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[JDSN]

By the way, I have a lot of women in my mother base.

By the way, I have a lot of women in my mother base.

By the way, I have a lot of women in my mother base.

By the way, I have a lot of women in my mother base.

This is amazing.

 

[Sephzilla]

The Raiden / Quiet sexualization comparisons seem a bit interesting. Raiden wasn't given a written-into-the-story ridiculous reason to dress provocatively like Quiet was, however he was designed to be appealing to women. Quiet also doesn't run around legit naked* like Raiden did nor was she a playable character*.

*I haven't played MGSV yet so I can't 100% confirm these but I think someone would have mentioned these if they were true.

 

[Mesoian]

Sweet, sweet Snake booty.

I have zero issue with Quiet's character. She's more of a badass than some kind of sex object that some people tend to view her as. I find her as a character extremely reliable as a partner on the field, just wish she was a tad nicer to my Mother Base men.

I don't think we played the same game.

 

[Palette Swap]

Pretty stupid discution as usual... Quiet is A GREAT character.

By far, my most beloved companion in the game.

By the way, I have a lot of women in my mother base.

And another very important female character on Mother Base.

Without counting that THE FIRST character you see in the game is a woman.

So... very innacurate first post...

So:
- characters with a non-story role.
- a

Spoiler

figment of your imagination who doesn't do anything but slowly help you realize what happened. She has literally no volition, being a ghost that sits on a bed.

(HUGE ENDGAME SPOILERS)
- a nurse with 10 lines who gets shot in the face after three minutes.

It's not far fetched to say the game doesn't have any kind of developed female character and the most developed one mostly communicates through lap dances in the chopper, but she's as badass as the dog in missions.

There's nothing wrong with some good old T&A per se but let's not pretend they gave any fuck about female characters outside of having T&A. That in itself is a departure from the rest of the series.

 

[WrenchNinja]

"No but you see she got burned all over skin, so that's why she's not the same, ignoring that she's wearing stockings and a long glove on her arm that covers her skin up and makes her need to breath excuse not make any sense but makes her look more sexy"

 

[Lime]

I like Quiet. I enjoyed her arc and was sad at her ending and thought she was actually a strong character, not because she was an OP buddy or because she does insane super powered things but because

Spoiler

she kept her silence to prevent an outbreak of a deadly parasite

.

Yeah there are plenty of holes in that

Spoiler

why not speak Navajo and have Code Talker translate once she knew she could speak to him? Why not write on paper once she was fully on Big Boss' side?

.

There is definitely issues with the camera directions and her actions on the ACC and in certain cut-scenes. Things that don't make sense for her character and are just weird and seem like Kojima wanted Stefanie Joosten to just prance around for him.

The torture stuff is a non issue (apart from the angles which again, is creepy) because it happens to multiple characters and she is still assumed by some to be an enemy. The

Spoiler

attempted rape

is again not an issue as

Spoiler

she fought off the attacker and the rest of his squad single handedly while "being suffocated" by the clothing. Punishing the men by not only stabbing their dicks multiple times but also setting them alight.

"The game's attempted rape and sexualized torture scene of the one and only prominent female character were perfectly fine"

 

[BiggStankDogg]

I'm going to assume you're being sarcastic but reply as if you're sincere because there's a point I want to make.

it's a shortcut because this is far from the first time any of those points has been brought up and refuted in a thread like this one. but we're forever doomed from moving on because a bunch of whiny pissbabies don't like it when your criticize their favorite thing. in their black and white pissbaby world you're not allowed to be critical of the things you like and you are what you consume. therefore if you criticize something they like you're saying they're literally human garbage.

I never said that personally, but if someone disagrees with you and you classify them as whiny pissbabies, I'd say your worldview is pretty black and white enough for the whole thread.

If you criticize something that's loved: Human Garbage
If you dislike the criticism: Pissbaby

And just like this thread, there is no middle ground.

