Our NPD guys also confirmed that Destiny PS4 bundle put it at top. So he would have to think the NPD is also incorrect on their combined numbers...
i'm pretty sure NPD doesn't count bundles in sales.
Our NPD guys also confirmed that Destiny PS4 bundle put it at top. So he would have to think the NPD is also incorrect on their combined numbers...
Real gamers own all consoles!
Can't trust someone who only owns one. Makes me question their gaming credentials and if they actually care about gaming.
You know MGSV, Batman and BF are coming to X1 right?
Destiny still sold better on X1 despite marketing deal with Sony.
Haha.Long term avatar bets are so strange.
Shouldn't the sights be set a little lower? Like who gets closest without going over to E3 without being banned?
Actually couldn't they do an X1 slim this year. I know they can make it smaller if they wanted to, by my understanding both Sony and MS might have 20nm APUs this year.Flat Xbone sales at best with a $150 lower price of entry, they'd better have a damn attractive hardware redesign in the works because there's not much room to manoeuvre on pricing.
Actually couldn't they do an X1 slim this year. I know they can make it smaller if they wanted to, by my understanding both Sony and MS might have 20nm APUs this year.
No it didn't. How many times does it need to be posted? No. It. Didn't.
Bundles, brah. Unless you think Activision is lying.
Banned????!!!! Am I missing something, I was thinking just a friendly avatar bet or something. Just for fun, nothing so serious.Well at $299 we are talking about something completely different. Either way it's a moot point. I enjoy this forum way too much to get banned over a pointless bet.
Im still saying they are going to drop it by a 100 just to get some people over the fence. Then they can drop it to 250 say within 18 months.
Why, the X1 is huge if they get 20nm APUs, leading to a smaller sexy redesign and bundled games would do them a lot of good.No way , way too early for a slim, next year maybe.
Flat Xbone sales at best with a $150 lower price of entry, they'd better have a damn attractive hardware redesign in the works because there's not much room to manoeuvre on pricing.
Why, the X1 is huge if they get 20nm APUs, leading to a smaller sexy redesign and bundled games would do them a lot of good.
Banned????!!!! Am I missing something, I was thinking just a friendly avatar bet or something. Just for fun, nothing so serious .
Flat Xbone sales at best with a $150 lower price of entry, they'd better have a damn attractive hardware redesign in the works because there's not much room to manoeuvre on pricing.
Well at $299 we are talking about something completely different. Either way it's a moot point. I enjoy this forum way too much to get banned over a pointless bet.
i'm pretty sure NPD doesn't count bundles in sales.
I'd agree if I didn't feel a redesign coming at next E3 (2016). $50 is enough to boost sales reasonably well while allowing for bundles at that price to effectively give a $100 value in consumer eyes. That should be more than enough.
Destiny sold better on PS4 based NPD.Destiny still sold better on X1 despite marketing deal with Sony.
Destiny sold better on PS4 based NPD.
PS4 ~1.1m
XB1 ~900k
The fact they're coming to X1 as well doesn't really mean anything.
MGSV is traditionally a series associated to Playstation like Final Fantasy, the game will sell the most on PS4, it won't even run very well on the X1 because of the Fox Engine (sales split will likely be 65:35 or higher in PS4 favour), they will have exclusive bundles, it will push PS4 hardware sales not XB1s.
Destiny did not sell better on X1 (at least not on launch month), it sold better without counting those exclusive bundles that pushed PS4 hardware sales giving PS4 a big victory last September (225k or 250k over X1? I don't remember).
Batman and Star Wars...same story there will be bundles and will be positioned as the next must have games for PS4 by the exclusive marketing. The seventh Star Wars movie will create a lot of hype and buzz around that bundles.
The point is simply that Sony is handling their marketing partnership way way better than MS and they're doing all the right moves so far.
MS....well they have just lost exclusivity of COD rights after what...10 years?
Yeah this to me is the most disturbing part of the entire numbers. Not the decrease in revenue. Not the actual units. The fact that Xbone at best is flat YoY while being $150 cheaper is certainly not a good statistic, and something I guarantee MS isn't happy about.
To put it into perspective, if the PS4 went down by $150 does anyone believe it would be flat YoY? That is the part of these shipment numbers that is the most disarming.
Also is it just me or did the conversation about who gets to market a 3rd party game get super weird this gen? Is it because of the lack of real 3rd party exclusives making marketing distinction more important? I remember it being called a waste of money and even worse than timed exclusives. Whatever the case I think it actually works.
Damn, that's a pretty grim post (for MS). And they lost the Cod marketing? I mean, it gets rumored every year but I didn't know it was official.
