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Metal Gear Solid 3. 10 Years. Does it have to be one or the other - love or hate?

It's the best MGS, revolutionary survival game features(i am still hoping we'll see something similar in TPP), perfect balance between story and gameplay.

My favorite is MGS2, but that's a personal opinion, that game is art and by that Kojima expressed us his modern vision of the world.
 
Love or hate? I thought that was for MGS2 and 4. MGS3 is a pretty decent game. Cute story too.

Camo is ok, works fine enough. Now that healing system was unnecessary and gimmicky. Stamina system seemed useless and just there to annoy the player. All in all, still the best game with MGS on the title.

Now, the best Metal Gear game is MG2. Kojima never surpassed that.
 
Fantastic game.

I've been playing through the series for the first time over the past months, and I still can't decide whether I like MGS1 or MGS3 the most so far. (Everything done but PW/GZ).

MGS3 has the deeper story, but MGS1 has this 'classic and simple' feel about it that I just absolutely love.

MGS4 on the other hand... the cutscenes are extremely well done and I didn't have a lot of issues with the game play, but the story... that damn story....
 
Masterpiece. The only thing that I wish was changed a bit in the HD re-releases was an option for tweaked controls since thats the one thing that didnt age too well. A bit more like Peace Walker (or MGS3D for that matter).

Aside from that MGS is one of the best games ever made and, by far, my favorite MGS game ever.

I thought MGS2 was the one you loved or hated. In hindsight I grew to love it over time, especially after MGS4 clarified many questions, but back then it left me a sour taste in my mouth.
 
Love or hate? I thought that was for MGS2 and 4. MGS3 is a pretty decent game. Cute story too.

Camo is ok, works fine enough. Now that healing system was unnecessary and gimmicky. Stamina system seemed useless and just there to annoy the player. All in all, still the best game with MGS on the title.

Now, the best Metal Gear game is MG2. Kojima never surpassed that.

errrr hipster alert...? You cannot possibly say this with a straight face!

Name one thing MG2 definitely did way better than other MGS did later. Especially MGS1 which in many ways was MG2 with better story and graphics.
 
MGS3 was the first Metal Gear game I actually owned and since playing it I'm well and truly on the Metal Gear bandwagon. I'd heard good things about the series before, but I never would've expected MGS3 to be such a deep game, in its mechanics, gameplay scenarios, boss fights and plot. The ending emotionally destroyed me, and remains as one of the most memorable endings to a game I've ever played.

LOVE from me!
 
I disagree with this. It is a good game but nothing more, and I really don't see how it compares to so many other titles out there. As far as Metal Gear goes, it is certainly my favourite

You're not welcome here.

I'm joking.
 
Best Metal Gear ever

clearly the one that Kojima always wanted to make (at least feels like a true passion project to his cinematic and themes sensibilities)

hopefully Phantom Pain is its true successor (I did not like Peace Walker's design)

also, first big game I finished in one sitting
 
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I agree, one of the best MGS that i have ever played
 
The best Metal Gear Solid, with the first being second best. (Note that I've only played parts of 4 thus far, and never got into Peacewalker.)
 
It was very very good, but definitely not the best game of all time. Best story in the series though.

It's mostly the poor controls that let it down hugely I think, they definitely weren't good in a post-Splinter Cell stealth game. Crouching / Standing and sticking to walls was an absolute nightmare.
 
MGS3 was actually the first Metal Gear solid I liked and got weird over learning the alternate world war krazy Kojima plot.

MGS2/4 are zzz. 3 still holds up today.
 
MGS1 was my favorite game until MGS2 came along. 3 I think I enjoy more for the reasons I listed but 2 was fucking crazy, and people at the time couldn't appreciate it. Anyone who seriously loves some of the MGS games but hates the others needs to calm down. They're all incredible. (I haven't played much of 4, PW, or 5.)

No they are not all incredible. The series has been retconed to hell and back and Kojima gives no fuck about it. So called fans don't even realize it but continue to say things like"kojima is a god!" and all i can do is shake my head .

Though MGS2 is good in some areas, it also time and time again takes a shit on MGS1 which i consider to be the pinnacle in the series with Metal Gear SS coming a second. Right there and then the series took a dive in respect and with each passing game in the series it only shows that it needs a reboot to truly gain go back to it's glory days.
 
One of the greatest game ever made, best ending ever for sure and easily the best MGS so far.

