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[SpacePirate Ridley]

The worst thing of all, is people using the Team Ninja card with the oversexualization thing, when in the Sakamoto interview he clearly said they were only helping with the tech and the graphics.
All the character designs, story and cameras probably come from Sakamoto's team and Nintendo.

Rebochan is the only one making very much sense here.

It really is, she is the only one that has put a good argument against the avalanche that came to her.

I was fighting along her until this really started to be carnival of stupid with all the over sexualization stupidity. But Im glad she defend the cause in a good way.

I read some of it. It was pretty good. gives you good inside on her childhood and stuff. Ridley was definitely evil in it.

Best villian Nintendo had thanks to the Manga. Its a pity that talking in the videogame would be kind of strange, but in the manga it just feels right and gives him a lot of character.

evil like a really vicious monster, or evil like a sinister cunning intelligent thing?

Try to find it and read it (its not very hard to find it in the internet), you will like it.
Ganondorf would shit bricks with the evilness of Ridley. He really doesnt fuck around in the manga. He has some great quotes. In one of the chapters Samus is totally paralized in fear when talking with Ridley, and we know she is a tough girl.

 

[AniHawk]

About the Metroid franchise...

Is there any interview or info on why nintendo choose to make the hero a girl?

because... it was kind of a big deal back in the day, wasnt it? Where did they took it from?

Well the series was inspired by Alien. Didn't know about the interview mantidor mentioned though.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Considering she saw her parents die, the chozo die, Adam Malkovich die, and the baby die, she probably should have some sort of super severe survivor's guilt. Especially since most gave their life to save her so

"WHY AM I ALWAYS THE ONLY ONE STILL ALIVE!?"

samus we need you to blow up some planets and exterminate several species

"Oh, okay."

 

[Man God]

To be fair to Samus though very few of those world's stay blown up, see Metroid Fusion and Super Metroid.

 

[AniHawk]

It would make sense that after Adam dies she kinda snaps and does the bounty hunter thing just because she doesn't give a shit anymore.

 

[Azure J]

You know, as much as this thread is a perfect example of "what_the_fuck_am_i_reading.jpg", those past few posts on the Metroid manga have made me search out the full thing yet again. I don't know why I didn't finish it.

 

[mantidor]

Found the interview, it was on wikipedia

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/488/488084p3.html

Q: Is it a conscious decision to keep "sex appeal" away from the Samus character even though she's female? And in developing the original Metroid game, was it thought of from the start to have Samus be female?

It is true that in developing the original Metroid, we were partway through the development processes when one of the staff members said, "Hey, wouldn't that be kind of cool if it turned out that this person inside the suit was a woman?" So that's how we decided on that. We've tried to express her femininity a little more without trying to turn her into a sex object. There's actually a part in Zero Mission where you'll see Samus operating outside of her suit in the latter stages of the game.

well, no comment...

 

[Man God]

She is pretty fragile outside that suit mind.

I really love that part of ZM. I have a save right before beating Mother Brain so I can do it whenever I want. Hard Mode with almost no energy too so that one shot=one kill. It's the hands down best stealth segment in a non stealth game.

 

[Green Mamba]

Honestly, the only thing I liked about that manga was Mother Brain's characterization. Outside of that... eeeeuggghhh.

And I suppose Ridley was okay too.

But Carmen San Diego Samus fighting a giant bouquet monster? No.

 

[Scrow]

To be fair to Samus though very few of those world's stay blown up, see Metroid Fusion and Super Metroid.

i don't understand? metroid fusion takes place entirely on a space station that mimics the environment of SR388. SR388 is never "destroyed" in any of the previous games, including Metroid II. It's only destroyed at the end of Fusion (we assume)... and we don't know anything after fusion since chronologically that's the latest game.

as for Super Metroid and Zebes... i can't remember, but did the planet supposedly get "destroyed" in Metroid I only to return in Super Metroid (and later the ending of Metroid I to be retold in Zero Mission)?

 

[EmCeeGramr]

Honestly, the only thing I liked about that manga was Mother Brain's characterization. Outside of that... eeeeuggghhh.

And I suppose Ridley was okay too.

But Carmen San Diego Samus fighting a giant bouquet monster? No.

