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Metal Gear Rising or Devil May Cry?
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toastyToast
Member
Maybe DMC2
I like the DMC franchise but a huge problem I have with it is the gating of the combat system. I wish the game would just let me play, the first time through I always feel gimped as shit. The type of shit you see in the combo videos that everyone loves so much is with either 2-3 runs through the main game or, a whole lot of grinding for red orbs/proud souls. With the combat system being the meat and potatoes of the franchise it's plain idiotic.
Other games like Bayo and MGR to an extent, feel a lot better the first time you pick up the controller.
phosphor112
Banned
Indeed I did.
If you can provide legitimate complaints that don't regard the design or change of Dante, I'll hear you out, but often I never hear any of those legitimate complaints. Feel free to discuss those if you'd like, but I presented my case about why DmC is better as a game.
That would be the one thing DmC actually manages to be better than. Which says very little.Maybe DMC2
That's really not something to be proud of.
NT's take on Dante is the least of this game's problems, and I, as well as many other people on this board, have said what's wrong with this game on countless occasions only for people in favor of the game to dismiss them as "haters gonna hate". The weak enemy design (and the ridiculous color-coded ones), the poorly handled boss fights, the lack of difficulty, the hold trigger to style switch nonsense carried over from Heavenly Sword...all brought up in the past. The fact that the game only turned out as well as it did thanks to Capcom Japan holding their hands the whole way doesn't bode well at all. Sound effects, from gunfire to hit effects, were weak and sounded completely off, and the music was terrible. The animations were poor and clunky, and none of the hits had any sense of impact. Wasn't fond of the voice-acting, either (Dante always sounded mumbly and bored, and it reflected poorly on Vergil being a character using a Japanese sword with a name that he couldn't even pronounce). Art direction is more subjective, but I personally didn't care for the oversaturation, and wasn't impressed by the They Live and Inception mimicry.
One of the primary reasons why NT were chosen was for the sake of writing a better story and better characters, yet it's easily the worst thing to come out of the company in that regard (generally attributed to being the only one they've written themselves). Their take on Dante isn't as bad as the promotional material made him out to be, yet at the same time, he was neither exceptional nor interesting as a character, having no real direction or agency beyond doing whatever Vergil and Kat tell him. They also tried way too hard to make him seem cool with how many women he has sex with. Vergil was someone who was just as weak and ineffectual as a character as he was a fighter, and he was completely helpless without Dante. Kat was just the typical female companion who gives the male lead directions so common in gaming...nothing particularly noteworthy. The corrupt CEO thing with Mundus wasn't particularly fascinating, and it's still unclear why he would care so much about having an heir, let alone about
losing it via that tasteless sniper rifle abortion scene
Overall, no memorable dialogue or cutscenes beyond the now infamous "Fuck you!" scene. Just a dull, humorless reimagination with a dark and gritty focus, that doesn't even play as well as its predecessors.
If I were to be honest, I found what was done to Sparda with their take much more insulting than their Dante: a weakling with no regard for humans at all, who hid from Mundus before getting stepped on by him instead of suppressing him and his entire army. He was no Legendary Dark Knight...he was a joke.
Ah, one more thing to mention: the excessive emphasis on platforming. It was already the weakest aspect of even the original games, and making it such a major focus here was a poor decision.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
It's designed for multiple play-throughs really and the same can be said of Bayonetta and MGR since you don't get everything your first play-through and have to replay on higher difficulties to get certain weapons.
PeterVenkman
Member
Bait. This post is awful
Indignation
Neo Member
Metal Gear Rising hands down. Though I have to admit I haven't played all DMC games and am a huge Metal Gear fan just in general. I did try the HD collection but the first DMC had aged very poorly so I didn't really go longer than 30min
Not Spaceghost
Spaceghost
DmC wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be but Rising all the way. MGRR was seriously the biggest thrill ride I have ever had with a video game.
