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was that one of the points in that tin foil video because if so, jesus christ that is a huge stretch.
Nope, it was a conclusion I came to after watching the tin foil video. I was skeptical about the Gray Fox theory but after watching the new video they put out. I'm completely convinced.
Think about it, what other significance could a reference to 1984 have in MGS lore?
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That's what we're going to find out in The Phantom Pain! ;-)
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Agreed, 100%.
And one of the most logical too! If we take into account Philanthropy status as an outcast ("fringe") organization in MGS2, a more rugged Solid Snake using leftovers from his previous mission supplies, and also scrapped equipment from the government thanks to old friend's help, was a genius touch.
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yeah, you can tell its based on the game model. i guess the down side to these is that they appear to be more of a statue as opposed to something posable.
Context? Were they talking about video games?
Who would you recommend to watch for Metal Gear related play through etc?
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For speed runs, Perfect Stealth on YouTube.
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Time to spice this thread up. I've been thinking about this a lot lately and I finally decided I would share it.
Please don't kill me like that "Gray Fox is Big Boss" guy GAF LOL
I am beginning to doubt that's Big Boss we are seeing in these trailers post-GZ. I believe this is another clone. In MGS1, didn't Liquid mention something about there being 8 clones? I don't remember him elaborating much on what happened to the other 5 we don't know about. It's the only thing that makes sense to me.
For example, how would BB end up with "debris" in his head when he didn't have it before he went into the coma? Besides, Kojima already made it clear that BB had only one coma. Unless there is a retcon pertaining to his coma, it had already happened. I doubt they'll change it too considering the secret tape at the end of PW with Kaz and you know who. So how can he be in a coma for 9 years if he had one already? It just doesn't add up.
Also, we see Venom Snake with Skullface at the end of this trailer, who is portrayed to be the antogonist of GZ. If that was the case, why would you be with the person responsible for your downfall? I doubt this has anything to do with BB seeking revenge against Zero.
Either we are being tricked into believing this is the real Big Boss or that really is him. I mean, this wouldn't be the first time Kojima has pulled a similar stunt (See: Playable Snake in the Big Shell). After all, MGS2:Subsistence had a mode that allowed us to swap character models.
The other clones were weeded out in order to isolate Solid and Liquid. Only those two remained, there's no way the other clones survived.
Big Boss wasn't in a coma when LET happened. The coma line was added in the English localization for MGS1, while the Japanese script just says he was just sterile.
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But what about Solidus? There was no knowledge of him til MGS2. What would stop Kojima from doing this same thing again?
Even if he wasn't, Kojima said when we get to play it we will be like "Oh, that's what happened!". This statement alone is making me doubt he was really in a coma after what happened at the end of GZ.
Wasn't Solidus created in a separate experiment? I really doubt Kojima is going to go with another clone.
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I believe in MGS2 it was stated by Ames he was "a survivor of the Les Enfant Terribles project". I don't know if that was ever meant to imply he was one of the clones that was supposed to be aborted, and it was retconned or something, but that was what I assumed at the time until later games where it became clearer he wasn't even part of the same batch as Solid and Liquid and wasn't born from Eva. But at the same time, Solidus is definitely considered part of Les Enfant Terribles. Solidus even has a line in the game where he explains to Raiden "we brothers are called Les Enfant Terribles, cloned from our father with the ability to reproduce conveniently engineered out".
At the time this was pretty confusing to me but now thanks to Ground Zeroes' ending timeline we know the Les Enfant Terribles project lasted until after Solid & Liquid were born in 1972 and was only officially scrapped after 1976, so Solidus could have been born in between and still be considered part of the project.
I believe Solidus was born between 1974 and 1976. Placing his birth after that would make him to be extremely young by the time the Liberian Civil War began, even if his accelerated aging was there from the very beginning.
I think he was born in 1976, and then they cancelled the Les Enfants Terribles project, as they finally achieved what they wanted: A TRUE clone of Big Boss that would age a lot faster so the organization would have their icon back. No more use for the project after that.
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Yo dudes if there was like 2-4 year between Solid/Liquid and Solidus, that would mean there must have been other clones, right? right???
There were and they didn't survive. Unless you're chain yanking.
I hope not.
