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He came from a place where dog fighting was a "normal" thing--much like cockfights. This kind of stuff goes on, unfortunately. He did his time, he looks genuinely remorseful, and he's back. As horrible as it was, you have to get over it. Direct your energy toward helping out an an animal shelter or something.

The Plaxico thing really blows my mind. Two years (I think) for carrying a concealed weapon, something I think should be a universal right. And he shot himself in the leg. But guess what? You break the law, you pay for it. Regardless, anyone who says he should have been in for as long as Vick is nuts.

You can carry a concealed in NYC but you have to go thru a lot of shit. And that is how it should be. Too many crowded areas for anyone to be packed. Surely you understand, everyone can't be trusted with a fatal weapon in public. I don't want anyone I care about to be even accidentally grazed.

Don't get me wrong, if everyone could carry, I would too. But I prefer no one carries.

oh, where I grew up, dogfighting is fairly normal. Police never cared, as long as there were no drugs..

 

[ZephyrFate]

Eh.

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I'm not surprised Nike wouldn't want to resign him, as many people feel passionately about unneccessary harm done to animals. These people are certainly going to be inclined to resent / boycott / protest the move - for my part, neither the NFL nor Nike get my money or attention anyway, and that will continue regardless.

I still don't agree that there's a basis for Vick's crimes - 1) harm done to your own animals or 2) gambling - to be illegal... I did note that some investigative journalists have determined that many of these rings abduct local pets to use for training... and yeah, that's indisputably awful and certainly warrants criminal and civil liability.

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Since it was brought up, yes, Plaxico Burress's situation seems far more of a travesty.

Mercilessly slaughtering animals for your own benefit is animal abuse and is against the law.

 

[Willectro]

Didn't know there was special equipment you need to wear for dog fighting?

 

[WickedAngel]

Mercilessly slaughtering animals for your own benefit is animal abuse and is against the law.

He doesn't trouble himself with the suffering of animals. He'll go on multi-page tangents about a bundle of cells that happens to be a human embryo, though.

 

[LocoMrPollock]

He doesn't trouble himself with the suffering of animals. He'll go on multi-page tangents about a bundle of cells that happens to be a human embryo, though.

And then bitch and moan about the public having to pay health and other costs for said fetus if it ends up making it out.

Anyway, what Vick did is despicable. It's sad that so many people are, well idiots, and will defend this type of behavior.

 

[I <3 Memes]

Since it was brought up, yes, Plaxico Burress's situation seems far more of a travesty.

So you are saying that states like New York shouldn't have the rights to impose a punishment for laws broken in their jurisdiction.

Nice to see you've turned over a new leaf JayDub

 

[Fun Factor]

Good for Nike. If I bought Nike products, I would feel comfortable buying Nike products again.

Glad your conscious can rest easy in buying your child slave labor made shoes now that you know they aren't endorsing someone with a past record of animal abuse.

Mercilessly slaughtering animals for your own benefit is animal abuse and is against the law.

You just described the food industry.

 

[Mileena]

The Plaxico thing really blows my mind. Two years (I think) for carrying a concealed weapon, something I think should be a universal right. And he shot himself in the leg. But guess what? You break the law, you pay for it. Regardless, anyone who says he should have been in for as long as Vick is nuts.

Agree. He should have gotten a fine for that. Yea, it's illegal but so is assault (the guy who beat the shit out of Rhianna) and DUI manslaughter (Stallworth) and they somehow get off with a slap on the wrist. Plaxico didn't hurt anyone but himself and gets two years, what a fucking joke.

 

[Gigglepoo]

Agree. He should have gotten a fine for that. Yea, it's illegal but so is assault (the guy who beat the shit out of Rhianna) and DUI manslaughter (Stallworth) and they somehow get off with a slap on the wrist. Plaxico didn't hurt anyone but himself and gets two years, what a fucking joke.

Do you really not understand why it's a problem to carry an illegal gun around with you in public spaces?

It also makes no sense to compare those three cases. Different crimes in different states with different judges and different mandatory sentences.

 

[Count of Monte Sawed-Off]

Glad your conscious can rest easy in buying your child slave labor made shoes now that you know they aren't endorsing someone with a past record of animal abuse.

But I don't buy Nike things. Although I would if I did.

 

[charsace]

Personally I think abusing animals like Vick did should carry a sentence of life imprisonment with no possibility of parole. But that's a problem I have with the law. Now that he's legally a free man, and I'm not a Nike shareholder or customer, this deal is not my business.

Then we would have to give the death sentence to inmates in prison for abusing or assaulting people.

Some of you really take your love for animals too far.I hope you animal fanatics don't eat meat.

 

[Mileena]

Do you really not understand why it's a problem to carry an illegal gun around with you in public spaces?

It also makes no sense to compare those three cases. Different crimes in different states with different judges and different mandatory sentences.