It's short, like 5 hours of gameplay total and ~7 hours with cutscenes but you will replay it over and over and over. At least I did, I went through the game twice on each difficulty basically. The VR missions will give you a good challenge even if they do feel like bullshit haha.
It's short, like 5 hours of gameplay total and ~7 hours with cutscenes but you will replay it over and over and over. At least I did, I went through the game twice on each difficulty basically. The VR missions will give you a good challenge even if they do feel like bullshit haha.
YouEnjoyMySelf
Banned
"Fuck all these limp-dick lawyers and chicken-shit bureaucrats. Fuck this 24/7 internet spew of trivia and bullshit. Fuck American pride, fuck the media. Fuck all of it!"
Yea, MGR.
Yea, MGR.
phosphor112
Banned
I presented an argument, and you disregard the whole post as "bait" and "awful" because I call out something that has happened to DmC. Hell, a lot of people even hate MGR because it is some sort of "bastardization" of the Metal Gear universe. What people don't realize is that if they remember, for one second, that it's not a "MG Solid" game but instead a spin off, that it's pretty good.
Same goes for DmC. People need to look past the new character and play the game. In my opinion, DmC is on top.
too easy, no challenge on any difficulty, stupid enemies, even easier and subpar bosses, gimps you against enemies, which is already gimped gameplay wise, stupid ass missions like A to B platforming, and escort mission, horrible characters and super serious story that is just plain horrible, at least previous DMC stories where cheesy, but they are entertaining and makes you care about the characters for the most part, subpar VA work, no cutscene wire-fu.
PeterVenkman
Member
everyone has looked past the new Dante. You made a huge generalization followed by come at me . If you think no one has legit complaints go read the OT instead of trying to stir shit up. You post was bad .
Personally, DMC.
I found the combat to be deeper and more satifying than MGR and the production design is terrific.
I found the gameplay for MGR to be a tad repetitive and boring after a while. Don't get me wrong, it was still a pretty fun game, but I found it to be lacking a bit.
I found the combat to be deeper and more satifying than MGR and the production design is terrific.
I found the gameplay for MGR to be a tad repetitive and boring after a while. Don't get me wrong, it was still a pretty fun game, but I found it to be lacking a bit.
Which Devil May Cry? If it's the originals go for DMC3 or 4. If you're talking about the Ninja Theory abortion, go with Metal Gear Rising.
The bolded parts of this post are factually incorrect presumptive bullshit. Troll bait post is troll bait.
There are threads on GAF that are chock full of DMC veterans that have made extremely long, detailed, and specific posts about what is wrong with DmC. Not a single one of the primary complaints has anything to do with the character.
The bolded parts of this post are factually incorrect presumptive bullshit. Troll bait post is troll bait.
There are threads on GAF that are chock full of DMC veterans that have made extremely long, detailed, and specific posts about what is wrong with DmC. Not a single one of the primary complaints has anything to do with the character.
Allonym
There should be more tampons in gaming
I repeat there is no action game as good as DMC3 and there is no action game that matches the atmosphere of DMC1. Buy the HD collection and die a happy man(or woman). You will not regret your decision. I have MGR and honestly I'm having trouble finding a compelling reason to pick it up again, although I greatly enjoyed the demo.
Back on topic though, Nelo Angelo is the best boss fight in an action game bar none!
Back on topic though, Nelo Angelo is the best boss fight in an action game bar none!
CambriaRising
Member
You just don't get it. The most fervent detractors of the game here on gaf have played it more than you and many other people ever will. The combat system is just not as good as MGR's or the other DMC games.
DigitalDevilSummoner
zero cognitive reasoning abilities
This is blatant bullshit and your posts are blind flame bait.
Raiden is taken as is from MGS 4.
Air Zombie Meat
Member
Here you go:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=46303048&postcount=620
Dahbomb got so tired of explaining them that he ended up including some of them in a faq. And those are only a few examples. Would love to see you address some of those complaints but of course, you won't.
toastyToast
Member
Bayonetta with no upgrades feels great. A few hours into the game, you've already got a few weapons available and maybe crow/panther. A whole bunch of options already. None of the DMCs come close to that. Sure there has more unlockables, but you've got the gist of the game already. DMC doesn't give you the gist until you've played it twice.