 

[collige]

I was adding on to a point I made earlier with that post. Kojima equates female character with cleavage almost as an introduction, even when it doesn't make sense with the character to the situation. As if to say the gender lines are drawn in the sand at cleavage, no matter what the situation. Every female character in the series does this except for two, Paramedic and Emma, the former is killed off screen, the latter using the Emmerich themes instead of the female themes.

It's not bad. It's VERY weird.

This is kind of how I feel about it. From my current point in the game (around Mission 35), the character design and plot around her to generally adequate, but the way that the camera is done around her is just creepy. Granted, I didn't expect anything less from Kojima, but it feels more out of place this time around considering how much more serious this game is compared to previous installments. Still better than the B+B corps though.

 

[MMarston]

€: Too late. :[

What irks me more about this is how another person put it in the spoiler thread

Spoiler

The End: Forest spirits lend me your power!!!

Spoiler

Code Talker: It was bugs

 

[Zomba13]

€: Too late. :[

Didn't have his lungs burnt out, had functioning lungs, only used the parasites for photosynthesis (so he could stay in one spot for days and never move while still getting nutrients, not oxygen) and life prolonging effects.

Listen to the taaaaaaaapes

90% of the story and reasoning is in the taaaaaaaapes

Quiet was pretty much killed at the start by fire, glass shards and a long fall requiring the parasites not just for breathing but to restore her body and so she can get nutrients/water because her insides were fuuuuuuuuucked.

"The game's attempted rape and sexualized torture scene of the one and only prominent female character were perfectly fine"

Right so no rape/attempted rape/anything bad happening to a female character ever. Ok. Fine. But you are ok with the male characters getting tortured because that is played for a laugh right?

 

[akidnamededdy]

€: Too late. :[

For the hundredth time:

Quiet has to

Spoiler

breathe through her skin. She has to do this because her lungs were destroyed. None of the others with parasite powers have this problem. This is why they are not nearly naked as well.

I'm not saying it's anything more than a flimsy excuse to have Quiet nearly naked at al times, but there IS a reason given for it in game that

Spoiler

she's the only one who's like this. People should stop ignoring it and posting pictures of the End like some kinda gotcha.

But whatever, no time to lose when a woman's showing some skin.

 

[BiggStankDogg]

"No but you see she got burned all over skin, so that's why she's not the same, ignoring that she's wearing stockings and a long glove on her arm that covers her skin up and makes her need to breath excuse not make any sense but makes her look more sexy"

Yeah, look at how nimble and agile this old man is with just his head and googly eyes exposed. He jumps around, disappears, covers long distances like Superman in short distances.And the flips, my god the flips. He IS the same as Quiet. Like a carbon copy!

 

[WrenchNinja]

Didn't have his lungs burnt out, had functioning lungs, only used the parasites for photosynthesis (so he could stay in one spot for days and never move while still getting nutrients, not oxygen) and life prolonging effects.

Listen to the taaaaaaaapes

90% of the story and reasoning is in the taaaaaaaapes

Quiet was pretty much killed at the start by fire, glass shards and a long fall requiring the parasites not just for breathing but to restore her body and so she can get nutrients/water because her insides were fuuuuuuuuucked.

So why is she wearing stockings and a leather glove that covers the entirety of her arm

It's bullshit excuse and you know it

 

[Basketball]

Why does sexualizion even need to be justified? We accept mindless violence all the time but the human body has to have a deep purpose to be on display? I'll never understand it.

Give this man/woman a Kangeroo

 

[Anton Sugar]

Quiet would be easier to oogle and sexualize if she wasn't such a consummate badass. Yeah she wears revealing clothes. Oh noes.

This is amazing.

Can't make this shit up.

 

[BreezyLimbo]

Which, again, is shot in the face because the Skulls, who have the same parasite, all wear clothes. Some sort of sneaking suit it looks like.

The game's little hypocrisies make things interesting, but it also makes a lot of characters not know what they're talking about. Especially Kaz. Kaz is ALWAYS wrong.

