to be clear the only thing using the pizza theme is that twitter reply, not the original video that giachinno posted. i think it's extremely unlikely that this stupid ass meme will get referenced in any way but i would totally lose my shit if it did.Nice! Actually, Giachinno would be the most likely composer to have obscure references like that in a score; just as how he used fragments of theme songs from 90s Star Wars game scores in his Rogue One score.
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Giacchino gets praise for doing fantastic new themes that pay tribute to old ones. Ignoring the laughable idea that Enterprising Young Men or the new themes in Rogue One are mediocre in any way, Giacchino has done wonderful remixes of old themes like Speed Racer and the 60s Star Trek.
Rogue One had serviceable moments, but many painfully blown ones. Terribly awkward transition into the main theme when the title of the movie was shown onscreen is one example. The other example that comes to mind right away is. The Imperial March there was painfully over-the-top and almost seemed to be a parody of itself, killing the climax of the scene (IMO). A more skillful composer could have hit the mark at those crucial spots and been much more consistent in quality & creativity. Oh, a third dropped ball was the confusing avoidance of any actual Episode IV Imperial theme or Imperial March whenat the end after the Vader massacre,
when Vader looks at the Corellian Corvette cruising away--- the "bad guy" music for that scene was clumsy, cliche & annoyingly/ineffectively loud.the Death Star is revealed after Tarkin's first scene
Actual track parts, for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaEzKRngCyY&list=PLVD09Y3FXZaODg4xYk7KHUf1RZeANfj-C&index=18
1) 0:50 in "Hope" , with the parody Dr Evil rif occurring again between 0:58 to 1:02
2) Just after 3:30 in "A Long Ride Ahead"
3) Beginning of "When Has Become Now" and also after 1:35 to 2:00......the section from 1:50 to 1:55 sounds like a parody again, like Dr Evil should be in the background.
The one part that stands out to me from Rogue One OST that Mike Giacchino got right was the section on Scarif with the underlying drum beat, as they are sneaking around. Also, the stealing plans part --- some pretty good stuff in there. Maybe with more time, he could have smoothed out the rough edges like I mention above --- he definitely was pressed for time since he was hired very late in the game.
Editors also have an impact on score integration and to be frank the editing at the end of Rogue was bad in general.
The other example that comes to mind right away is. The Imperial March there was painfully over-the-top and almost seemed to be a parody of itself, killing the climax of the scene (IMO). A more skillful composer could have hit the mark at those crucial spots and been much more consistent in quality & creativity. Oh, a third dropped ball was the confusing avoidance of any actual Episode IV Imperial theme or Imperial March whenat the end after the Vader massacre,
when Vader looks at the Corellian Corvette cruising away--- the "bad guy" music for that scene was clumsy, cliche & annoyingly/ineffectively loud.the Death Star is revealed after Tarkin's first scene
Much better than that Diet-Batman theme we got out of Elfman in the Raimi Spider-Man films.
DID YOU KNOW:
The entirety of that first half of hope, the half that culminates in what you called the "over-the-top parody" version of Imperial March
is all Imperial March?
Bet you didn't know that, huh.
Also, he didn't play the Episode IV imperial motif when the Death Star is revealed because he was playing The Death Star's actual theme in those moments. The scene is intro'd and outro'd with it.
(he saved the original Imperial Motif for Vader's first appearance because it was originally supposed to be Vader's theme, so he thought that was an appropriate place to reference it, and then blend it with the actual Imperial March)
I give Giacchino a pass on the elements of Rogue One I didn't like (some of which Pancake listed) because of the pressures of the assignment (lots of cooks, I imagine) and the very limited time he had to compose that much music (being a replacement for Desplat).
If we wanna' get nitpicky, I'd say they shouldn't have used the Imperial March at all since it doesn't actually appear until Ep V.
That wouldn't be nitpicky, that'd just be wrong.
Or rather, I don't see how that reasoning would make any sense at all.
I can't agree with Desplat's music not working on the Harry Potter films. His work was some of the best in the series and definitely left an impression on me. Obliviate, Lily's Theme and Statues were excellent to name a few. It would have been interesting to hear his Rogue One score, though I was happy with the one Giacchino gave us.
DID YOU KNOW:
The entirety of that first half of hope, the half that culminates in what you called the "over-the-top parody" version of Imperial March
is all Imperial March?
Bet you didn't know that, huh.
Also, he didn't play the Episode IV imperial motif when the Death Star is revealed because he was playing The Death Star's actual theme in those moments. The scene is intro'd and outro'd with it.
If we wanna' get nitpicky, I'd say they shouldn't have used the Imperial March at all since it doesn't actually appear until Ep V.
Also, he didn't play the Episode IV imperial motif when the Death Star is revealed because he was playing The Death Star's actual theme in those moments. The scene is intro'd and outro'd with it.
They went through the effort of trying to make the film stylistically fit to Ep IV as much as possible, even downgrading Vader's costume accordingly, so I don't really think it's that much of a stretch.
If he was told to make a new Death Star theme by the Director or Disney, then so be it, but IMO, the Death Star didn't need a new theme
Desplat is easily the worst composer in the Harry Potter series, though. Compared to old heavyweights like Williams and Doyle, and even Hooper, it just doesn't compare.
I mean there's an argument to be made in relation to how well integrated a score is into a film, but a composer isn't an editor and once they provide the score it's still put through the editing motions. The score in Attack of the Clones was edited into the film like a total jackass but the score itself is fantastic.
I mean there's an argument to be made in relation to how well integrated a score is into a film, but a composer isn't an editor and once they provide the score it's still put through the editing motions. The score in Attack of the Clones was edited into the film like a total jackass but the score itself is fantastic.
