is "The face that runs the place" considered a pronoun? Because I would like to be addressed as that
We will fight for that pronoun. No holds barred Chicago Street Fight. I'll put my career on the line for that title.
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We will fight for that pronoun. No holds barred Chicago Street Fight. I'll put my career on the line for that title.
Hippo_PRIME
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It's almost like that phrase is used by not-so-subtle racists to hand wave the systemic oppression of black lives in the US.
On topic: I don't even know how to respond to alt-right nonsense anymore. They can't offer any real solutions or criticisms, just trolling. What does that really bring to the table?
I think they are both inauthentic and attempts to smear actual uses of the systems, yes.
Since its only used by idiots that think that BLM means Black Lives Matter More instead of of Black Lives Matter Too, yes, people who say that are either bad guys, or extremely ignorant.
My guess it isn't a big deal because most people don't talk to him.
What do you expect when it is only used to shut down black people speaking out on being killed?
What do you expect when it is only used to shut down black people speaking out on being killed?
Pai Pai Master
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Don't be dense. People have a problem with "all lives matter" when it is said in reaction to "black lives matter."
Laughing Banana
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Reading the first page...
Are we seriously now at the level where people seriously think that the words "he" and "she" promote things like sexism or different gender treatment? I mean, really...?
Are we seriously now at the level where people seriously think that the words "he" and "she" promote things like sexism or different gender treatment? I mean, really...?
This is a distinctly modern, let's say 1850-today, development.
They certainly reinforce the category of gender, which some post-modernists would probably argue is inherently harmful.
Laughing Banana
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I think post-modernists should look for a new thing to think about then, since it is such a waste of time.
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A Link to the Past
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Stopped reading right there.
No I'm just kidding, but seriously, I knew it'd be something like that. What a dumbass.
A Link to the Past
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Amazingly enough, a saying that was created by far-right conservatives to denigrate a movement that exists to combat police killings of black people is not in the category of "things people on the left like."
Yeah, this policy seems impossible to keep up with. Think this idea needs to bake a little more to make it more practical and actually usable.
Oppo
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well this guy is just trolling. obviously.
university shouldn't enforce pronouns though. it's a courtesy.
i'd be in favour of dropping them. for non binary folks. just drop the s and h, leave the e. "E's got a point". "E said it matters." not sure how you could handle him and her though.
Think i read the E treatment of pronouns in a book about how an AI wanted to be addressed, can't remember.
university shouldn't enforce pronouns though. it's a courtesy.
i'd be in favour of dropping them. for non binary folks. just drop the s and h, leave the e. "E's got a point". "E said it matters." not sure how you could handle him and her though.
Think i read the E treatment of pronouns in a book about how an AI wanted to be addressed, can't remember.
Sho_Nuff82
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It's only different because of perspective. What about religious minorities? Some people identify with their religion as much as others identify with their gender identity, and see mocking their religion as an attack on their identity.
Him being a petty dick is pointing out that this policy is unenforceable on a practical level, not unlike religious exemptions for businesses. Where do you draw the line? Can you, once the rule has been implemented? The religious exemption laws maintain that people have to show a "sincere" belief, but how do you even quantify that? How would a school administrator judge if a student is sincere about a gender pronoun or just taking the piss? Are they qualified to do that?
In such subjective scenarios, I'd argue that it is indeed better to have no policy vs a flimsy policy. Especially one that involves sanctions against those breaking the subjective rules.
The problem is to a lot of people "He" and "She" is a sensible selection.
I understand how this could be a little tricky at first, but if you had a professor keep referring to a male student as "she" even when corrected it'd be understandable for that professor to face disciplinary action of some kind. There are simple ways around this. The professor can use the person's name or a gender neutral pronoun.
tearsofash
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I remember college.
I really dont understand how you can use anything other than he or she in real life. Are you supposed to stop and ask every single person what they use. I can see when im older grandpa just using he or she will make someone a sexist. Going to be fun to watch how it all plays out.
Exactly. They have to call him that. It's their rules.
