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Megadeth vs Metallica - The Metal Wars I

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Well, after reading some posts in the Metallica Countdown thread, I figured this would be a really fun thread(and also help keep that thread a countdown thread). Sure we could throw in Antrax, Sayer, Exodus, Testament....but these two bands have more of a rivalry with each other.

Do you think Metallica would still be "great" is they kept Mustaine?
Do you think Megadeth deserves just as much popularity and fame a Metallica(in terms of being a "household name")?
Who's fucken better??


OK those are just random questions to get the battle, or um.... war rolling...

Personally I feel that, especially now, Megadeth keeps a much more thrashy sound then Metallica has since Puppets. AND Megadeth was very successful at being able to properly re-create the sound of one of their best albums, Rust in Peace, with United Abominations in both instrumental sound and lyrical meaning. Sure, Megadeth had its period of somewhat suckiness, but they still kept it metal, something Metallica completely steered away from. Not only that, but it seems that Metallica just doesn't really care anymore. They pretty much know whatever they release is going to sell, so its like they don't really put forth the effort like they used to. Or they just can't. I need to admit that probably the only one in Metallica with real talent is James, he creates the majority of the riffs and lyrics...Lars can't play his instrument worth shit anymore(or ever lol), and Kirk, well I love how if there's no wha his solos sound bland usually....but at least they have a real bassist again. Also, Mustaine is just a great guitarist, and it seems that he loves what he does a lot more than anyone from Metallica...
 
well i'm gonna basically quote myself from the other thread

holy wars.....the punishment due shits on metallica's entire catalog of music, therefore megadeth >>> metallica
 
If Mustaine stayed in Metallica, more people than just Cliff would be dead.

Yes, Metallica would have been better, but then we would not have the joys of Megadeth.
 
Megadeth's biggest drawback has always been Mustaine's voice. I'd rather hear cats fuck than listen to his screeching. However, James's voice also sucks now. Megadeth has always had them beat in musicianship. Marty Friedman is all that needs to be said. Marty Friedman is one of my favorite all time guitarists and I enjoy his solo albums immensely. Kirk isn't even good enough to be his roadie.

However, with all that said, I prefer Metallica. Nothing Megadeth put out can compare to Metallica's Big Three (RTL, MoP, ...AJFA). RIP is really the only truly great album in Megadeth's catalog, and while it has some outstanding songs (Holy Wars is one of the greatest thrash anthems and metal songs in general ever), it is not enough to top those albums.
 
Lately though I've been on a Pantera binge and would much rather listen to them than both of those bands. Live 101 Proof!
 
agrajag said:
Lately though I've been on a Pantera binge and would much rather listen to them than both of those bands. Live 101 Proof!
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dave mustaine used to always claim that a band that goes my the spanish name for panther ripped off his riffs, i wonder who he was referring to

funny that dave also tried out dimebag for the lead on RIP before marty, but w/e
 
jimmbow said:
This is only the first war my friend, only the first......
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well maiden vs metallica wouldnt be much of a battle

judas priest vs iron maiden would be much more appropriate, a true clash of metal gods
 
I vote MEGADETH. I've always preferred Mustaine's political ravings and overall style. Plus he is the best guitarist in either band.
JCtheMC said:
Can't we agree that both haven't made a relevant record in almost 20 years?
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No. The System Has Failed and United Abominations are both great metal albums.
 
yacobod said:
dave mustaine used to always claim that a band that goes my the spanish name for panther ripped off his riffs, i wonder who he was referring to

funny that dave also tried out dimebag for the lead on RIP before marty, but w/e
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If Pantera ripped off any band it was Exhorder and definitely not Megadeth. Mustardstain just has an enormous ego, comparable in vastness to james hetfield's bar tabs, i would imagine (before he went all pussy). Dimebag was a million times the guitarist Mustaine was. Jeff Loomis tried out for Megadeth before Marty too, and look at him now. I'm so glad he didn't get the gig, Nevermore might have never existed.
 
The first 4 Metallica albums are accessible and extreme at the same time. "Master of Puppets" and "Ride the Lightning" are masterpieces of the genre for sure.
Megadeth are a little more straightforward speedmetal while Metallica sound much heavier to me.
That's how I like it.

The arrangements of Metallica sound more interesting (in my ears at least). Also the band members are charismatic. Cliff was great and Kirk is kind of funny :D

The war between Megadeth and Metallica fans on some sites is just stupid, though.
 
Honestly MT was just so good in their heyday, MD can't touch ride the lightning, master of puppets era Metallica. Megadeth has always been inconsistent with their album quality.
 
