like half dozen or so people at Fox News who were ousted over sexual harassment.

 

[TheLaughingStock]

It is not right to fire someone over allegations alone, in this case it's actually a single accuser.



Ruining somebodies life because something may or may not be the case. Hm.


Ironic this is an NBC article:

Behind the numbers of office romance

Give me a break. There's more than enough credible information to give Matt the boot.

All of these newscasters, entertainers, and politicians talking about Trump when they have no moral high ground to stand on. People have looked the other way, covered incidents up, and retaliated against the victims. Now all the dirty laundry is coming out. And we can clearly see sexual harassment and assault is an epidemic in the US.

 

[ThisGuy]

Roger Ailes ran Fox News before being ousted and Bill O'Reilly was their biggest star for like a decade. Lets not also mention the other like half dozen or so people at Fox News who were ousted over sexual harassment.

Huh, I figured you would have done an account suicide. Glad you didn't.

 

[RastaMentality]

roger ailes and bill o reilly worked at fox

eric bolling too

lol what a stupid post that was

 

[sans_pants]

eric bolling too

lol what a stupid post that was

but he didnt "hear about it"

 

[RastaMentality]

but he didnt "hear about it"

the MALE FEMINISTS are to blame havent u heard?

 

[mr2xxx]

The term "sexual assault" has become way too vague at this point.

My concern is that anyone who has had a strange or awkward encounter with someone else will recklessly identify it as sexual assault if there is any kind of flirtatious air to it. Sexual nature is sprinkled in a crazy amount of ways through how we, as humans, communicate with others. Sex is literally everywhere.

That being said, this exact argument has become a weapon for people like O'reilly to use in carpet bombing basically anyone who decides to come out and accuse, which is obviously also harmful. I guess it just comes down to a judgement call.

This is only really affecting famous powerful people with multiple accusations at this point. Besides the vast majority of these people will never see a single day in court, let alone behind bars. We should be focused on how to handle sexual assault/harassment in our society since its obliviously all too common and the justice system isn't equipped to help women in these situations get justice.

 

[Zog]

We should be focused on how to handle sexual assault/harassment in our society since its obliviously all too common and the justice system isn't equipped to help women in these situations get justice.

What do you suggest?

 

[DiscoJer]

The most astonishing and disgusting thing about this is apparently he had a button installed in his office that would lock the door from the inside preventing women from leaving.

Why on Earth would NBC consent to installing something like that in an office? It has no good uses.

There needs to be a criminal investigation here.

 

[Rocket Number 22]

The most astonishing and disgusting thing about this is apparently he had a button installed in his office that would lock the door from the inside preventing women from leaving.

Why on Earth would NBC consent to installing something like that in an office? It has no good uses.

There needs to be a criminal investigation here.

That sort of thing is used for offices where there person doesn't have a secretary, it locks and unlocks. Primary use is for when you are on the phone and need to ensure you might not be overheard etc which would be why a news agency has it....but as far as i know he wasn't an active journalist so....yeah creep as fuck

 

[BlindMan94]

Vox has a piece up about Lauer's scumbaggy interview with Anne Hathaway in 2012. I faintly remember that, I think that's when I learned that Lauer was an asshole. For some reason I didn't think of that when this news broke today, though.

https://www.vox.com/culture/2017/11...r-anne-hathaway-2012-sexism-sexual-harassment

It still blows my mind that the year of #MeToo is the year Donald Trump of all fucking people, who admitted he could never be president because of his treatment of women, won the election against a woman who is light years beyond him in character, competence and qualifications. And then conservatives run their mouths about sexual predators being mostly 'leftists' after putting a known and admitted serial sexual predator like that in the WH. Imagine being that clueless.

Its even more mindboggling when you reflect that many of the male journalists who pushed EMAILZ and harshly judged Clinton have subsequently been caught up in sexual harassment and abuse charges.

 

[llien]

Thank heavens we got posters like you quick to point out the true problems in this topic: people calling each other idiots.

That what bothered me most in this thread, sorry if that means to you that I'm a bad person.

 

[Dunki]

Roger Ailes ran Fox News before being ousted and Bill O'Reilly was their biggest star for like a decade. Lets not also mention the other like half dozen or so people at Fox News who were ousted over sexual harassment.

Ok Sorry then. I stand corrected. Still the amount of so called male feminists who were accused and fired because of it is quite high IMO.

 

[base]

You guys complain about sexual offenders, but keep posting in this forum, owned by a sexual offender.