Yeah, it was mostly cringeworthy, but it had some good moments. For example, there was this one part where a Space Pirate is being interrogated where a shitty and totally unnecessary discussion about "oh but there are federation species who are second-class citizens SO WHO IS THE TRUE EVIL" and it's so dumb and awkward and thankfully never comes up ever again.

But right after that there's a neat part where it lets slip during the interrogation that Samus is the sole survivor of the K2-L colony attack, where the Pirate seemingly mocks the victims by saying that they were weak and couldn't even defend themselves. Samus is about to beat the shit out of him when he explains that he's only quoting private comments made in the Federation report on the colony attack.

 

[Man God]

I always forget that SR388 didn't self destruct when the Queen blew up. :lol

But yes, Zebes doesn't stay blown up very well. Hopefully they won't bring it back again as the SM self destruct looked pretty damn permanent.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

i don't understand? metroid fusion takes place entirely on a space station that mimics the environment of SR388. SR388 is never "destroyed" in any of the previous games, including Metroid II. It's only destroyed at the end of Fusion (we assume)... and we don't know anything after fusion since chronologically that's the latest game.

as for Super Metroid and Zebes... i can't remember, but did the planet supposedly get "destroyed" in Metroid I only to return in Super Metroid (and later the ending of Metroid I to be retold in Zero Mission)?

In Metroid Zero Mission Mother Brain's base it the only thing destroyed (Tourian), the rest stays intact.
Its in Super were it goes KABOOM!

But this doesnt mean SpacePirates suffered total annihilation, we see some of them that tried to enter the Fusion Space Station, they are probably in another planet reconstruting Mother Brain and cloning Kraid and Ridley again.

 

[silverbullet1080]

Yeah, it was mostly cringeworthy, but it had some good moments. For example, there was this one part where a Space Pirate is being interrogated where a shitty and totally unnecessary discussion about "oh but there are federation species who are second-class citizens SO WHO IS THE TRUE EVIL" and it's so dumb and awkward and thankfully never comes up ever again.

But right after that there's a neat part where it lets slip during the interrogation that Samus is the sole survivor of the K2-L colony attack, where the Pirate seemingly mocks the victims by saying that they were weak and couldn't even defend themselves. Samus is about to beat the shit out of him when he explains that he's only quoting private comments made in the Federation report on the colony attack.

That part was great. After she directly fucked the Federation at the end of Fusion it seems like they're really going to be at odds eventually.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Question time:
In Fusion, the frozen Ridley was a Federation clone, or they captured one of the Ridley clones that Space Pirates created when they ran away from Zebes before the explosion?
It seems that Space Pirates were looking for Ridley in the space station before being infected by the X virus.

 

[joetachi]

Yeah Samus versus the the federation could really be intresting

 

[Threi]

:lol

 

[silverbullet1080]

Question time:
In Fusion, the frozen Ridley was a Federation clone, or they captures one of the Ridley clones that Space Pirates created when they ran away of Zebes?
It seems that Space Pirates were looking for Ridley in the space station before being infected by the X virus.

The frozen Ridley may have been an X clone that the pirates were looking for before getting infected themselves.

 

[Man God]

It's Ridley. The pirates are looking for him, they get infected on the way.

No idea how he got there. However Other M might give us some clues... :lol

 

[silverbullet1080]

Frozen corpse? Or the federation might want to have him under their control.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Or maybe freezing him keeps him fresh and zesty.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

The frozen Ridley may have been an X clone that the pirates were looking for before getting infected themselves.

Doesnt Ridley get infected by the X after he unfreezes and not before? I really dont remember corectly that part.

Frozen corpse? Or the federation might want to have him under their control.

The Galactic Federation have proved the want more power by controlling dangerous creatures. It wouldnt surprise me if they tried to use Ridley.
If thats the case, Samus is going to be VERY piss off. One thing are Metroids and X, another is using your nemesis as a killing machine.

 

[cacildo]

Found the interview, it was on wikipedia

http://gameboy.ign.com/articles/488/488084p3.html

Q: Is it a conscious decision to keep "sex appeal" away from the Samus character even though she's female? And in developing the original Metroid game, was it thought of from the start to have Samus be female?

