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Michael Moore Getting Ethered On Twitter
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I mean, it's tweets, not exactly insightful or deep dialogue going to happen. He did end with: Michael Moore ‏@MMFlint Oct 29
All those female burglars, arsonists, hedge fund thieves, sexual predators, war profiteers. Not that women can't. They just usually don't.
Which is true, and probably more what he was aiming for.
All those female burglars, arsonists, hedge fund thieves, sexual predators, war profiteers. Not that women can't. They just usually don't.
Which is true, and probably more what he was aiming for.
Right, but it works both ways. Societally, men have also done way more good then women, and it's not because men are more charitable or smarter or anything. Rather, men who had the talents and ambition were able to make a difference in the world, for good or evil, while the same is not usually true of women.
It's a sad state of affairs all around.
Right, but again, how much of that is due to actual biology, and how much is due to societal pressure?
Men, just like women, are expected to fill a role in life, which varies depending where they are. In a poor city, becoming a drug dealer is more of an option for a man, because society allows it to be.
Same with warlords. Until recently, women weren't even allowed to serve in the Army. In many parts of the world they still arent. How many women then, do you think are likely to become warloards?
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To expound upon that, I think men, due to testosterone, are more prone to physical violence and evil. That's not to say women can't be, but even in a perfectly equal society, men will commit more physically violent acts.
However, that same testosterone makes it so men are more able to become firefighters, and set new athletic rexorda, and become and security who's job it is to protect place, or someone.
I'm not entirely sure what causes evil, but I'm not convinced that men are either more evil or good than women, they are just able to be good or bad in different ways. As I have already said, hisotrically, men have been more able to be good and evil and be remembered for it.
NoblesseOblige
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I read Moore's tweet as trying to say a society governed/ran by women hasn't created an environment for those things. Not so much there's never been a sole woman that is guilty of any of it.
What he meant and what I'm able to stretch what he wrote into meaning so that I can clown him on twitter are two separate things. The latter is much more fun and makes me feel superior.
I wonder if anyone has told him to delete his account yet. Or kill himself.
hipbabboom
Huh? What did I say? Did I screw up again? :(
So weird... I could have sworn I heard a speech of his where he's basically encouraging people to vote Trump.
John Kowalski
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Destroyed? He will suffer a period of internet shame and will perhaps be reminded of it if he makes similarly out of touch comments in the future and that will most likely be the extent of it. Best case scenario he makes an effort not to fall into the same traps and goes on to make more informed and positive comments, in which case all she really did was help him be a better person. Either way, he will continue to do work, people will still see his movies, people will still listen to his opinions, and he will still make good and bad contributions to the culture.
But what i really hate is this constant framing of discussions as a competition.
The Hermit
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And what a backfire.
Really, the title said ethered but I didnt believe it was that bad
TheSpoiler
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When white knighting goes bad.
diablos991
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He took the knighting and ran out of the stadium with it.
Glad to see he was brought back to the line of scrimmage.
Glad to see he was brought back to the line of scrimmage.
Even now you have parts of the world where there's lawlessness and anarchy, and women are not becoming warlords there. It's most likely due to biology and strength. Not that societal roles don't play a part, they do in some ways. But there are much fewer women going around strong arming villages of people in Somalia and terrorizing as the local warlord.
What's your criteria here? Would inventions like television or telephone count? Discoveries like penicillin or electricity or gravity? What about engineering feats like the Titanic, suspension bridges or the motor car?
Yeah, that's the problem, it cannot be compared. How do you quantify "good" done by men vs women? Especially with historical oppression and societal roles, it's not something you can just say "Oh well men have done more GOOD though too!"
Since they've done more of EVERYTHING it's an obvious conclusion to reach.
freenudemacusers
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You don't know the limits of what women are capable of.
Women beat men's old records in the Olympics every year. And people are in disbelief of what women are capable of.
You should never, ever, ever ever underestimate what women are capable of!
Ever!
Women beat men's old records in the Olympics every year. And people are in disbelief of what women are capable of.
You should never, ever, ever ever underestimate what women are capable of!
Ever!
freethoughtbubble
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She sure showed that villain.
Is that the big takeaway here?
I'm not criticizing her, by the way. She makes a fair point. I just don't get all the "he got destroyed" reactions. Yay, I guess?
Is that the big takeaway here?
I'm not criticizing her, by the way. She makes a fair point. I just don't get all the "he got destroyed" reactions. Yay, I guess?
PhantomZone
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That tweet escalated quickly!
Sunster
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on the internet being proven wrong = DESTROYED/OBLITERATED
If we're going to conclude that men do more good and bad at everything, can we then say that the next obvious conclusion is that women can then do more good with less bad than men? Isn't that what michael moore is attempting to argue?