Pureauthor
Member
Seriously, this is a huge complaint with the DMC games. For fuck's sake, you don't even get to start with Stinger/Streak.
bone_and_sinew
breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
The reason why this doesn't bother me is because when playing a DMC game, I view DMD as the real playthrough, the real test of my abilities, the real evaluation of the game's combat system. The first two difficulties are scrimmages before the big game. Bayonetta's NSIC was actually a disappointment in this regard.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
I suppose that is fair but that applies to MGR on higher difficulties as well. It's a clean run with no upgrades on one of the higher difficulties is extremely inefficient with the remixed enemy encounters.
They're cheap enough to be bought after the first or second mission, not a huge deal IMO.
Masterphoenix
Neo Member
DmC it was pretty fun, large combos (if you're into that kinda thing) great artwork. Take into consideration i haven't played MGR.
AgentLampshade
Member
Throw another vote in for MGR. Even if DmC didn't bastardise a franchise, it's a mediocre game overall, with some of the worst bosses I've seen in recent years. And when the only memorable lines are the bad ones, then there's a problem.
Also, do you like dubstep, or hard metal? Because MGR has an incredible soundtrack that plays like the game. A fast-paced battlefield of guitars that get you right in the mood.
Also, do you like dubstep, or hard metal? Because MGR has an incredible soundtrack that plays like the game. A fast-paced battlefield of guitars that get you right in the mood.
Various Artists
Banned
Also check out bayonetta. That is action perfected.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
Yeah, I'd recommend this overall since it's my favorite game of the generation with MGR leading behind it.
Metaledgeking
Neo Member
MGR hands down.
I've played it and it isn't as bad as fans make it out to be. BUT, there's no way in hell it's better than MGR in terms of crazy action.
Also, the combat in DmC is inferior to DMC3 and 4, which is a big reason why people don't like it. "Hurr Durr fans hate it because of the new character", I can't stand it when people act as if that is the only reason why DmC doesn't live up to it's namesake.
Dolphin_Butter
Member
Played both, enjoyed both. DmC.
Wait for Steam Sale.
Can pick up both DMC3 and 4 for $5 by the next sale. It was $7.50 this sale, but the price will continually drop.
DMC3 is a notoriously bad port, but the issues can be fixed with some tweaks. WSGF for widescreen, Xpadder for your controller, and you will be running 1080p/120fps in no time!
Can pick up both DMC3 and 4 for $5 by the next sale. It was $7.50 this sale, but the price will continually drop.
DMC3 is a notoriously bad port, but the issues can be fixed with some tweaks. WSGF for widescreen, Xpadder for your controller, and you will be running 1080p/120fps in no time!
hey_it's_that_dog
benevolent sexism
Your use of "legimate" is just an out to say "I disagree" and ignore whatever is said. DmC experts have written pages and pages of their impressions, and within those impressions there are many "legitimate" complaints about the game's design that have nothing to do with the superficial qualities of the main character. I don't really care which game you like better. That's not my issue. But the instant you trot out "haters haven't played it!" and "they just don't like the character redesign" your opinion becomes worthless.
Your use of the phrase "often I never..." is an illogical construction that demonstrates you don't know how to argue in the first place, and so you shouldn't be trusted to have adequately evaluated opposing positions based on their merits.
Mass Effect
Member
Don't even bother. He'll just keep "conveniently" keep ignoring posts trying to explain the problems and keep going on about it while simultaneously relegating those with valid criticisms as "haters."
But on-topic. Unless you're getting the DMC HD collection, go MGR all the way. Get DmC when it's $5 used.