I do but I think a fine would have been enough for him to not do it again. It's not okay that celebrities that harmed other people got off with practically nothing while Plaxico didn't hurt anyone. Blah blah different states, whatever. It's just stupid.

 

[Ardorx]

Richest shoe contract for a football ever... gone like a puff a smoke.

Exactly. Now those NFL stars of tomorrow will know to leave that dumb shit alone or have their name tarnished FOREVER.

 

[Gigglepoo]

I do but I think a fine would have been enough for him to not do it again.

Then you clearly don't understand the severity of this issue.

It's not okay that celebrities that harmed other people got off with practically nothing while Plaxico didn't hurt anyone. Blah blah different states, whatever. It's just stupid.

I agree completely that what Stalworth did is worse than what Plax did. I am appalled that a convicted murderer was sentenced to a month in prision; it doesn't make any sense to me. But I still think that carrying an unlicensed gun in a public space should be punished with jail time.

 

[BrassMonkey1010]

I hope his life gets back to normal. Good luck!

 

[bowzer85]

This should not be.

 

[ZephyrFate]

Glad your conscious can rest easy in buying your child slave labor made shoes now that you know they aren't endorsing someone with a past record of animal abuse.




You just described the food industry.

No, I didn't. Animals killed for the food industry are born and bred for such a purpose. Dogs are not meant to be pitted against each other, tortured, and killed.

 

[eznark]

Great, let some moron team owner shell out the bucks and run his talent into the ground. I knew he was going to be back in the NFL from the moment he was convicted. The point is, he shouldn't be allowed to have endorsements that market towards kids. Athletes are put on too high of a pedestal as it is, there's no need to go all gangsta street cred with the marketing.

Who gets to decide that?

 

[chaostrophy]

Then we would have to give the death sentence to inmates in prison for abusing or assaulting people.

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

 

[charsace]

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

Then we agree to disagree then.

 

[eznark]

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

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[ZephyrFate]

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

This quote is even more awesome because of your Schrodinger avatar.

 

[Pctx]

very smart move on Nike's part.

 

[PSGames]

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

Wow. I've heard about people like you but never actually met someone.

*backs away slowly*

 

[JayDubya]

Mercilessly slaughtering animals for your own benefit is animal abuse and is against the law.

"I don't agree that there's a basis for this to be illegal."

"It's against the law!"

So you are saying that states like New York shouldn't have the rights to impose a punishment for laws broken in their jurisdiction.

Do states have the right to dictate what religion you practice? How about to seize your liberty or property without due process? Quarter state troopers in your home?

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

Well, you've said one of the most disagreeable things I've ever read on GAF, but at least you're not being hostile about it.

 

[eznark]

KELO tells due process to go fuck itself.

 

[JayDubya]

KELO tells due process to go fuck itself.

Kennedy really should burn in a pool of flaming acid for siding with the court leftists on that one, yeah.

 

[BobTheFork]

Hasn't the man suffered enough?

The media loves to fill your head with the horror's of how all the dogs were killed, drowned and electrocuted but he acted well within universally accepted Cajun rules as stated in the bylaws of the United States Amateur K-9 Donnybrook Association. Those dogs had no future before Vick came along. In some ways, what he did was like getting an inner city kid off the street, and then getting him to fight anotherinner city kid to the death for money. Vick lost over 100mill in incentives and endorsements and no dog can ever bring that back :'(

 

[Pimpwerx]

What about dog hanging, electrocution and drowning?

Oh dear, I don't know what to think now. Oh wait, he went to jail and served his time. Now it's time for football. Fuck the haters. PEACE.

 

[MrPing1000]

America fuck yeah.

 

[cory]

Apparently he just moved about 10 minutes from my house, but I haven't heard anything official.

 

[methos75]

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

One Human life is worth more than a million Dog's lives, people who think other wise make me sick.

 

[yankeeforever2]

One Human life is worth more than a million Dog's lives, people who think other wise make me sick.

I rather see a million humans die myself.

 

[Dresden]

One Human life is worth more than a million Dog's lives, people who think other wise make me sick.

You are so fucking wrong.

One human life is equal to five hundred and sixty nine dog lives. Increase that to two thousand if we're dealing with toy poodles and chihuahuas. Hurr hurr hurr.

 

[MThanded]

Not necessarily. First off, I don't support the death penalty. Second, running an organization that results in the death and suffering of large numbers of dogs is a worse crime (in my mind) than anything done to a single human, even murder.

 

[methos75]

I rather see a million humans die myself.

lets start with you then.

 

[I <3 Memes]

Do states have the right to dictate what religion you practice? How about to seize your liberty or property without due process? Quarter state troopers in your home?

You said Plaxico's sentence is a travesty. My point is that NY has set the law for possession of an unlicensed firearm at 3 1/2 years minimum. He also committed at least 5 other crimes.