Kill 'Em All Metallica was the shit too though--contained a certain craziness that Megadeth seemed to prolong past them. Pretty much everything before/up to when Cliff died was dope.
 
This isn't even my main genre of music, but after a while Metallica just sucked. And Lar's whole reacting to the music piracy thing just turned me off to them in general. Megadeath was/has been far more solid overall.

But fuck it....................DeathKlock +1 :D
 
DieNgamers said:
The first 4 Metallica albums are accessible.

fixed for you.


Megadeth are a little more straightforward speedmetal while Metallica sound much heavier to me.

the opposite is actually true, megadeth has more complex arrangements in most of their albums

The arrangements of Metallica sound more interesting (in my ears at least).

to the ears of a simpleton
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=D
 
PrinceAdam said:
Honestly MT was just so good in their heyday, MD can't touch ride the lightning, master of puppets era Metallica. Megadeth has always been inconsistent with their album quality.
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Well, Megadeth has put out more albums. And lately, Megadeth has the edge in consistency...

I'd put Rust in Peace above any single Metallica album.
 
yacobod said:
well i'm gonna basically quote myself from the other thread

holy wars.....the punishment due shits on metallica's entire catalog of music, therefore megadeth >>> metallica
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I'm going to agree with this one. Rust in Peace beats out Metallica's entire discography (though I really couldn't care less about Megadeth's other albums).
 
Metallica

I fucking love Rust in Peace but Metallica's 1980s portfolio is just plain fucking awesome. And I think Kill Em All and Rust in Peace are tied for my favorite album in this genre. After that, I like other Metallica albums a lot and Megadeth ones not so much.
 
I love both bands. In a way it's a good thing Mustaine was booted from Metallica, if he wasn't then we wouldn't have gotten Megadeth.

As far as which band I prefer, I'll take any of Metallica's first five albums
(yes that includes the black album)
over any Megadeth album. Opinions, assholes, etc.
 
yacobod said:
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Get off your high horse, man. I listen to bands that make both Metallica and Megadeth sound like cavemen with sticks, who cares? People have their preferences, you're not going to force anyone to submit to your tastes, although I suspect that your posts are nothing more than e-viagra for your e-peen.
 
agrajag said:
I listen to bands that make both Metallica and Megadeth sound like cavemen with sticks
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Yes, this is why I like them, especially Megadeth and early Metallica. Throw in Slayer too for the hell of it. Savage cavemen fucking shit up not giving a fuck. All about what mood I'm in. ;-)
 
Teddman said:
Well, Megadeth has put out more albums. And lately, Megadeth has the edge in consistency...

I'd put Rust in Peace above any single Metallica album.
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Yeah, but In both bands prime Metallica was definitely better. Sure these days Megadeth is on top (still a shadow of their former selves though), But those first three Metallica albums are unmatchable. Despite Megadeth's amazing Instrumental proficiency Metallica's music (usually) sounded better.

Rust in peace is really fucking good, I would take Ride over it. But hey maybe thats just personal opinion.
 
bob_arctor said:
Yes, this is why I like them, especially Megadeth and early Metallica. Throw in Slayer too for the hell of it. Savage cavemen fucking shit up not giving a fuck. All about what mood I'm in. ;-)
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I was talking about arrangement complexity. There are bands that are more brutal than both yet write more complex music. Yet aren't nearly as complex as, say, an Allan Holdsworth composition.
 
yacobod said:
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Your opinion :P
Simplicity is not a bad thing. It's not like the songs get boring after the second listen. Compare The four horsemen to the mechanix. Mustaine wrote it but the two version really have their own qualities. Metallicas sounds heavier while the Megadeth one is much faster. I prefer heavy but I like both versions. Matter of preference.
 
Megadeth easily. I still listen to Megadeth on a weekly basis whereas I can't remember the last time I listened to Metallica.

Rust In Peace > Every Metallica album
 
Megadeth on the strength of Rust In Peace alone.
Every riff, the song compositions, and the fucking GODLY solos from Marty Friedman easily beats out anything Metallica's done.

thats not to say So Far...So Good...So What, and Peace Sells weren't good either. They were just overshadowed. Take a listen to it again and listen to the amazing riffs. Metallica riffs really didn't make any sense to me. Megadeth's was more graceful, catchy, and fun to play.
 
Metallica was the considerably better band if you look at both of their primes. Marty Friedman is the only real thing that Megadeth has ever had going for it. Granted, that's a huge thing, since Marty is fucking awesome. But they still don't measure up overall to Metallica, a band that was completely incapable of doing anything less than absolutely stellar during the entirety of the 1980s.
 
