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MGS4 looks good because of its great art - great models and good texture selection and great direction. technically it is really not impressive...very few per-pixel effects, almost no shaders of interest.

as a technical guy speaking, PDZ and kameo have far more going on per pixel (but suffer from Bad Art Syndrome (tm))

this is consistent with most japanese developed games - i think that since they didn't get into xbox development, they never really learned to use shaders, but figured out how to make great art on the ps2. the lone exceptions that come to mind are the wreckless guys and panzer dragoon orta guys

 

[Zaptruder]

yeah, I just wanna throw on the heap.

Doom Bringer you are WRONG! WRONG LIKE A MOTHERFUCK! WRONG BITCH JUST WRONG!

*regains composure*

Seriously, you need to get your eyes checked. Lost Planet is good, awesome even. But it's not in the same ballpark as MGS4 or even league.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

MGS4 looks good because of its great art - great models and good texture selection and great direction. technically it is really not impressive...very few per-pixel effects, almost no shaders of interest.

as a technical guy speaking, PDZ and kameo have far more going on per pixel (but suffer from Bad Art Syndrome (tm))

this is consistent with most japanese developed games - i think that since they didn't get into xbox development, they never really learned to use shaders, but figured out how to make great art on the ps2. the lone exceptions that come to mind are the wreckless guys and panzer dragoon orta guys

what are shaders? post pictures.

 

[fortified_concept]

This is going to blow your mind, but at present there's one sci-fi first person shooter on the 360, and that's Quake 4. As for planned games, Halo 3 is the only other one that comes to mind. Mass Effect, Too Human, Huxley, Gears of War, etc. are not first person shooters at all.

I think he meant SciFi or/and FPS.

 

[aoi tsuki]

Heh you've gotta wonder if Kojima's mind on Raiden being playable is going to change before the games release. Within a day of that trailer being released he's went from most wanting not to play as him to almost everyone wanting him to be playable at some point in the game.

i wouldn't mind playing Raiden at some point, although i'm afraid it would turn the game into Snake May Cry. The fact that you've got a thirty-foot Metal Gear that can hop a city block on your tail, or hiding a few feet from you makes the whole stealth aspect of the game much, much more interesting to me.

 

[SolidSnakex]

Oh HD trailer where are you?

 

[KennyL]

Like it or not, what Kojima doing is making cinema, not game cutscenes. Sure, there're better looking games in pure tech level but that's all they have. People don't call him director for nothing.

 

[BigBoss]

Like it or not, what Kojima doing is making cinema, not game cutscenes. Sure, there're better looking games in pure tech level but that's all they have. People don't call him director for nothing.

Whats funny is that he doesn't like it when people call him a director.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

yeah, I just wanna throw on the heap.

Doom Bringer you are WRONG! WRONG LIKE A MOTHERFUCK! WRONG BITCH JUST WRONG!

*regains composure*

Seriously, you need to get your eyes checked. Lost Planet is good, awesome even. But it's not in the same ballpark as MGS4 or even league.

:lol Lost Planet's particle effect match the killzone 3 cg stuff and that says a lot!! Its pretty clear to me what Capcom was using for inspiration

Only a Sony fanboy would say that MGS4 looks better than Lost Planet. Fact is MGS4 is:

1.) Has low frame rate
2.) Pixilated Shadows
3.) Pathetic last gen particle effects (I mean did you see those sparks that kick up when snake fires his gun at the metal gear? Friggin Burnout 3 has better particle effects) :lol
4.) Crappy smoke effects compared to Lost Planet (the smoke that's rising from the city)
5.) The environments in MGS4 look pretty dead to me...the clouds look poor, the skybox is poor overall...while the environments in Lost Planet feel alive.

It's pretty clear to me that Capcom has outdone Kojima Production in such a short timeframe. Kudos to them! Lost Planet FTW.

 

[dark10x]

as a technical guy speaking, PDZ and kameo have far more going on per pixel (but suffer from Bad Art Syndrome (tm))

Whoa now, you aren't trying to paint those as technically superior. Yeah, they are doing a lot of CERTAIN things...but to act as if MGS4 is all art direction and no tech is just foolish.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

thread closed



MGS3 E3 2003

MGS3 E3 2004

 

[ELS-01X]

A big problem is the lack of a full HD trailer video for MGS4...instead we get fuzzy 480 x 270 trash. There's a whole lot of effective detail absent in that encode . I suppose that's why you're getting people going "the animation is good, but..."

It also hides flaws, like jaggies and shitty textures.

 

[Timedog]

There's no need for pissing contests for games that aren't even out yet.

 

[Zaptruder]

:lol Lost Planet's particle effect match the killzone 3 cg stuff and that says a lot!! Its pretty clear to me what Capcom was using for inspiration

Only a Sony fanboy would say that MGS4 looks better than Lost Planet. Fact is MGS4 is:

1.) Has low frame rate
2.) Pixilated Shadows
3.) Pathetic last gen particle effects (I mean did you see those sparks that kick up when snake fires his gun at the metal gear? Friggin Burnout 3 has better particle effects) :lol
4.) Crappy smoke effects compared to Lost Planet (the smoke that's rising from the city)
5.) The environments in MGS4 look pretty dead to me...the clouds look poor, the skybox is poor overall...while the environments in Lost Planet feel alive.

It's pretty clear to me that Capcom has outdone Kojima Production in such a short timeframe. Kudos to them! Lost Planet FTW.

Ah nah man. You did not just say that. You realise you might be banned for insanity? The kind of insanity that only exists in serial killers, terrorists and neo-cons?!

 

[Wollan]

Only a Sony fanboy would say that MGS4 looks better than Lost Planet.