It is true that in developing the original Metroid, we were partway through the development processes when one of the staff members said, "Hey, wouldn't that be kind of cool if it turned out that this person inside the suit was a woman?" So that's how we decided on that. We've tried to express her femininity a little more without trying to turn her into a sex object. There's actually a part in Zero Mission where you'll see Samus operating outside of her suit in the latter stages of the game.

well, no comment...

Pretty cool!

Thanks for the answer

I love this little details about the creation of classic games.

 

[EmCeeGramr]

I don't remember where it was, but someone actually asked Sakamoto why Ridley's frozen corpse was on the BSL in Fusion.

His response was, honest-to-God, "I don't know."

 

[Poyunch]

Man I wonder how different Metroid would have been if Samus was never changed to be female.

 

[silverbullet1080]

Doesnt Ridley get infected by the X after he unfreezes and not before? I really dont remember corectly that part.

He was dead when he was frozen but was just kept there so he wouldn't rot I think. While frozen he was infected and copied by the X parasite.

 

[Man God]

The Galactic Federation have proved the want more power by controlling dangerous creatures. It wouldnt surprise me if they tried to use Ridley.
If thats the case, Samus is going to be VERY piss off. One thing are Metroids and X, another is using your nemesis as a killing machine.

Actually I think she's more worried about Metroids and X considering how quick they work. Ridley ain't no thing compared to the X.

 

[Big One]

Man I wonder how different Metroid would have been if Samus was never changed to be female.

Fans would probably think it would be awesome when Man-Samus takes off his shirt due to manliness.

 

[silverbullet1080]

Actually I think she's more worried about Metroids and X considering how quick they work. Ridley ain't no thing compared to the X.

Probably. Though it doesn't help that he's still a genocidal maniac.

edit- I just realized that the X can copy corpses, too bad they're almost all dead with the exception of the Fed probably saving a DNA sample from samus's operation.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Fun find:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SXIZA-53_mI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=691Z_c4lV48

The dead Ridley corpse frozen is the Super Metroid Ridley, as its the same sprite.
But when the X invades the system he transforms in to a big ass Ridley, with all his muscles over inflated because of the virus. If we knew they were still alive when the X invades the system the only think I can say is that it had to hurt a lot.

I don't remember where it was, but someone actually asked Sakamoto why Ridley's frozen corpse was on the BSL in Fusion.

His response was, honest-to-God, "I don't know."

:lol

Actually I think she's more worried about Metroids and X considering how quick they work. Ridley ain't no thing compared to the X.

An army of vicious killing maniacs out of control is not a beautiful view.
More if they still shared their mind with the original Ridley like the space pirate clones do. If one Rildey after Samus is a pain in the ass, imagine 50 of them. They will surely have their revenge.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Repeated post

 

[Man God]

The X are an extinction level threat. Metroids were created specifically to kill X, but were made with a glaring flaw that makes it easy for tough people like Samus to handle.

 

[silverbullet1080]

The X are an extinction level threat. Metroids were created specifically to kill X, but were made with a glaring flaw that makes it easy for tough people like Samus to handle.

And unlike the metroids, it's pretty clear that the X are reasonably intelligent.

 

[etiolate]

Alright, lets discuss this image.

First observation is that her hair is cut short and that without the suit and the Metroid title, it would be hard to guess this character as being Samus Aran. Of course, picturing Samus without the suit somehow employed is difficult as is. The visual though is a departure from how she has been historically drawn.

Second, the outfit isn't a bikini or zero suit. This is an everyday outfit for moving around a space station(at best guess). An everyday outfit with the buttons undone down the breast. It's tough to see that as coincidental. The opening of the shirt in this way draws eyes to the area. Especially when you consider that most people's eyes are drawn to the sudden chestiness of Sigourney Weaver's more badass alterna-persona.

Back to the face, the eyes of Samus still feel strong, or determined in a way, but the nose and mouth move towards the doll look. When combined they can make the eyes look vacant, but in motion and within the right context they could retain their determined look. The face still remains doll-like.

Comparisons:

More realistic style from Prime.

This is basically videogame pin-up from Zero Mission. The eyes are mostly blots of blue, but the expression is rather happy. Samus appears alive and busty.

Back to Prime:

A distinct cartooning of Samus going on. The original Samus is the realistic one shown before. Hunters serves as a sort of middlegrounds between the fluffy toonish blonde and the realistic Samus. I think the persona of strength shows best in the first Prime depiction, as individual character is a bit lost with the toonish transformation, as the eyes in Prime 1 convey emotion and thought, while Prime 3's eyes are rather vacant.