Actually there are different parasite strains. You can collect them for your own parasite suit

 

[Nameless]

Quiet is Kojima making up for :

In all seriousness, yes, clearly the character is sexualized in a way that her male counterparts are not, and aspects of her design fall on the gratuitous side, so it shouldn't come as a shock that she'd be off putting to some. Still, I'm a big proponent of artistic freedom within reason, and she doesn't cross that line for me. Quiet is one of the oddest, most fascinating characters I've encountered in quite some time, glistening titty physics be damned.

 

[n0razi]

Whats wrong with sexualization? Its not like shes a 12 year old school girl.. This is an adult game right?

 

[Sai-kun]

Didn't have his lungs burnt out, had functioning lungs, only used the parasites for photosynthesis (so he could stay in one spot for days and never move while still getting nutrients, not oxygen) and life prolonging effects.

Listen to the taaaaaaaapes

90% of the story and reasoning is in the taaaaaaaapes

Quiet was pretty much killed at the start by fire, glass shards and a long fall requiring the parasites not just for breathing but to restore her body and so she can get nutrients/water because her insides were fuuuuuuuuucked.



Right so no rape/attempted rape/anything bad happening to a female character ever. Ok. Fine. But you are ok with the male characters getting tortured because that is played for a laugh right?

then why is she wearing a long glove

why is she wearing stockings

why is she wearing anything at all? they should just fucking own it and have her naked

 

[Armaros]

So why is she wearing stockings and a leather glove that covers the entirety of her arm

It's bullshit excuse and you know it

Hell people that say its a stupid excuse

STILL USE IT TO EXCUSE IT

 

[Zomba13]

So why is she wearing stockings and a leather glove that covers the entirety of her arm

It's bullshit excuse and you know it

Because the majority of her body is uncovered? Stockings are light and airy. I dunno. I'm just fucking saying the reasons given in the game. People don't want to play the game or find this stuff out instead want "she is almost naked so is a bad character".

then why is she wearing a long glove

why is she wearing stockings

why is she wearing anything at all? they should just fucking own it and have her naked

I fully believe that was the original intent. Multiple characters only comment on her as naked, not in a bikini. I believe she was originally meant to be fully nude all the time but Konami or someone at KojiPro said how it wouldn't fly and she he "covered her up". Because you know it'd be 100 times worst if she was actually naked.

 

[Mesoian]

.

Kate Beaton continues to hold that shit down.

 

[akidnamededdy]

I don't think we played the same game.

Apparently we didn't. Quiet is a fucking force of nature in the field.

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

This is a legitimate question. Is Quiet, her outfit, and the camera spending moments focusing on her lady parts "sexism" or just "sexualization"? Because there is a bit of a difference between the two.

Are there many examples of sexualisation in games that aren't sexist?

People like to harp on about Bayonetta being an example of this. I'd agree that it's fair to say sexuality is core to her character. However she's still a character that's designed by men (conceptually) solely to be ludicrously sexy and every sexy element of the character comes back to that. To be honest I don't think the Bayonetta "She owns it!" defence is any better than the "It's photosynthesis!" defence when it comes down gender roles in games; they're still just canonical excuses for designers who like asses and tits show asses and tits.

The key difference to me is that Bayonetta as a whole revels in it's sexism/sexualisation and comes off as more enjoyable more congruous product as a whole as it's essentially a cheesy exploitation flick. Still, it's an exploitation piece made by a different group than the one it chooses to exploit. This doesn't necessarily sit well with me especially when people want to bring Bayonetta up as a figure for empowerment.

 

[Crossing Eden]

"The game's attempted rape and sexualized torture scene of the one and only prominent female character were perfectly fine"

Seriously, like, I'm wondering if people are actually reading the shit they're typing, there's a serious issue if portrayals of rape as a bad character development device and borderline torture porn are being defended as "non-issues."

 

[Monocle]

This is amazing.

Classic stuff right here.

 

[MMarston]

So why is she wearing stockings and a leather glove that covers the entirety of her arm

It's bullshit excuse and you know it

As much as I defend the narrative part of her character, there really is no defending the BS of her aesthetic.

 

[Mesoian]

Apparently we didn't. Quiet is a fucking force of nature in the field.

But you wanted her to be nicer to the guys at home who are continually verbally abusing her?

