frAntic_Frog
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if you mean mgs4 story > mgs2.........i respectfully disagree
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Metal Gear Solid: Ground Zeroes gameplay demo
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if you mean mgs4 story > mgs2.........i respectfully disagree
Remember when people were thinking Solid Snake traveled back in time after looking at the first Snake Eater trailer? lol
Otacon: To find the Patriots... We must travel back in time.
Snake: [grumble]
Metal Gear Solid 3: Time Eater
Dwight Schrute
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Wait so this is not mgs5 (next gen ?), this is a current gen( PC ?) mgs "spin off" a la PW ?
FlutterPuffs
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Two different looks for Snake.
Not to mention it isn't specified on which snake it is. Plus the reversed poster thing, which could be a hint from Kojima...
...which leads to this question: Could it be that Kojima is preparing to hit us with an MGS ARG?
Edit: Anyway, I'm going with the Big Boss mentoring Solid Snake and/or Grey Fox theory.
What? Where are you getting that? He's saying that MGS4 ruined the themes/concepts that MGS2 set up.
Uh, no. He means MGS 4 shits all over the storyline of MGS 2 and its characters. And I don't mean "shits all over" in a "it's better" sense. It literally takes a dump on what MGS 2's story was about.
frAntic_Frog
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btw does anyone know if the scenes that were cut from that segment exists somewhere on the internets or on youtube?? is on that Document of MGS dvd? it seems so disjointed when the game transitioned from the arsenal crossing the george washington bridge and then the next scene it shows a destroyed federal hall....
Well a few things. Firstly, Snake looks notably older when compared to Chico.
Chico is clearly in a used area of the base, Snake is told he is in an unused area.
The antagonists leave, planning to find Paz, Snake is told Paz is there with Chico.
Promotional materials include Snake at two distinctly different ages.
I remember it then.
People keep on expecting Kojima to pull the rug out from under them again with a character switch, when he hasn't for four games straight (3, PO, 4, PW).
People at TUS discussed trying to get a PS2 DevKit for a long time, because some of the stuff is still in the Sons of Liberty disc. But nobody was able to get anything. I'm sure more people remember this if they posted there.
It's hard for me to say that I can see two different Snakes during the video, but I can see that they're different in the artwork.
I agree, it's a really sloppy transition.
To my knowledge, it hasn't been accessed on the disc or on the Document of MGS2. Just the description.
LiquidMetal14
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You win Konami. I'm back to sucking on dat MGS teet Kojima Takeshi-kun!
FlutterPuffs
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SJRB
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Ground Zeroes takes place over a significant period. At the start it's just "regular" Big Boss with the brown hair similar to the artwork, later parts of the game feature an older Big Boss, similar to the character model in the trailer.
Why do they both feature the same outfit and same setting? Because Kojima doesn't want to show off anything else [yet]. Why is Chico so young and Big Boss so old? Different character model for Big Boss. Why? It's Hideo Kojima, that's why.
Boom, problem solved. Time travel, reverse cloning, nanomachine halucinagen, Psycho Mantis, come on.
Why do they both feature the same outfit and same setting? Because Kojima doesn't want to show off anything else [yet]. Why is Chico so young and Big Boss so old? Different character model for Big Boss. Why? It's Hideo Kojima, that's why.
Boom, problem solved. Time travel, reverse cloning, nanomachine halucinagen, Psycho Mantis, come on.
Please don't tell me you think in this pics is the same guy.
I keep repeating myself but imo there is a "FOX" Snake (old) and a "XOF" Snake (young). I think it's the same guy (Big Boss).
Remember Kojima posted this on his twitter page
Also "Two Phantoms were born".
Come on man.
Gouda Jouji
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The difference of appearance in the posters is most likely because one is a CG render, and the other is in game.
We saw multiple times through the demo how the lighting caused his hair/beard to appear grey.
We saw multiple times through the demo how the lighting caused his hair/beard to appear grey.
The different character artwork suggests the possibility that it could take place over a significant period of time (though it could just be different lighting sources).
But some of the posters suggesting that the model changes over the course of the gameplay/trailer itself was just lol...
But some of the posters suggesting that the model changes over the course of the gameplay/trailer itself was just lol...
Pretty much. The most we ever got was the Karen Hojyo thing.
Please don't tell me you think in this pics is the same guy.
I keep repeating myself but imo there is a "FOX" Snake (old) and a "XOF" Snake (young).
Remember Kojima posted this on his twitter page
Also "Two Phantoms were born".
Come on man.
Brown Boss & Weathered Boss
Don't forget Naked Snake went through a similar transformation in MGS3... His eye...
BeautifulMemory
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both snakes have the eye patch though, right?
Yeah this is without a doubt Big Boss. Just older and younger. That's just my speculation.
Yeah, they're both post-Snake Eater.