And here are the pixel reward versions. On this image, thought it may be made to look so, Metroid 3 Samus is taller than the rest, with more defined biceps and overall tone. Far more amazonian than the rest. The Samus on far right looks like an awkward overgrown girl, almost like Terra from the Teen Titans cartoon.

And so, there is a battle between human, emotional Samus and blank, doll Samus, and I'd say Other M Samus is falling on the doll side. Add in the breast issue and you have some worrisome trends that are worth being concerned about. If Samus is seen more out of suit, then appearing as this doll is a bit of a letdown after what we see in Prime 1 and Metroid 3.

One last note is the nose again, which in Other M appears different than the nose used in all other art/3d models. The normal Samus nose is long, angular, sloping and on the narrow side. Other M's nose gives Samus more a bird-like face and I wonder if that is intended Chozo referencing or just part of the dollface.

Another note worthy similarity exists between toonish modern Samus and the Danger Girl heroines.

 

[Refugio]

I don't remember where it was, but someone actually asked Sakamoto why Ridley's frozen corpse was on the BSL in Fusion.

His response was, honest-to-God, "I don't know."

Yeah. Here it is: http://www.metroid-database.com/?g=features&p=faq3#stage03

"For the time being, I don't know. Maybe it will be revealed in the near future?"

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

This thread turned pretty interesting. To bad its time to have some sleep.
Continue with the cool conversations guys!

 

[Scrow]

And unlike the metroids, it's pretty clear that the X are reasonably intelligent.

yes, the X absorb the memories and knowledge of their hosts, so they're essentially as intelligent as any human they infect.

It's Ridley. The pirates are looking for him, they get infected on the way.

No idea how he got there. However Other M might give us some clues... :lol

yeah, very possible since it takes place between Super and Fusion according to wikipedia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Other_M

edit:

weird that Prime 3 looks like a downgrade from Prime 2. Hunters definitely looks best, but Prime 2 is a pretty good depiction of Samus too, imo.

 

[silverbullet1080]

Prime's model even if it's just the face, is IMO the best.

 

[ShockingAlberto]

Alright, lets discuss this image.

No

We're not going to find common ground on this.

 

[SpacePirate Ridley]

Beating the dead horse

You need to stop, really, no one cares anymore.

Yeah. Here it is: http://www.metroid-database.com/?g=features&p=faq3#stage03

"For the time being, I don't know. Maybe it will be revealed in the near future?"

Well, thats a response that means he has something in mind.

 

[silverbullet1080]

yes, the X absorb the memories and knowledge of their hosts, so they're essentially as intelligent as any human they infect.

If they think with a hive-mind then they can seriously pose a colossal threat to the Fed.

 

[Threi]

wait



does other M samus have green eyes

wtf

Spoiler

hunters samus is the best, Prime 1 samus looks a tad too realistic, clashes with the world (and the suit design) for starters

 

[udivision]

This thread was becoming normal again too.

 

[Man God]

I wonder if the powers that be of Metroid basically decided that it was impossible to make Kraid fun so they just keep leaving him out... :lol

 

[silverbullet1080]

wait



does other M samus have green eyes

wtf

Blue eyes + yellow light. Moving on...

 

[joetachi]

lol i was really getting pumped about the story elements in metroid then came the wall of text.

 

[etiolate]

This thread was becoming normal again too.

but normal gaf is dumb

I want some better discussion. Some social relevance to the industry. It's a waste of this forum to be a bunch of Gamefaqs stuff.

Plus, look at it this way, if Rebochan comes back to fail at arguing again, you can all clithang again.

 

[silverbullet1080]

lol i was really getting pumped about the story elements in metroid then came the wall of text.

Just read the manga if you haven't.

 

[joetachi]

Just read the manga if you haven't.

Ueah i have i was it was more about where could the story go and what will the Other M bring to series.

 

[Somnid]

One last note is the nose again, which in Other M appears different than the nose used in all other art/3d models. The normal Samus nose is long, angular, sloping and on the narrow side. Other M's nose gives Samus more a bird-like face and I wonder if that is intended Chozo referencing or just part of the dollface.

Digging ourself deeper into insanity I see.