 

[WrenchNinja]

Because the majority of her body is uncovered? Stockings are light and airy. I dunno. I'm just fucking saying the reasons given in the game. People don't want to play the game or find this stuff out instead want "she is almost naked so is a bad character".

Light and airy? Are you serious? The reasons are fucking stupid. If people sought this stuff out itd become even more apparent.

Yeah, look at how nimble and agile this old man is with just his head and googly eyes exposed. He jumps around, disappears, covers long distances like Superman in short distances.And the flips, my god the flips. He IS the same as Quiet. Like a carbon copy!

You clearly don't remember MGS3 very well, The End is incredibly fast on his feet

But nice try though

 

[maltrain]

So... many people here only read the title of this stupid discution.

It says: "Thus far, she's the only woman I've encountered in the game, beyond the name of Mother Base".

And my point is that's A LIE. In fact, you can play as a woman on the game.

I don't talk about Quiet because, as I said before, the discution is stupid.

 

[Joeku]

For the hundredth time:

Quiet has to

Spoiler

breathe through her skin. She has to do this because her lungs were destroyed. None of the others with parasite powers have this problem. This is why they are not nearly naked as well.

.

Then [endgame spoiler]

Spoiler

how can she talk? You usually need lungs to talk.

 

[SmoothBrain]

While I understand that people might not like how Quiet dresses and sometimes behaves, I don't fully get the hate. She's a female character wearing a bikini. A strong one, too. I actually like that Kojima portrays her as a sexy, strong, independent woman you simply don't fuck around with and who doesn't communicate using words but rather actions.

You don't see a problem with sexualizing a female protagonist while she's being
-tortured
-assaulted
-

Spoiler

killed so that her corpse can be raped

You don't see a problem with any of the above?

Depending on the torture and in some

Spoiler

form rape

require you to be nude in some places. Plus, she wasn't dressed in her bikini during

Spoiler

the rape scene and got back at the guys who tried to rape her, by stabbing the shit out of their crotch. And I was all like "OUCH OH MY GOD" and then "DO IT! STAB MORE! YEAH LIKE THAT!".

All the feels.

Spoiler

I actually teared up at the end of that mission.

As silly as it is, if Kojima wanted her to be like that, I'm ok with that. Although some scenes were silly, but I think he made them to fuck around with us.

 

[Sephzilla]

Are there many examples of sexualisation in games that aren't sexist?

People like to harp on about Bayonetta being an example of this. I'd agree that it's fair to say sexuality is core to her character. However she's still a character that's designed by men (conceptually) solely to be ludicrously sexy and every sexy element of the character comes back to that. To be honest I don't think the Bayonetta "She owns it!" defence is any better than the "It's photosynthesis!" defence when it comes down gender roles in games; they're still just canonical excuses for designers who like asses and tits show asses and tits.

The key difference to me is that Bayonetta as a whole revels in it's sexism/sexualisation and comes off as more enjoyable more congruous product as a whole as it's essentially a cheesy exploitation flick. Still, it's an exploitation piece made by a different group than the one it chooses to exploit. This doesn't necessarily sit well with me especially when people want to bring Bayonetta up as a figure for empowerment.

Bayonetta's character designer was a woman though wasn't she?

 

[Karkador]

The torture stuff is a non issue (apart from the angles which again, is creepy) because it happens to multiple characters and she is still assumed by some to be an enemy. The

Spoiler

attempted rape

is again not an issue as

Spoiler

she fought off the attacker and the rest of his squad single handedly while "being suffocated" by the clothing. Punishing the men by not only stabbing their dicks multiple times but also setting them alight.

Okay, hold the fuck up.

So it's okay to dress her like that and fixate the camera on her because "reasons", not at all to do with sexualizing the character.

But then when the game itself gives in to the sexualization that it's supposedly tried its best to justify - sexualizing and objectifying the character to the extreme point where she's just there for your dumbass soldiers to rape - that's not an issue?

The narrative's line of thinking is extremely fucked up. This is like Frank Miller levels of "Every woman is a fucking whore, she had it coming by being dressed that way" style of sexism.