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i don't think there's any way to logically have venom snake not be big boss without this game turning into a debacle of greater-than-MGS4-proportions
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Wouldn't be surprised if there were other clones in the game, maybe those zombie ninjas, who knows, although them running around and jumping would make them probably closer to Gray Fox in some weird way, and we know there's a sword-wielding character in the game (almost certain to be Gray Fox).
Fire Volgin looks more like a mix of characters. He has The Fury's fire, The Joy's horse, he's back from the dead (The Sorrow), and I guess he is scary and suffering, so The Pain and The Fear.
Fire Volgin looks more like a mix of characters. He has The Fury's fire, The Joy's horse, he's back from the dead (The Sorrow), and I guess he is scary and suffering, so The Pain and The Fear.
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Ew, those look terrible.
Of course not, he doesn't exist anymore, remember?
But that IS Volgin. Just a demonic form of him, as if he wasn't demonic enough.
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In regards to the clones, wasn't it stated that there were multiple clones but the only ones that were considered successful were Solid, Liquid, and Solidus? Which leads to my point, of "Those who don't exist" from one of the earlier trailers, you can see that each "solider from those who don't exist" are numbered on the forehead. As such, would it be possible to say that "those who don't exist" are the failed clones of Big Boss and are being kept alive via those black exoskeleton suits? Just my 2 cents
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guys, i know this guy who knows someone who works at KojiPro.
now this is a MAJOR SPOILER so be wary of what i'm going to post next.
they said that
now this is a MAJOR SPOILER so be wary of what i'm going to post next.
they said that
_________everyone is Chico________
In regards to the clones, wasn't it stated that there were multiple clones but the only ones that were considered successful were Solid, Liquid, and Solidus? Which leads to my point, of "Those who don't exist" from one of the earlier trailers, you can see that each "solider from those who don't exist" are numbered on the forehead. As such, would it be possible to say that "those who don't exist" are the failed clones of Big Boss and are being kept alive via those black exoskeleton suits? Just my 2 cents
Maybe. That's actually not super far fetched. But
Chicos voice doesn't exist
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I've bought Solid Snake, Gray Fox, Solidus, Rising Raiden, MGS2 Raiden, and Liquid Snake -- with each one their quality has decreased while their price increases, those look terrible and I bet they'll be $90+.
The figma MGS2 Snake looks fantastic.
In regards to the clones, wasn't it stated that there were multiple clones but the only ones that were considered successful were Solid, Liquid, and Solidus? Which leads to my point, of "Those who don't exist" from one of the earlier trailers, you can see that each "solider from those who don't exist" are numbered on the forehead. As such, would it be possible to say that "those who don't exist" are the failed clones of Big Boss and are being kept alive via those black exoskeleton suits? Just my 2 cents
The other 6 clones were aborted to promote strong fetal growth in Solid and Liquid, but it wouldn't surprise me if Kojima retcons that.
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Any release date for MGS2 Snake Figma?
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This should be the end all for the canon. Plenty of references and evidence, it'd be hard to say this guy is wrong.
Not bad. But I don't buy into the theories as concrete. I stand by whatever Koji says is law...MGR is an exception though.
Why's that? lol
Honestly, I love what they did with Raiden and don't want it to be written off as a side story
plus the GZ side mission with Raiden was amazing..that can be the non-canon stuff for all I care 
Bro...you must final ending to fully appreciate the amazing-ness that is PW!
"The thematic importance of Raiden finding peace in MGS4, is also explained (and in a way that makes one detest MGRising even more!) "
This. So much THIS.
I absolutely LOVED Raiden's conclusion at the end of Metal Gear Solid 4. It felt like a real closure of his life as a soldier. It would be hard, but he would become a family man, free from war, free from killing. A new man, free from war as he and Snake talked about.
Then comes Rising, and not only Raiden goes back to his cyborg body, he goes back to killing human beings (Cyborg-fied, but still living, breathing humans). And they even have his Jack the Ripper persona come out again.
I consider Rising to be a great game on itself, but when put together with the other games in the timeline, it is completely stupid and ridiculous, and has no reason to exist. It completely ruins Raiden's relatively happy ending.
I enjoy the game, greatly, but thank goodness it is not canon.
Funny moments in Ground Zeroes. Can you imagine the possibilities for TPP?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SC3Zc0855lI
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