The game is the last MGS to have a criticism of the American system and I wonder if this is thanks to Tomokazu Fukushima who left after MGS3. Indeed, PO, PW, MGS4 and so on, all lost this theme in favor of personal stories between characters, more like MG and MG2, and none of them was written as good as the ones Fukushima took part in.

But what I love most is how the player build Snake, killing all the emotions and going, metaphorically, from the Naked Snake to what we knew was the greatest and most feared soldier of the century, Big Boss. Ppeople like me who played every MGS before MGS3, started to imagine how this man went from the patriot to the traitor of OH and ZL, it was back then the most fascinating story ever.
Sure music, dub and so on were all top notch, gameplay was deep and with a lot of variables but that narrative element in particular made the game a timeless masterpiece to me.
 
Fantastic game my only complaints are the controls they have not aged well its like someone described TPS controls to them over the phone, WHY couldn't they have fixed that for the HD collection! (That's why I like the 3DS version)
 
I definitely love MGS3 and I actually only played it for the first time 2 years ago on 3DS. Shitty framerate but otherwise a great port IMO. I like that snake's face looks a lot better.

I laughed my ass off at all the nonsense especially Ocelots gun twirling that drags on for way too long, but honestly I hate to say this, but I don't understand how people can take the story seriously. I was grinning in the ending speech because I thought it was overly sappy. I kind of like the plot but I play Kojima games for laughs mostly.
 
Sublime from top to bottom and stands alongside Resident Evil 4 as among the most content, feature, and conceptually dense titles of that generation. Like the aforementioned, every room, encounter, scenario, and idea appears meticulously hand crafted and unique alongside all the others, the experience as a whole made up of distinctly individual parts stitched together. You can effortlessly rattle off a hundred or more unique sequences and events from start to finish. And importantly, it manages to keep the Metal Gear formula fresh and interesting without relying too much on directly replicating the design of Metal Gear Solid 2 (which was a clear evolution of Metal Gear Solid), but never strays from staying distinctly Metal Gear in vision.

Purely in mechanical and design evolution, the jump from Metal Gear Solid to Metal Gear Solid 2 is probably more significant and impressive, but as an overall experience and vision Metal Gear Solid 3 impresses me far more.


I'm more of an MGS2 guy, but this sums up my feelings well, especially referencing RE4 in conjunction. They were the two late sixth gen single player games that rightfully received a ton of critical acclaim and surely pointed the way forward for console video games, so I thought.
 
I would not say I am the biggest MGS fan but MGS3 was incredible. Couldn't put it down when I first played through it.

Tempted to pick the vita HD collection for another play through.
 
Such a great game.
Not everything is perfect, but overall my favorite mgs too.

The whole James Bond vibe from the themesong and so on.

Soooo awesome.

Liked the food, camouflage and health systems too.

Some bosses lacked some backstory like foxhound in mgs 1 had.
Really like to have a game where you land in the Normandy and sneak your way through nazi occupied France with the cobras.
 
Best game in the series along with MGS. My favourite story by far in the series. The Boss' and Snake's relationship was really interesting.
 
Masterpiece for me. One of the best game I had ever played or probably my best. What a game this is.

I even went through the PS3 HD collection and plat it. Can't get enough of this game!
 
Absolute masterpiece.

One of my favourite games of all time. I've probably spent more hours on this than I have on any other game.

Completely solid from front to back.
 
Best game in the series. Played it without any expectations and with very little knowledge of Metal Gear. I was blown away.
 
errrr hipster alert...? You cannot possibly say this with a straight face!

Name one thing MG2 definitely did way better than other MGS did later. Especially MGS1 which in many ways was MG2 with better story and graphics.

I prefer the boss fights in MG2. Besides that, the gameplay itself is exactly the same.

You can say MGS1 is MG2 with better graphics and story. As it should be obvious, MG2 did it first, so MGS1 didn't impress me in the least. I'm not even sure the story is better in MGS1, just seems more fleshed out.

Now, if graphics make the game for you, your loss, but you can't call people who don't put as much emphasis on graphics hipsters because of that.

Ignoring the fact that PS1 graphics aged like a rotten egg.
 
MGS2 was better.


*Raises shield*

I thought so ever since I played it years ago, near when it came out. The crazy story, characters, twists, and setting were right up my alley. Even now, going back I enjoy it more than any MGS. I can play 2 all day long.