This is the most biased comment of E3. You're good guy and all but that shit there is the most controversial lie.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Ah nah man. You did not just say that. You realise you might be banned for insanity? The kind of insanity that only exists in serial killers, terrorists and neo-cons?!

So I might get banned cause I am telling the truth?? Truth hurts doesn't it

BTW Lost Planet only molests MGS4...Resident Evil 5 and DMC4 will truly rape it big time...and then is GoW and Final Fantasy XIII... :O :O

 

[Zombie James]

It also hides flaws, like jaggies and shitty textures.

IGN has full resolution, direct-feed screenshots. I see absolutely nothing to complain about.

 

[BigBoss]

So I might get banned cause I am telling the truth?? Truth hurts doesn't it

The truth is anybody who thinks Lost Planet looks better than MGS4 or is even in the same league is a lunatic. Games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Gears of War, Halo 2 would make a better comparison, not Lost Planet.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

Doom bringer did you see the MGS3 shots I posted. Yu are either a joke character or insane. Either way I will have alot of crow for you to eat next year.

 

[Zaptruder]

So I might get banned cause I am a stark raving lunatic?? VD hurts not just me, but everyone around me!

Yes Doom, the truth does hurt.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

Yes Doom, the truth does hurt.

obviously, thats why he wont admitt it.

 

[Ponn]

So I might get banned cause I am telling the truth?? Truth hurts doesn't it

BTW Lost Planet only molests MGS4...Resident Evil 5 and DMC4 will truly rape it big time...

I was sitting here watching my roommate play Lost Planet for a hour today and you are batshit insane. It's alright but there is nothing really mindblowing about it. The "GI-Joe Toy" models were getting annoying and I still can't believe we haven't moved past the non-fluidity of torsos and legs working unnaturally independantly of each other.

It's a fun romp with mechs but you are insane my friend.

 

[Doom_Bringer]

The truth is anybody who thinks Lost Planet looks better than MGS4 or is even in the same league is a lunatic. Games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Gears of War, Halo 2 would make a better comparison, not Lost Planet.

That's frigging bull shit! I bet Lost Planet has an equal budget as Heavenly Sword, Lair or MGS4 since the game is funded by MS and if not by MS I bet Capcom is putting a lot into the title since much of it's tech will be used in other next gen games. It looks and plays like a high budget game therefore your argument is flawed.

 

[Speevy]

I was sitting here watching my roommate play Lost Planet for a hour today and you are batshit insane. It's alright but there is nothing really mindblowing about it. The "GI-Joe Toy" models were getting annoying and I still can't believe we haven't moved past the non-fluidity of torsos and legs working unnaturally independantly of each other.

It's a fun romp with mechs but you are insane my friend.

Give me a break. I haven't even made the first comparison to MGS4 but Lost Planet looks AWESOME. Really.

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

That's frigging bull shit! I bet Lost Planet has an equal budget as Heavenly Sword, Lair or MGS4 since the game is funded by MS and if not by MS I bet Capcom is putting a lot into the title since much of it's tech will be used in other next gen games. It looks and plays like a high budget game therefore your argument is flawed.

Budget:lol: I doubt it MGS4 probably like $20 million. Lost planet looks awesome tough

 

[Doom_Bringer]

Doom bringer did you see the MGS3 shots I posted. Yu are either a joke character or insane. Either way I will have alot of crow for you to eat next year.

Those shots prove nothing. The first is a bad qaulity capture and the other is a good quality capture. MGS3 looks exactly like the trailer they first showed. I saw no graphical improvements in the final game.

This is the most biased comment of E3. You're good guy and all but that shit there is the most controversial lie.

Yes Doom, the truth does hurt.

obviously, thats why he wont admitt it.

You want the truth? Post some decent quality captures of Lost Planet and MGS4 and compare things like: Particle effects, smoke effects, environments, lighting and so on...

I Win bitches

 

[BigBoss]

That's frigging bull shit! I bet Lost Planet has an equal budget as Heavenly Sword, Lair or MGS4 since the game is funded by MS and if not by MS I bet Capcom is putting a lot into the title since much of it's tech will be used in other next gen games. It looks and plays like a high budget game therefore your argument is flawed.

Who cares about the budget, Too Human has a huge budget and its a turd. I'm not saying Lost Planet doesn't look good but MGS4 is on another level.

 

[Zaptruder]

The truth is anybody who thinks Lost Planet looks better than MGS4 or is even in the same league is a lunatic. Games like Lair, Heavenly Sword, Gears of War, Halo 2 would make a better comparison, not Lost Planet.

o_o I see what you did there!

 

[Alex Teh Lerge]

Those shots prove nothing. The first is a bad qaulity capture and the other is a good quality capture. MGS3 looks exactly like the trailer they first showed. I saw no graphical improvements in the final game.







You want the truth? Post some decent quality captures of Lost Planet and MGS4 and compare things like: Particle effects, smoke effects, environments, lighting and so on...

I Win bitches

Direct feed screens by IGN you are insane, get the F out.

 

[Ponn]

Give me a break. I haven't even made the first comparison to MGS4 but Lost Planet looks AWESOME. Really.

I said it was good for what it is but to be claiming it looked bettter then MGS4 is insane. Theres some great details there, but it wasn't mindblowing.

 

[Agent Icebeezy]

There's no need for pissing contests for games that aren't even out yet.

THis is my main argument

 

[XMonkey]

crap

As if we needed any more evidence to discount anything you say... bravo, sir.

 

[EviLore]

OH DEAR GOD THIS GAME LOOKS SO TERRIBLE I'M GONNA PUKE.