I guess I can look at a score separate from a film while agreeing it's not edited in well all the time and I generally don't blame the composer for that. If you listen to Rogue's score on it's own, it's pretty fantastic and still has plenty of good stretches in the movie.
Desplat is easily the worst composer in the Harry Potter series, though. Compared to old heavyweights like Williams and Doyle, and even Hooper, it just doesn't compare.
Great to hear someone else call this out! Episode II score was amazing and the editors butchered it terribly. They even cut one of the finest Star Wars moments John Williams ever composed at the end of the OST end credits track. The entire tale of Anakin Skywalker is told musically, starting with a whimsical, lazy version of young Anakin's theme, transitioning to the Episode II love theme, and then seemingly about to resolve with a flute line like in the end of Leia's theme, but then it goes minor key and there is the very subtle Imperial March in low strings before ending with a harp. The editors cut that completely out and it never played in the actual movie end credits. Would love to find out whose brilliant decision that was
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how did we go from spiderman to star wars dweeb shit
how did we go from spiderman to star wars dweeb shit
When I watch Clones, the whole climax and the music editing drives me goddamned BONKERS. It's like you have all this epic shit and ZERO ORIGINAL MUSIC. it's all literally from TPM. There's even a track on the soundtrack called The Arena that wasn't used-- just the first part with the swelling love theme. And guess what? They used THAT track in ROTS.
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Yeah, and of all scenes, they used it for the storming of the Jedi Temple ---- WTF??? I can't bring myself to believe that John Williams signed off on that creative decision.
Yeah, and of all scenes, they used it for the storming of the Jedi Temple ---- WTF??? I can't bring myself to believe that John Williams signed off on that creative decision.
Yeah, and of all scenes, they used it for the storming of the Jedi Temple ---- WTF??? I can't bring myself to believe that John Williams signed off on that creative decision.
Great details but where was the Death Star theme or Imperial theme from ANH tracked into Jedi? It's been a long time since I've watched Jedi and I can't recall.Still doesn't really make any sense to me.
You have the music, use it if you think you can make it fit.
That this movie was the first since 77 to even include the Imperial motif (outside of the few times it was tracked in for Jedi - same w/ the Death Star theme) and that a new motif was created, to bridge all three together - I think that was a very good approach, and executed very well.
I'm sorta surprised some enterprising young Youtuber hasn't written their own medley merging all three into a single concert piece.
He didn't make the Death Star a new theme. The Death Star has the same theme it always had.
He created a new Imperial theme, to go along with the new Imperials as introduced in the film (Krennic/Death Troopers) and that's what you're hearing before the Death Star theme kicks in. But that isn't the Death Star's "new theme."
He created a similar new bit of music to associate with The Force because of the Guardians of the Whills as introduced in the movie. Doesn't mean he wrote a "new Force theme." The Force Theme/Ben's Theme is still in the movie as well. Along with the Rebel Fanfare and even, in a couple instances, Luke's Theme/Main Theme.
And a Del Toro film near the end of the year! Desplat's drama scores are frequently very beautiful but I greatly enjoy it when he goes all epic with a huge orchestra.
Yeah sorry I guess I wasn't necessarily trying to explain it to you as you seemed to have been saying the same thing, just... expanding on it I guess? Anyway sorry if the tone felt belittling or something, we're on the same page.
Great details but where was the Death Star theme or Imperial theme from ANH tracked into Jedi? It's been a long time since I've watched Jedi and I can't recall.
Desplat is easily the worst composer in the Harry Potter series, though. Compared to old heavyweights like Williams and Doyle, and even Hooper, it just doesn't compare.
Tragically, that level of craftsmanship and training isn't something that's particularly appreciated in contemporary film scoring.
(And I like Giacchino but he's nowhere near Goldsmith or Williams.)
Meh, that song is terrible.
The score for Aliens was only completed in four days
Meh, that song is terrible.
I love him in both. I'm a fan of Giacchino, but I don't want deny that Desplat is the far superior / more versatile composer. It helps that he does a bunch of blockbusters whereas Giacchino seems content with mostly doing blockbusters, not that there's necessarily anything wrong with that.
Yeah, Desplat has the greater chops, for sure. A lot of people think that his music sounds cold and clinical and I couldn't disagree more. Some of his best dramatic scores ache with emotion (like The Light Between Oceans and The Painted Vale). He's just very precise with his orchestrations and that seems to rub some the wrong way. But I come from a classical music background so I'm used to that shit, haha.
Look like this is where it will be, maybe during the movie as well. Hyped.Done! Here's the music with the Marvel Studios logo intro:
https://twitter.com/hassanahmed120/status/865699969893896196
His music isn't for very everyone I'll admit, and I can't say I love it all, but there's something great about a modern film composer who knows how to compose "quiet" & creates very beautiful melodies at the same, without feeling the need to make everything seemingly sound "epic" all the time. Most of the greatest film composers of the past were also masters at same kind of thing.
BTW some of my favorites from Desplat include The Grand Budapest Hotel, The Monuments Men, The Golden Compass, Godzilla, Birth, The Light Between The Oceans, and so on.
Yeah, I like most of those quite a bit. Also, The Ghost Writer, Cheri, Rise of the Guardians and The Imitation Game. Crap, now I'll have to do a Desplat Spotify binge!
Yep. Another miss.
I don't understand the praise for this guy.
Giacchino ain't no James Horner. Yeesh.
Done! Here's the music with the Marvel Studios logo intro:
https://twitter.com/hassanahmed120/status/865699969893896196
Yep. Another miss.
I don't understand the praise for this guy.
Giacchino ain't no James Horner. Yeesh.