Yet they allowed him to plead guilty in exchange for 2 years. How is that a travesty?

 

[JayDubya]

You said Plaxico's sentence is a travesty. My point is that NY has set the law for possession of an unlicensed firearm at 3 1/2 years minimum. He also committed at least 5 other crimes.

Yet they allowed him to plead guilty in exchange for 2 years. How is that a travesty?

If you'd answer what I asked and you quoted, you'd know why.

 

[Gigglepoo]

One Human life is worth more than a million Dog's lives, people who think other wise make me sick.

If one human life is equal to one million dog lives.
And Dante Stallworth has shown that killing one person results in 24 days of jail time.
Then Michael Vick would have had to kill 23,750,000 dogs for his 570 day sentence to make sense.

That's a lot of dogs.

 

[I <3 Memes]

So you don't think any government entity, at the state of Federal level, should be able to pass a law restricting firearm possession or requiring registration?

 

[JayDubya]

So you don't think any government entity, at the state of Federal level, should be able to pass a law restricting firearm possession or requiring registration?

Do you think any government entity, at the state or federal level, should have the right to mandate a specific religion for citizenship?

 

[chaostrophy]

One Human life is worth more than a million Dog's lives

But the companionship of dogs has been shown to make humans healthier and live longer lives. Chances are, any random million dogs have collectively granted their owners much, much more than one full human lifespan in longevity benefits. So even if you don't care about dogs for their own sake this makes no sense.

 

[eznark]

But the companionship of dogs has been shown to make humans healthier and live longer lives. Chances are, any random million dogs have collectively granted their owners much, much more than one full human lifespan in longevity benefits. So even if you don't care about dogs for their own sake this makes no sense.

If dogs are only valuable in that they have utility for humans, then Vick should not have been punished. Perhaps breeding and fighting dogs was a way to relieve stress, which likely lowered his blood pressure thus making him a much healthier individual.

Your justification sees dogs as property and only worth whatever benefits they convey to their owner. I totally agree.

 

[I <3 Memes]

:lol I'm just going to stop now for two reasons.

First, we both know where this is going. It will end up with pages and pages of you taking your romanticized idea of the constitution and what Governments role should be to increasingly ridiculous levels.

Second reason. Because I just did what I accused other people of doing that resulted in your ban. I baited you into defending your beliefs. It was my opinion that you got banned because you couldn't post in a thread without someone challenging you to a debate.

 

[MThanded]

But the companionship of dogs has been shown to make humans healthier and live longer lives. Chances are, any random million dogs have collectively granted their owners much, much more than one full human lifespan in longevity benefits. So even if you don't care about dogs for their own sake this makes no sense.

What about human human companionship? You cannot argue that dog human companionship is more important?

Mother->Child
Husband-> wife
Friend->friend

are not as important as

Human-> dog ???

 

[The Faceless Master]

Since it was brought up, yes, Plaxico Burress's situation seems far more of a travesty.

the only travesty is he got 2 years and not 3.5 like the average joe.

 

[The Faceless Master]

oh wow, i should reload tabs more often before replying... what's up with some people comparing other animals to human lives?

 

[methos75]

But the companionship of dogs has been shown to make humans healthier and live longer lives. Chances are, any random million dogs have collectively granted their owners much, much more than one full human lifespan in longevity benefits. So even if you don't care about dogs for their own sake this makes no sense.

You know what makes my life happier and more fullfilling, my daughter, and not my damn dog.

 

[WickedAngel]

What about human human companionship? You cannot argue that dog human companionship is more important?

Mother->Child
Husband-> wife
Friend->friend

are not as important as

Human-> dog ???

A sadistic psychopath who takes pleasure from the pain and suffering of animals doesn't extend the life of others.

 

[chaostrophy]

If dogs are only valuable in that they have utility for humans, then Vick should not have been punished.

True, but that post was a response to the quoted post about relative worth of dogs vs. humans, not a justification for punishing Vick or animal abusers in general.

This is my justification: Humanity as a species has in many ways created domesticated animals, through hundreds of years of selective breeding. Many are meant as food sources, and are bred simply for flavor, low cost of fattening them up, etc. I personally don't eat meat but don't see a problem with people in general killing these animals for their own utility. However other animals, including dogs, have been bred specifically to be able to relate to humans and understand human communication. This could be for the animals to serve as workers, or just as companions. I believe that when our species did this to these certain types of animals, judged them to be worthy of these tasks and relationships, it took on a responsibility to treat these creatures humanely. The definition of "humanely" may be up for debate, vary across time and place, etc., it will always be somewhat subjective because giving animals equal rights to humans isn't practical. But running a dog fighting ring like Vick did clearly violated it, and with it a trust and responsibility that transcends property rights.