 

[Inferno313]

So... many people here only read the title of this stupid discution.

It says: "Thus far, she's the only woman I've encountered in the game, beyond the name of Mother Base".

And my point is that's A LIE. In fact, you can play as a woman on the game.

I don't talk about Quiet because, as I said before, the discution is stupid.

1. Lie is a strong word. The game is long. I'm sure OP just forgot about the nurse in the opening scene and hadn't acquired any women prisoners yet. (There are very few of them.) It's not kind to call someone a liar when they made an (irrelevant, imo) error.

2. Having non-problematic female characters doesn't automatically excuse the problematic ones.

 

[Zomba13]

Seriously, like, I'm wondering if people are actually reading the shit they're typing, there's a serious issue if portrayals of rape as a bad character development device and borderline torture porn are being defended as "non-issues."

But she wasn't raped, she brutally murdered the would be attacker and every other Russian in the area. And torture is used on other characters. She didn't get special torture privileges for being a woman. She got creepy disgusting camera angles because of that.

Okay, hold the fuck up.

So it's okay to dress her like that and fixate the camera on her because "reasons", not at all to do with sexualizing the character.

But then when the game itself gives in to the sexualization that it's supposedly tried its best to justify - sexualizing and objectifying the character to the extreme point where she's just there for your dumbass soldiers to rape - that's not an issue?

The narrative's line of thinking is extremely fucked up. This is like Frank Miller levels of "Every woman is a fucking whore, she had it coming by being dressed that way" style of sexism.

The fuck? Ok.

Ignoring what Quiet dresses like or whatever for the moment. At a point in the game, she leaves due to reasons and is captured by Russians who were hunting her because she killed a bunch of them and the organisation she worked for killed a bunch more. They want revenge and shit but are also bad people. They capture her, dress her up in a prisoner jumpsuit and keep her locked up. Because of this she is weakened (because of the breathing stuff) and one of the guys attempts to rape her. Before he can he tries to drown her a bit in a dumpster of water. I assume this revitalises her as she then proceeeds to flip around, grab their knives stab them a bunch, throw them about stab their dicks some more, slit throats and burn the cabin down. She prevents it from happening. Not a man, not Big Boss. She isn't powerless little girl. She kills them all and burns them while humming her song.

I'm just saying the shit that happens in the game and explaining why things are the way they are in the universe.

 

[Sai-kun]

Because the majority of her body is uncovered? Stockings are light and airy. I dunno. I'm just fucking saying the reasons given in the game. People don't want to play the game or find this stuff out instead want "she is almost naked so is a bad character".

so how much clothing is 'too much' for quiet?

(this is not specifically a question for you, zomba, just something for folks passing off her outfit as a non-issue to think about)

 

[megalowho]

Yeah, it's a problem there too. No one is saying it's not. That goes back into the cleavage conversation where the way that Sniper Wolf introduces herself is shooting merle, capturing her, unzipping her top, catcalling snake, then running away to be a boss later. It's super fucking weird.

It's honestly one of the things that draws me to the series, not the titillation aspects but the audacity to make odd choices in poor taste that undercuts $80m worth of spectacle with self serious themes and a plot spiraling out of control. It ends up being this unique mix of surprising, offputting, hilarious and stylish ambition that isn't good or bad like you say, just fucking weird. Even as I roll my eyes while Quiet does downward facing dog in my face as I'm trying to micromanage the medical wing, I can't help but be amused at the absurdity.

 

[Lime]

Right so no rape/attempted rape/anything bad happening to a female character ever. Ok. Fine. But you are ok with the male characters getting tortured because that is played for a laugh right?

1. Considering how the game sexualizes the character while she's being tortured, I would say it's pretty problematic and it should be called out for how gross it is.

2. Attempted rape is not just something you throw in without context or proper treatment. It's a really, really sensitive thing that requires care and attention in its depiction and treatment.