It's only $12.73 on Amazon. MGR still goes for around $30-35, though Best Buy recently had a deal for $20 if you were also buying the Legacy Collection.
toastyToast
Member
I've got no problem with that at all. All I was highlighting with my initial post was the fact that DMC games tend to come into there own on successive playthroughs. MGR was very enjoyable the first time through, however, in part due to a simpler, more honed combat system. In an immediate satisfaction respect, MGR is gonna be my recommendation.
phosphor112
Banned
You're right. But I'm not looking at it as a fan of DmC or Platinum Games, I'm looking it as someone who played both and thought one was better.
You think I don't know that? I've seen people on forums AND in real life dismiss the game because of the premise of the game. It's canon to the MG series, but apparently the "new raiden" doesn't jive with some people. I'm just saying it's stupid that those people do that.
I don't see any problem here. A lot of it is just general FAQ. I suppose the "hard lock" is the only legitimate concern, but the game is still really good. Hell, he even says it.
I suppose if OP only had a console, then one can argue that MGR is a lot better than DmC because of the framerate. I never played the console version, so I don't know, but OP never noted which version.
I was never a fan of the "Style" system. Probably because I'm not as good as the "fans" but most people aren't, even those who do like the genre. I found the Heaven and Hell system much more approachable, and even more fun.
Anyway, a lot of people are disregarding that I said that MGR is easier to have fun in because the combat is more straight forward. There is no platforming either, allowing one to just get straight into the combat.
NaughtyPrawn
Member
As I mentioned in an earlier post I've played both the older Dmc games and bayoneta which are fantastic. I'm definitely leaning towards MGR at the moment though.
When I'm home from work later going to read through this thread again before making my decision.
Sadly I can't afford both.
When I'm home from work later going to read through this thread again before making my decision.
Sadly I can't afford both.
As someone who played Rising and DmC back-to-back, get Rising.
DmC is fun, but Rising is fantastic.
On the other hand, I think I would've enjoyed DmC more if I played it first, because as I was playing it I was just constantly thinking how Rising did a lot of the same things better.
The best comparison I can make are the bosses. Rising's bosses are some of the best I've played in years, while most of DmC's bosses are lazy and sloppily designed.
DmC is fun, but Rising is fantastic.
On the other hand, I think I would've enjoyed DmC more if I played it first, because as I was playing it I was just constantly thinking how Rising did a lot of the same things better.
The best comparison I can make are the bosses. Rising's bosses are some of the best I've played in years, while most of DmC's bosses are lazy and sloppily designed.
No comment on DmC since I have yet to play it, but MGR is very good.
I'd rank MGR slightly above Bayonetta, since the former is better structured for score-attack play (something very important to me). Outside of that, Bayonetta looks and feels more polished overall. It's a real shame Platinum wasn't given more time to give MGR the same level of polish.
I'd rank MGR slightly above Bayonetta, since the former is better structured for score-attack play (something very important to me). Outside of that, Bayonetta looks and feels more polished overall. It's a real shame Platinum wasn't given more time to give MGR the same level of polish.
phosphor112
Banned
If you like Bayo more, get MGR.
BLACK AMERICAN PSYCHO
Junior Member
Watch him ignore this post
bone_and_sinew
breaking down barriers in gratuitous nudity
If you like good combat and honing your skills with multiple plays, Revengeance.
If you want an average but disposable after one playthrough easy game, DmC.
Only in being a cyborg ninja. In terms of characterization, he's far different from the emo, "woe is me" Gray Fox carbon copy that he was in MGS4. Building upon what was alluded to in MGS2, he went from turning his back on his past to embracing it to become far stronger in MGR.
The people who consider MGR or its take on Raiden to be bastardizations tend to conveniently ignore what Metal Gear is actually like, perceiving it to be so much more prestigious than what is actually the case.
AngelsDontBurn
Banned
Wow really? I thought Bayonetta was WAY over MGR. I felt like MGR had a ton of parts that were simply missing that solid Platinum polish. You're right though, it's a real shame.
This is a dumb summary of both games. DmC's combat factually offers far more variety, options and combo opportunities than MGR. At higher difficulties MGR is all about trial and error more than anything else, as anyone who has the platinum trophy will attest to.