I think the professor situation is a tricky one, because I do kind of agree that it's their job to get it rightto a point. If we're talking he/she/they, they yes, that's a minimal amount of effort to put in. But once you have a blank space with "insert pronoun here", that has the potential to become messy and convoluted.
In the larger picture, though, we are potentially looking at a world where we could actually have laws and/or rules in place to govern your proper use of pronouns, and that's utter nonsense.
It does it's homework or it gets an f again.
I'm assuming some already exist, but there would be new, gender neutral, pronouns.
You know what you should really love? All things in all days and ages!!
That be a very bad idea. That's very offensive.
I agree with you that a blank space is a bad idea for reasons such as what the student did. There should just be a lot more than two options, and I wanted to point out what's reasonable to someone is very unreasonable to another.
Once again I use the same example since I don't feel it was addressed. Take myself as an example. I am a cisgender male. If my professor kept calling me a girl and using her/she etc. and did this even after being corrected I'd feel pretty pissed off and I'd have a clear case for harassment. How is that any different from misgendering a trans student?
There's no social stigma associated with being religious in the U.S., especially. There is a stigma of not being christian, but mocking religion entirely is completely different than, say, Americans shitting on Islam specifically. Similarly, it's very different to mock the issues of transgender people because of how much abuse they get for it. The fact that religion is a main perpetrator of LGBT abuse further differentiates it, as I said.
Surely you've called someone by their name before. It's roughly the same amount of effort to use different pronouns, probably less so considering you undoubtedly know more names than you do pronouns.
Use what you feel is appropriate in the situation. If you're mistaken, you'll be informed of what the correct pronoun for that person is, and life will move on. Same with names and their pronunciation which, again, is a task I'm sure you're used to.
Nice to know you'll be that dinosaur that can't get with the times should society move that way.
need to reread what i wrote. Never said that. Thanks
mariachi507
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Thought it was funny and then saw why he did it. I guess there are worse ways to protest. Still though.
The context of your post reads that you are highly confused to the point of incredulity about pronouns other than "he" or "she" being used towards human beings (although I'm sure you've used at least "they"), and you conclude thinking it'll be fun that it'll possibly be an indicator of sexism to use "he" or "she" in the future. You are already behind the curve in the present, so again, I don't have much hope about your adaptability that much further down the line.
JERRY: So what about the "Maestro" stuff. Did he make you call him Maestro.
ELAINE: Yeah, I called him Maestro.
JERRY: You didn't mind?
ELAINE: Well, I did at first, but actually I kind of got used to it.
JERRY: O.K. from now on I want you to call me "Jerry the Great".
ELAINE: I am not calling you "Jerry the Great".
JERRY: Why not you call him Maestro.
ELAINE: He is a Maestro.
JERRY: Well, I'm great.
ELAINE: So you say.
ELAINE: Yeah, I called him Maestro.
JERRY: You didn't mind?
ELAINE: Well, I did at first, but actually I kind of got used to it.
JERRY: O.K. from now on I want you to call me "Jerry the Great".
ELAINE: I am not calling you "Jerry the Great".
JERRY: Why not you call him Maestro.
ELAINE: He is a Maestro.
JERRY: Well, I'm great.
ELAINE: So you say.
He's a troll, but honestly, who does this harm? If he actually wants to be called that then fine. If he's just doing this to take some dumb stand against "SJWs," or whatever (which he seems to be from the article) then people should actually call him that and he'll probably get tired of it eventually. As a way to protest pronouns other than he/him/his and she/her/hers it's not really effective at all.
It's not funny at all though and I'm surprised at the responses who say it is (and the responses not treating other pronouns as valid).
It's not funny at all though and I'm surprised at the responses who say it is (and the responses not treating other pronouns as valid).
Fox Mulder
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I'm 32 and feel like an old person with shit like this. I just don't get it.
I feel ya!
It even worse in the south where you are thought as a little kid to call people sir or ma'am as a sign of respect. There are no gender neutral alternates.
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