Also is it just me or did the conversation about who gets to market a 3rd party game get super weird this gen? Is it because of the lack of real 3rd party exclusives making marketing distinction more important? I remember it being called a waste of money and even worse than timed exclusives. Whatever the case I think it actually works.
Damn, that's a pretty grim post (for MS). And they lost the Cod marketing? I mean, it gets rumored every year but I didn't know it was official.
Also is it just me or did the conversation about who gets to market a 3rd party game get super weird this gen? Is it because of the lack of real 3rd party exclusives making marketing distinction more important? I remember it being called a waste of money and even worse than timed exclusives. Whatever the case I think it actually works.
Now you have to ask the question does the PS4 really need a redesign its already a pretty sleek device. I think a redesign for the PS4 would be in the 4th year like the PS2.
Nothing official yet about cod marketing.
Now you have to ask the question does the PS4 really need a redesign its already a pretty sleek device. I think a redesign for the PS4 would be in the 4th year like the PS2.
Oh it for sure works. Look at how many units the Destiny bundle sold. Look at how Destiny on PS4 outsold Destiny on Xbone even though it was a Bungie title. Inversely Evolve was marketed on Xbone. Guess what? It sold better on Xbox One.
Now of course there will be exceptions, like I'm thinking that Witcher 3 will sell more on PS4 probably even though it has a MS deal, but in general these marketing deals certainly seem to have some impact.
MS losing COD marketing is still a rumor, but I won't be surprised if MS actually did.
Well, there is a debate of whether gaining marketing rights to a 3rd party game is ethical. However, it has benefited both Sony (Destiny) and Microsoft (AC: Unity).
Nothing official yet about cod marketing.
There is a tonne of ways they could redesign the ps4. Size is not the only thing to consider for a redesign.
The question is if the gap keeps getting bigger, would they lose AC marketing too?MS losing COD marketing is still a rumor, but I won't be surprised if MS actually did.
Well, there is a debate of whether gaining marketing rights to a 3rd party game is ethical. However, it has benefited both Sony (Destiny) and Microsoft (AC: Unity).
down 24%, effect of aggressive price cuts?
i wonder how sales would be if MS didn't screw the pooch with the DRM reveal.
Better question would be, how would Xbox One sales be if MS had a $399 Xbox One from the start along with a $499 Kinect bundle?
I'd say better than now.
Better question would be, how would Xbox One sales be if MS had a $399 Xbox One from the start along with a $499 Kinect bundle?
I'd say better than now.
Better question would be, how would Xbox One sales be if MS had a $399 Xbox One from the start along with a $499 Kinect bundle?
I'd say better than now.
Better question would be, how would Xbox One sales be if MS had a $399 Xbox One from the start along with a $499 Kinect bundle?
I'd say better than now.
Hindsight is 20/20.
Its just the third console curse striking again.
The aggressive bundling last holiday season might have been too desperate, people might wait and see what kind of insane deals they get for black Friday and this holiday season.A $399 Xbox One from the start, with an actual good reveal and none of the DRM, TV, TV, TV, TV stuff would have been an entirely different story. I'm not saying it would have outsold the PS4 or anything but it would have a drastically better performance, I would bet anything on it.
That reveal / price combo was the worst I've ever seen in the industry. Its astounding how badly the executive team at MS screwed their own product.
Tcc doesn't exist, only nintendo and Sony had had it.
Not just better, but a lot better.
Unity deal is something else entirely. That $350 Unity bundle has pretty much been the standard SKU since November.MS losing COD marketing is still a rumor, but I won't be surprised if MS actually did.
Well, there is a debate of whether gaining marketing rights to a 3rd party game is ethical. However, it has benefited both Sony (Destiny) and Microsoft (AC: Unity).
Tcc doesn't exist, only nintendo and Sony had had it.
Xbox one had one of the worst reveals ever, it definitely had it.
Xbox One definitely fits.
And Sega? Mega Drive > Genesis > Saturn?
Unless we're counting the 32X and Sega CD.
(And obviously the curse doesn't really exist)
And its still second place.
It would be better but way better? I don't know, Playstation is way stronger Worldwide regardless, the reveal is not really a factor now. It would be close and maybe a small lead in the US and UK, but launching same time as playstation pretty much means being behind sony unless something really drastic happens.
Xbox One definitely fits.
And Sega? Mega Drive > Genesis > Saturn?
Unless we're counting the 32X and Sega CD.
(And obviously the curse doesn't really exist)
So was ps3.....that's not saying much when wii-u sales are a disaster.
The reveal is still a factor imo. I think MS burned some serious bridges with that, even though they changed it. Fact is tons of people buy and resell games. Usually "the Internet" isn't representative of overall trends but I've never seen so much outward anger as the Xbone reveal had.
I mean there was Facebook posts from MS after the announcement with literally TONS of comments basically saying F U.