Original Man
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no, solid snake only has the solid eye patch as a part of the gameplay
Hello there.
As soon as I got that I never took it off.
Gouda Jouji
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Does look like two different Snake's based on the hair colour, so this is possibly a remake of of MG1 as well
Why would Solid Snake be wearing an eye patch, have no bandanna, and have an old sneaking suit that has both the MSF and the FOX logo?
I think he means the 2 pics from GZ.
Inferno313
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So much jumping to conclusions in this thread. Love it!
Does look like two different Snake's based on the hair colour, so this is possibly a remake of of MG1 as well
MG1 Snake was clean shaven and green as hell.
Does look like two different Snake's based on the hair colour, so this is possibly a remake of of MG1 as well
Nope. Sorry, man.
FlutterPuffs
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This could be hippie snake, who would rather sit in his room and smoke pot than helping his dad with his espionage work.
Bam Bam Baklava
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Snake has looked different in artwork before this. You can see they tried to give some gray on the sides of the artwork but they went with more in the rendered version.
True, but Chico is in a particular state of transition as far as aging goes, and given that height increase isn't the only thing that denotes aging we should at least see him age in other ways. Yet, he still looks clean and baby faced. Even Olympic gymnasts start to look older despite being generally short and "young looking" for their age... They look comparatively older than they were years ago.
I should know, people tell me a look stupidly young for my age, but if you saw a picture of me from years ago at the age that people think I currently am, you could still tell I've gotten older by comparison.
And, while game logic =/= real logic, I think Kojima is far too tedious to forget about or disregard consistently aging the characters of a game in a such a noticeable way.
Let's say two different time frames. XOF and FOX
I believe the first part of the trailer was XOF and after the big flash when the patch fall down from the heli and Snake appears its FOX. From now on we see the older Snake, the whole time.
The problem is we don't see Snake before so he could really be younger.
Also after Galvez removes the XOF logo from the helicopter, Chico's walkman stops playing. Does that mean, the timeline has changed, and the walkman was gone? I'm not sure...
Another thing that bugs me are those orange flashes.
FlutterPuffs
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I'm 27. I look 19. It happens.
Plus dude, we don't know much. All this is just speculating.
How do you explain the different logos on their shoulders then?
Doesn't he have FOX and MSF logos on different shoulders?
Original Man
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oh.
yeah, both snakes in those pics have the patch. It's big boss. how the fuck are people coming up with solid snake lol.
Game will take place more than likely shortly after PW up until shortly before MG1. KEEP IN MIND THOUGH that Big Boss in that trailer is OLD AND OBVIOUSLY....OBVIOUSLY isn't taking place shortly after PW at that moment in time. If that boy is chico(which I still say it isn't), then that trailer is taking place at different time periods.
I saw some people asking two pages ago about Galvez's Japanese VO. And no, it's not the same as Burnface, they sound nothing alike.
Japanese Galvez was Otsuka Hochu (unrelated to Otsuka Akio, JP Snake), an actor people familiar with anime might know for his roles in Naruto (Jiraiya), Zeta Gundam (Yazan)...
Here's a snippet of his performance in Peace Walker : http://youtu.be/B6VtsULwxU0?t=2m44s
This alone makes it really hard for me to believe Burnface is Galvez.
Japanese Galvez was Otsuka Hochu (unrelated to Otsuka Akio, JP Snake), an actor people familiar with anime might know for his roles in Naruto (Jiraiya), Zeta Gundam (Yazan)...
Here's a snippet of his performance in Peace Walker : http://youtu.be/B6VtsULwxU0?t=2m44s
This alone makes it really hard for me to believe Burnface is Galvez.
Bam Bam Baklava
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All the signs in the trailer say it's Chico, the only way it wouldn't be him is if it's supposed to be a total headfake by Kojima so that we are surprised by who it really is.
Damn man maybe you're trying to go too deep on this one.
Ether_Snake
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I give up! People here are making the most ridiculous arguments based on what is clearly a technical issue: The hair becomes whiter when lit harshly.
There are no "two different snakes" in the trailer. Period. It's the same as on the poster. It is Big Boss, going to look for Chico, who is in some cage, after Galvez and co. left by chopper.
Just to show the XOF/FOX thing.
There are no "two different snakes" in the trailer. Period. It's the same as on the poster. It is Big Boss, going to look for Chico, who is in some cage, after Galvez and co. left by chopper.
Just to show the XOF/FOX thing.
Probably a new villain then.
LOOKS JUST LIKE A YOUNG SOLID SNAKE!
... not
Dat ain't even Snake. That's Kyle Reese.
Another thing that bugs me are those orange flashes.
I think those are "checkpoints". If you pres start to skip the cinematic, you will end up at the next orange flash point.
33-Hit-Combo
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Another thing that bugs me are those orange flashes.
DNA sequencing?
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