I won't say 3 wasn't a great game. I understand the choice, but I personally love the closed corridors, and cold metal setting of 2, as well as the story.

BROTHHHHEEEER! *Fist bump*
 
I prefer the over head camera in Snake Eater but not just because that's the version I originally played. it's because it forces you to use the first person camera to scout your surroundings and feels more immersive to me.

I have Subsistence on PS2
quit after 2 hours, found it too boring
, but what you're saying sounds better than the free camera for exactly the same reasons.

Any option to revert camera to MGS3 vanilla?
 
I've tried to get into MGS.

I had the Dreamcast emulator for MGS, loved it until I got stuck and had to give the game back, but didn't try again until recently with MGS2 HD, but I just couldn't get into it.

But I just just bought Ground Zereos, and fuck am I blown away. I expected to be short changed, but ended up becoming completely taken by how great the game was overall. I've already sunk 7 hours into it, completing the missions, and I'm totally going back for more.

I've been really thinking about booting up MGS 3 HD, I remember seeing some awesome cut-scenes from it, and I've only heard good things.
 
I don't like MGS3. I mean it's not bad, but wow does it have so many needless annoyances.

If there's one game that really needed a UI refitting, it's MGS3. So many tiny details that would improve the flow of the game so much. Camo and the Survival Viewer being the two major offenders, but also the stalking feature.

Why is it a 10+ step procedure to change camo or heal damage? If "it's realistic" is the answer, then I just have to point to the man spitting bees, the ghost, that guy who shoots lightning from his hands, and the rocket powered drill tank over there and go "What realism?" At least the game should have let you favorite some camo combinations and put them on the scrolling item menu for quick access. As for healing wounds, I get what it's going for, but the timing of the complicated events is just all off. In the middle of a firefight, Snake just sits down and starts pulling out a bullet, stitching up the wound, and bandaging it. And everyone just lets him.

And as for boss fights, there are two fights I enjoyed in the game. Ocelot and The Fury. Because they at least figures out that the point of a Metal Gear boss fight is to break up the slow sneaky bits with a crescendo of action. So, basically, not what The End did. Worst fight in the series. If you can call it a fight. He's more of a stage hazard.

And leaving the best for last. The Boss. I don't like The Boss. She's an idiot who everyone seems to praise. Everything she touches just turns boring. And that whole tragic story of her being ordered to go die, in so many words just rings hollow to me after the opening. She gave two armed nukes to a known terrorist during the height of the Cold War. And he used one of them already. Of course she had to die. Ordered to or not, it was just so monumentally stupid of her.

And because of the The Boss, I've been skipping every single Big Boss featured game in the series since MGS3. I won't get MGS5. It's a Big Boss game. It's that simple. Solid Snake, Raiden or a new guy, I'll be there.

And it's annoying me because MGS3 is a good game. A good game that pushes all the wrong buttons and gets annoying. It would be easy to make it awesome, but every time I think it's getting good, it just disappoints. Thankfully, MGS4 fixed a lot of the annoyances, too bad the underlying game wasn't as good. I'd still rank it above MGS3, though.
 
I guess everyone already forgot how shitty the pressure sensitive gameplay was. I remember having to use my hands in all kinds of awkward ways to be able to do the cqc the right way. Also, having to constantly go into the menus to heal and equip camo and shit. They totally ruined the simplicity of mgs2's gameplay.
 
Great game, tied with MGS1 as the best titles in the franchise by leaps and bounds. MGS2 leans too much on the weird, MGS4 was a disappointment, and I'm fairly confident that The Phantom Pain won't even come close. Peace Walker is Peace Walker, so yeah.

Though the control configuration and mechanic polish has been improved considerably (let's be real, MGS3 is pretty cumbersome), I don't think Kojima's found the same combination of interesting characters and story since MGS3. The games have suffered for it.
 
And leaving the best for last. The Boss. I don't like The Boss. She's an idiot who everyone seems to praise. Everything she touches just turns boring. And that whole tragic story of her being ordered to go die, in so many words just rings hollow to me after the opening. She gave two armed nukes to a known terrorist during the height of the Cold War. And he used one of them already. Of course she had to die. Ordered to or not, it was just so monumentally stupid of her.

The Boss was handed the nukes by the US and ordered to give them to Volgin to gain his trust, he wasn't expected to use them like he did. I'm pretty sure the idea was for The Boss to gain the Philosophers Legacy and retrieve the warheads with her.
 
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