Hypocrites.

Got any evidence?

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Give me a break. There's more than enough credible information to give Matt the boot.

All of these newscasters, entertainers, and politicians talking about Trump when they have no moral high ground to stand on. People have looked the other way, covered incidents up, and retaliated against the victims. Now all the dirty laundry is coming out. And we can clearly see sexual harassment and assault is an epidemic in the US.

Oh, please. Even if sexual misconduct was even more prevalent then we know it is among all walks of life, there is no rationale behind discrediting the vast majority of voices rightfully calling that piece of shit out for his constant irresponsible, ugly and bizarre behavior.

What I bolded in your post is a contender for the most ridiculous statement in this thread, and that is a bold statement.

Its even more mindboggling when you reflect that many of the male journalists who pushed EMAILZ and harshly judged Clinton have subsequently been caught up in sexual harassment and abuse charges.

It was obvious what Lauer was doing in the debate, he was blatantly sexist towards Clinton. He had shown a pattern of disrespecting women in interviews long before his debate 'performance', and now we know the depths of his apparently criminal behavior. Lauer was just the latest patriarchal asshole she had to endure throughout her career having to endure these types of assholes. She had to deal with Donald Trump and Matt Lauer, after all these years of rising above sexist shitheels like them. I hope my kids grow up to be as courageous as Hillary Clinton.

 

[llien]

Report Claims Matt Lauer Gave Sex Toy, Exposed Himself To Female Employees

A report from Variety, which the outlet said was the result of a two-month-long investigation into Lauer’s behavior, said the “Today” host once gave a colleague an explicit note and sex toy. Lauer also reportedly showed his penis to a female employee in his office at NBC, and had quizzed female producers in the office about whom they’d slept with.

Three women told Variety that they were victims of sexual harassment by Lauer.

Variety interviewed dozens of current and former staffers at NBC as part of their investigation.

“Their stories have been corroborated by friends or colleagues that they told at the time. They have asked for now to remain unnamed, fearing professional repercussions,” the publication reported.

Since Lauer’s firing on Wednesday, NBC has received at least two more complaints about the TV host, an unnamed source told The New York Times.

One of the complaints came from a former employee, who asked not to have her name published. The woman told the Times that, in 2001, Lauer had summoned her to his office and had sex with her. She felt powerless, fearing repercussions for her career, and didn’t report it at the time because she felt ashamed.

“We can say unequivocally, that, prior to Monday night, current NBC News management was never made aware of any complaints about Matt Lauer’s conduct,” an NBC spokesperson said in a statement.


According to the Variety report, Lauer had an office in a secluded area, as he was apparently “paranoid about being followed by tabloid reporters.”

In the office, he had a button under his desk, which the report said “allowed him to lock his door from the inside without getting up.” Two women who said they were sexually harassed by Lauer told the outlet that the button allowed him to initiate inappropriate contact without others seeing nor being aware of what was happening.

Employees at “Today” told Variety that at least one of the show’s anchors would gossip about stories she’d heard pertaining to Lauer’s behavior.

Source (huff post)

 

[jayhawker]

Hey look, the good evidence led to other good evidence. Good thing no one dismissed the first accuser's story as mere hearsay when it wasn't.

 

[aaronsan]

Could you stop with personal insults please.
I know mods are sleeping, but still.

Yes! Blood Borne just insulted all on the left, it wasn't personal! Don't fight back!

 

[aaronsan]

Got any evidence?

Also, says the guy also posting in the forum owned by the supposed sex offender. Right-wingers don't do irony XD they ARE irony.

 

[Wolfgunblood Garopa]

Yes! Blood Borne just insulted all on the left, it wasn't personal! Don't fight back!

Conservatives wait in line to vote for sexual offenders, but think all liberals in office who are currently and who may in the future be embroiled in sexual misconduct allegations should promptly resign.

 

[NYCrooner]

Another one down. Lots of job openings in the entertainment business right now...

Russell Simmons Steps Down From Companies Following Sexual Assault Allegation

 

[Mister Apoc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=7&v=06BLwc1XSis

 

[i-Lo]

The reports... Jeez what a fucking entitled creep. Good riddance.

 

[mckmas8808]

there you go guys, hes actually a predator you can stop defending him

It's sad how some guy's first reaction is to downplay what happened and want to defend a potential sexually abuser.

 

[Meh3D]

The reports... Jeez what a fucking entitled creep. Good riddance.

It’s quite shocking when you look at his on air persona. That story about the button is nuts.