Most every scientific discovery and invention was made by men. The majority of legal battles that made huge differences in the world have been by men. The majority of (non-women's rights) civil rights activists havr been meen too. In many placea in the world, women would not even be taken seriously as a rights activist, sadly. There have been more male surgeons, and more male inventors, and more male artists.
It's not because men are better at any of that, either. They've just been able to make more of a difference with their given talents. For good and for evil.
Right, I expounded upon that after you replied. I think biological differences do exist, and do effect things such as violence and the such, but it's impossible to consideter that without realizing society has also made it so men are expected to be more violent. Even in a place like Somalia, women are expected for certain roles on life than men.
That's not to downplay biology. There will always be more male soldiers, because of the sheer physicality of the job. As such, I think there will always be more male drug dealers and hitmen too. By that same factor, there will also be more male firefighters and rescue workers too.
allenpergallon
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Dude got dusted. It's like blanket statements are never a good thing or something.
Messofanego
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So that's why women spend so much time in the female lavatories. They're releasing all their pent up gas throughout the day, and have farting parties.
lol
You weren't responding to me, but no. I think both sexes, when taken as a whole are able to do good. Both have physical differences that are advantageous, and destructive.
Ultimatly, society will be built around both sexes. So both sexes are going to have to play a role in moving society forward in a positive manner.
freethoughtbubble
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Twitter is harsher than any courtroom. The burden of proof is through the roof--you better be 100% accurate about everything you say or you will be immediately impeached by hundreds of expert fact-checkers--and the punishment for ignorance is vaporization.
That self-loathing attitude is something I've never understood. If you're a straight white guy, seems like you could be doing a lot more useful things like helping to combat sexism or prejudice instead of pretending that you're the root of all issues and wallowing in guilt.
Eh, I think in this case the verb fits. He threw out something incredibly dumb that someone dismantled completely and in less than ten tweets. He cannot have any good comeback to that.
He's trying to paint women as paragons of moral purity, which they aren't any more than men. It implies women can't make mistakes, women can't be villains, women simply cannot be wrong by their very nature. It's a bizarre statement to blanket an entire gender with.
Or rather two genders - it also implies evil is only possible through men, which is equally ridiculous. We're humans - we are all capable of great good or evil.
It's no different than saying people of colour can't possibly be racist. The responsibility of being a decent human being is on everyone. To remove the negative representations of marginalized people only creates false expectations on us all.
It's a bit unkind to say these advances were a man only achievement when only men were even allowed to pursue such avenues, and the few women that did venture into scientific exploration either had their work stolen, ignored, or discredited entirely based on their gender. Women historically have not been allowed to achieve education and study on the same scale as men have. Sure, I guess you can count some of these as 'man-only' achievements but its all at the cost of oppression and detriment of their female counterparts.
Also, women were definitely there as part of civil rights advancement and activists, even back to the abolitionists in the civil war... In fact, I would go so far to say as that the only reason minority and civil rights were furthered is BECAUSE of women and women's rights helping open the door. Allowing woman to be more equal in societies creates more empathy for other oppressed minorities. The saying "Women's Rights Are Human Rights" is so profound because of this understood truth.
For your first paragraph, I completely agree. In fact that was the entire point of the second paragraph of my post. The reason you see more men doing things is because they were in the right place at the right time, not because they were any more talented than women.
AS for the second paragraph, I mostly agree. That doesn't change the fact that the majority of civil rights activists in the US to some extent, but especially around the world, are men. Ultimately, a big reason is men are more likely to be listened to, but the point still stands, and I beleive even backs up my thesis. I excluded women's rights groups deliberately for obvious reasons. Undoubtedly, they helped other civil rights groups gain ground, I was never arguing against it. Simply, men have added a greater sum to the good and evil in this world because they were more able to do so in their societies.
This seems like you are just running with it honestly.
It could very well be just him appealing to give a woman a chance(obvious context here) which seems hard for alot of people to do. Bottom line is its twitter. 150 Context-less characters, relax.
cr0w
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What am I running with? Had made a decidedly false generalization. People take issue with it.
RobbieNick
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Same here. My brother loves his documentaries, but I find them highly manipulative and full of falsehoods to get his agenda pushed out.
Adam Curtis shits on this gobshite.
Nothing in that tweet corelates to your paragraph in any way. Its basically 99% your own conjecture of what he means when he could mean something completely different.
What part of Jessica's tweets don't you understand? She spells it all out there. He was objectively wrong and corrected.
freenudemacusers
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was hoping this was a link to cake farts tbh
Never said he wasn't?
RustyNails
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The Last Wizard
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FlowersisBritish
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This whole situation is pretty funny to me because I read an opinion piece a little while back about how men were responsible for near all violence against woman. Obviously meant to be radical, but still.
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