Someone cue up Mustaine fucking crying in Some Kind of Monster. Thrash gods don't CRY!!:lol

mustaine: HAVE YOU EVER IMAGINED WHAT IVE BEEN THROUGH (cries)
lars: yea, like i thought about whether or not what we did was fair
mustaine: no, have you ever thought about how I FELT ABOUT THIS. ITS LIKE, every time i walk down the street, some asshole yells at me "metallica rules" to mock me. like, i just couldnt understand why everything you guys did was gold and everything i did backfired (keep in mind megadeth sold over 20 million records worldwide).

then he goes on to cry about what he would do to wake up again and be able to choose to get clean and stay with metallica and about how he misses lars being his "little danish buddy". (mustaine was crying through the whole interview)


Also:

http://www.askdavemustaine.com/
 
agrajag said:
Get off your high horse, man. I listen to bands that make both Metallica and Megadeth sound like cavemen with sticks, who cares? People have their preferences, you're not going to force anyone to submit to your tastes, although I suspect that your posts are nothing more than e-viagra for your e-peen.
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lol, get trolled more :lol
 
Higgy said:
Someone cue up Mustaine fucking crying in Some Kind of Monster. Thrash gods don't CRY!!:lol

mustaine: HAVE YOU EVER IMAGINED WHAT IVE BEEN THROUGH (cries)
lars: yea, like i thought about whether or not what we did was fair
mustaine: no, have you ever thought about how I FELT ABOUT THIS. ITS LIKE, every time i walk down the street, some asshole yells at me "metallica rules" to mock me. like, i just couldnt understand why everything you guys did was gold and everything i did backfired (keep in mind megadeth sold over 20 million records worldwide).

then he goes on to cry about what he would do to wake up again and be able to choose to get clean and stay with metallica and about how he misses lars being his "little danish buddy". (mustaine was crying through the whole interview)


Also:

http://www.askdavemustaine.com/
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If you listen to the commentary on SKOM dvd, lars tells the story of driving mustaine somewhere after that interview, and the radio turned on and metallica was blasting on the station, then they changed it and another metallica song was on. If it was true thats pretty funny. :lol

Anyway, like I said somewhere else, mustaine doesn't have that feud against metallica anymore. Right after Dimebag died, he ended all the bs between them supposedly.

Overall, Metallica by far although St anger was pretty bad. The system has failed was awesome, but I found united abominations insanely boring.

Plus metallica is way more badass live.
 
Metallica are legends of the genre. (scratch that, they're legends of music period.)

While Megadeth is just another band (albeit a great one).
 
Between both bands, I think that Rust in Peace is the best album. However, the next best 4 albums would be Master of Puppets, ...And Justice for All, Ride the Lightning, and Kill 'Em all (in no particular order).
 
Well, as one who doesn't understand a whole lot about the subject, i always get the feeling that Metallica are a bit more "MTV" and Megadeth are a bit more raw, a bit more true to heavy metal than Metallica.

But that's just an opinion, by just looking at the surface.
 
Higgy said:
Someone cue up Mustaine fucking crying in Some Kind of Monster. Thrash gods don't CRY!!:lol
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That's the power of having final cut on the movie. Supposedly Lars ran crying from the room after Mustaine ripped him a new one later on in the therapy session, but it was left on the cutting room floor. Mustaine posted a long rant on his site about it and is no longer friends with him because of the editing, it also prompted the scathing "Something I'm Not" track on System Has Failed.
 
Cerrius said:
Metallica are legends of the genre. (scratch that, they're legends of music period.)

While Megadeth is just another band (albeit a great one).
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This is true. Metallica's popularity alone in their prime was huge.
 
I'd say that Metallica has put out way more great albums than Megadeth has but Rust in Peace is a fucking amazing piece of music. Personally I would rank it high above anything Metallica has released but I do acknowledge that Metallica's big albums were amazing in their own right and did a lot to progress the genre.
 
I like them both. As a huge metal fan though Mustaine's voice really kills the band for me. As another poster said, I'd rather listen to cats fuck then mustaine screech.

stealth edit: nice to see a lot of hockey fans supporting metal. they go together so well.
 
My favorite Megadeth album is So Far So Good So What. The raw crazy energy it has is cool.


Both Ride the Lighting and Master of Puppets are incredible albums.



I like both bands as well as other stuff like Ozzy with Randy Rhoades on guitar (Diary of a Madman, Over the Mountain, Suicide Solution, Flying High Again, Crazy Train, Mr. Crowley, and I don't know) & Van Halen (Unchained, Here About it Later, Don't Tell me what love can do, Mean Streets, Dirty Movies, Women in Love, Ain't Talkin bout Love and so on).
 
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