3. Male characters getting tortured are sure as shit not being sexualized while being tortured. I'd love to see the reactions of some people in this thread with Snake or whoever White Dude gets tortured while the camera focuses on their big throbbing cock in their military pants. And no, this does not mean that once we get a Male Version of Quiet that things suddenly get equal - it will still be a gross off-putting combination of sexual violence coupled with tittiliation.

EDIT: Since you seem to not be aware of why rape and how it is handled in entertainment is a problem, here's a primer: with this particualr quote to be the most apt in regards to sexualizing Quiet:

Rape Should Not Be Sexy

Not making rape scenes look sexy might sound like a no-brainer, yet avoiding this pitfall seems remarkably difficult. That’s because most popular media looks at women primarily through the lens of sexual attractiveness. Important female characters are uniformly young and alluring, while unconventionally attractive or older women rarely make it to the screen at all. It’s a troubling subtext: If women aren’t sexually attractive to men, what’s the point of them even existing?

It's a troubling subtext: If women aren't sexually attractive to men, what's the point of them even existing?

The impulse to sexualize women is so knee-jerk and compulsive that sexiness becomes functionally mandatory, which sets the stage for maximum creepiness any time those characters suffer, and particularly when they suffer sexual violence.

As Rachel Edidin wrote in her critique of sexualized rape scenes, “Women are exaggeratedly—and always—sexy. They’re sexy on the phone. Sexy on the job. Sexy fighting. Sexy tortured. Sexy dead. Sexy raped.”

If you’re a woman in media, you’re basically the sexy Halloween costume of human beings in a world where Halloween never ends. Again, I cannot believe I have to say this, but if a movie or TV show can’t visualize a woman in non-sexual terms even for the brief duration of a rape scene, it has no business depicting rape scenes.

And if you don't get why sexualization and violence don't go hand in hand, this is a good primer as well.

 

[Error1355]

A whole lot posts in this thread is over-the-top sarcasm and dismissing of each other's sides in a way that doesn't create a dialog but rather just an argument.

Jeez.

 

[Joeku]

Bayonetta's character designer was a woman though wasn't she?

A woman at the direction of a man, yes. It's not like Mari Shimizaki(?) drew up a single picture with no instruction, gave it to Kamiya, and said "This is Bayonetta." I think it's great to have a woman involved in the design of a strong character like that, but to then solely attribute it to her is wrong.

 

[omonimo]

Quiet is Kojima making up for :

In all seriousness, yes, clearly the character is sexualized in a way that her male counterparts are not, and aspects of her design fall on the gratuitous side, so it shouldn't come as a shock that she'd be off putting to some. Still, I'm a big proponent of artistic freedom within reason, and she doesn't cross that line for me. Quiet is one of the oddest, most fascinating characters I've encountered in quite some time, glistening titty physics be damned.

Fascinating? I find the look of Quiet irritating for the female gender. It seems a woman should be naked and attractive to be fascinating for the man . That's really misogynist IMHO.

 

[mgs2master2]

No I didn't, I have presented more than enough valid reasons to include the fact that her treatment is ridiculous sexist and honestly fucking disgusting during scenes like torture and rape. Not to mention that those reasons are invalidated immediately under any kind of scrutiny, so the one female character's parasites specifically require her to be nearly nude? Despte another character, who was also a sniper whose powers arrived from similar parasites allowed him to wear actual clothes, no no, the only female character is required to have the parasites that render clothes obsolete and turn her into a borderline stripper when it rains. Yes, those are totally valid reasons and there's no intent behind them at all.

She got tortured sure, once again story reasons.
Raped? NOPE so dont attempt to push that here. Attempted Rape, sure, but guess what? It didnt happen and showed her actual use of powers.
Parasite suit? Go make one in MGSV see the description. The parasites were in the suits, individuals were infected sure, but the powers came from the suits.

Snake wears one too.

your arguement while has points, is still based is subjectivity, which i think was what kojima wanted anyhow. he wants people to talk about his game.

As for the End arguement, see my following responses to everyone else who posted that.

re: your spoiler

And yet...

€: Too late. :[

item description of his camo
"The End's camo uniform. Gives the player photosynthetic capabilities. Extremely effective in Svyatogornyj and Sokrovenno areas."
―Moss camo description in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

He may have had parasites, but his camo gave him those photosynthetic powers too. Hence Quiet didnt need a camo, she didnt need to be covered up, while The End did

 

[BiggStankDogg]

Light and airy? Are you serious? The reasons are fucking stupid. If people sought this stuff out itd become even more apparent.


You clearly don't remember MGS3 very well, The End is incredibly fast on his feet

But nice try though

To the point of being like Quiet? I don't remember him being nearly that fast. Because you're right, I don't remember that. I remember him falling asleep in the battle.

 

[Verd254]

As much as I defend the narrative part of her character, there really is no defending the BS of her aesthetic.

It's a fallacy to assume it even needs defending as far as I'm concerned.

 

[ArchedThunder]

Light and airy? Are you serious? The reasons are fucking stupid. If people sought this stuff out itd become even more apparent.

Put tights like hers over your face, you can breathe just fine. They probably put them on her because they didn't want her running around in just a thong. As for the glove, I don't think having one arm covered is enough to suffocate her.

 

[Hektor]

For the hundredth time:

Quiet has to

Spoiler

breathe through her skin. She has to do this because her lungs were destroyed. None of the others with parasite powers have this problem. This is why they are not nearly naked as well.

I'm not saying it's anything more than a flimsy excuse to have Quiet nearly naked at al times, but there IS a reason given for it in game that

Spoiler

she's the only one who's like this. People should stop ignoring it and posting pictures of the End like some kinda gotcha.

But whatever, no time to lose when a woman's showing some skin.

Because its a "gotcha".

Its the exact same power. That her lungs and skin burned is a minor detail of utter unimportance to the story that could be changed with rewriting a single 5 second long scene.

The part of her heaving to breath trough her skin isnt a reason for her sexualization. Her sexualization is the reason why that part is in the game.

item description of his camo
"The End's camo uniform. Gives the player photosynthetic capabilities. Extremely effective in Svyatogornyj and Sokrovenno areas."
―Moss camo description in Metal Gear Solid 3: Snake Eater

He may have had parasites, but his camo gave him those photosynthetic powers too. Hence Quiet didnt need a camo, she didnt need to be covered up, while The End did

oh well, then im just posting a picture of

Spoiler

Codetalker

next time.

 

[Taruranto]

Quiet is basically Kojima immortalizing his waifu Stefanie in videogame form.

 

[Crossing Eden]

So... many people here only read the title of this stupid discution.

It says: "Thus far, she's the only woman I've encountered in the game, beyond the name of Mother Base".

And my point is that's A LIE. In fact, you can play as a woman on the game.

I don't talk about Quiet because, as I said before, the discution is stupid.

"Discutions" about sexism are stupid? Do you have anything to add to the actual "discution?" And yes you can go a very long time not encountering any female characters besides Quiet depending on how you play the game.

Then [endgame spoiler]

Spoiler

how can she talk? You usually need lungs to talk.

Because her story is incredibly stupid.

While I understand that people might not like how Quiet dresses and sometimes behaves, I don't fully get the hate. She's a female character wearing a bikini. A strong one, too. I actually like that Kojima portrays her as a sexy, strong, independent woman you simply don't fuck around with and who doesn't communicate using words but rather actions.



Depending on the torture and in some

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form rape

require you to be nude in some places. Plus, she wasn't dressed in her bikini during

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the rape scene and got back at the guys who tried to rape her, by stabbing the shit out of their crotch. And I was all like "OUCH OH MY GOD" and then "DO IT! STAB MORE! YEAH LIKE THAT!".

All the feels.

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I actually teared up at the end of that mission.

As silly as it is, if Kojima wanted her to be like that, I'm ok with that. Although some scenes were silly, but I think he made them to fuck around with us.

During the rape scene the camera specifically zooms in on her jacket being opened.

 

[Prime crotch]

There's parts of Quiet's story moments where they make us unconfortable with the stereotype she playing into, and Kojima always resorts to sexual creepy moments, regardless of gender, but I doubt the culmination will be worth it.