Yes that's true, but it doesn't change the fact that Intel has only announced the cancellation of the mobile line of Atoms, not the Atom line in general.
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Yes that's true, but it doesn't change the fact that Intel has only announced the cancellation of the mobile line of Atoms, not the Atom line in general.
I don't get the fascination with docking your phone. Desktop computers are pretty cheap nowadays and I'd rather have my phone separate from my desktop/laptop. No one is going to carry a keyboard, mouse, and monitor with them when a laptop is more convenient. Docking your phone isn't necessary when the cloud exists and you can sync documents across devices.
Continuum allows you to use your phone on a desktop, but it is still not a full desktop experience. It is simply putting your windows phone screen on a monitor.
To get the full desktop functionality, they are going to expand the install size with drivers, services, etc. and that takes space.
juliushandle
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If this means Street Fighter V on a cheap tablet then I'm all for it.
I work for a company that employs 400,000 people worldwide. We are rolling out Windows 10 to employees when their current hardware reaches end of life. There have been no issues so far.
Windows 10 will confuse everybody? It's not much different from Windows 7. Users adapt quickly. I remember when MS Office started using the ribbon and my users were confused and pissed for a few weeks and then adapted. When they took it out for 2010 (I think?) my users were pissed again. LOL
Funkyhamster
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I rarely use laptops as laptops due to hand problems -- at any given time, I am either on a tablet/phone or on a desktop/docked laptop. For me, having a tablet/phone that doubled as a PC would mean I only need to buy one device (well, unless I want a gaming PC).
Which is ironic considering how Apple went through a similar process with Rosetta and Cocoa to get off PowerPC and go over to.. Intel.
Docking is so 20th century. This is only gonna take off when it's 100% wireless.
I have no doubt Apple's had a prototype Mac running on ARM since iPhone development began. They had OS X running on Intel since 10.0.
That one device you buy isn't complete if you're looking to use it as a desktop. You still need to buy a monitor and keyboard. Sure you probably have an existing one, but most people also have an existing desktop.
This is all my speculation of course but i bet my butt that Apple is tired of Intel shenanigans like forcing them to release new products with old hardware, waiting multiple delays for them to release new products and forcing to change their products because their silicon strategy don't match.
In my opinion Apple internally already has ready to a certain level of completion in-house desktop grade ARM silicon for Mac... and OS of course.
Look at the MacBook Pro for example, it used Haswell for 2-3 years because of delays, they probably wanted to use Kaby Lake for the new one but couldn't because again delays/iffy release strategy and roadmap and last but not the least imho in order to make true a selling point they wanted to have which is driving two 5K display with the machine they had to forcibly include a discrete GPU and raise the cost of the product both for them and the customers because Intel roadmap for their integrated GPU is weak to say the least.
One of the reasons that could eventually limit Apple to release an ARM Mac is the loss of Windows compatibility but now that Microsoft let the cat out of the bag and made it very clear that they want their main OS on ARM the road for Apple is clear.
NeOak
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Continuum works with a Miracast display and Bluetooth mouse and keyboard.
It's already wireless if you want.
NeOak
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The fuck? PCs were being refreshed pretty much every year.
That's not Intel's fault. That's on Apple for focusing on fucking iOS shit as desktop replacement rather than updating the damn Mac hardware.
You know we have been through 3 new Xeon lines since the Mac Pro came out.
PC were refreshed every year because they didn't need the same processors MBP used, the MBP needed Iris Pro which was always months later the version with same CPU but "normal" Iris graphics that everyone else used.
For the Mac Pro i think the problems are other like the weird form factor they used for their pcb and other stuff.
The problem is a mix of Intel perpetually failing to deliver on promises, and Apple's stubborn rigidity.
Intel shows Apple a roadmap, Apple develops their hardware around that roadmap, and when the roadmap leads to nowhere Apple refuses to compromise.
Makes you wonder with AMD revealing Zen soon will affect competitor's plans. Will Apple choose AMD over Intel?
Intel is going to disappear when the competition catches up.
Qualcomm bests them in wifi and cellular modems.
Apple + Nvidia trashes them in SoC design.
AMD integrated graphics beats out Intel integrated graphics.
I guess they still have a leg up for enterprises and can cater to those only until ARM takes over.
Intel is going to disappear when the competition catches up.
Qualcomm bests them in wifi and cellular modems.
Apple + Nvidia trashes them in SoC design.
AMD integrated graphics beats out Intel integrated graphics.
I guess they still have a leg up for enterprises and can cater to those only until ARM takes over.
as much as I know they are cancelling cheap Atoms, and only expensive ones will remain... so there is no way anyone will be able to offer intel tablet/laptop under $400 anymore, like core-m's are priced today.
This is why MS is turning to qualcomm, because chip makers profitability is not MS's problem. Plus it enables them to offer something special for their phones too, eventually.
Basically this is most suited for move vs Chrome OS, and gives it advantage of being able to run x86 apps where previously WinRT had disadvantage of much lower availability of native apps than Chrome.
Hopefully this means they get some share for cheap laptops and tablets so app makers make more native apps for Win 10 ARM.
I also work for a large global company and it's the same here. And that's just workstations. We'll eventually migrate to Windows Server 2016 as well. Those blanket claims aren't based in reality.
NeOak
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I remember when Apple used to refresh Macbooks twice a year, changing things not only CPU wise, but GPUs and screens. Early and Late 2012 models, 2013, 2014, until 2015.
Now? "Hey, finally getting that CPU that came out last year in the fall because they couldn't be bothered to do a Spring refresh. iOS stuff takes precedence!"
Their true purpose was to make the Macbook as upgradeable as a $10 toaster.
Yeah sure Apple primary objective is to make sure you cannot upgrade your hardware and they didn't release a new notebook because of that and because iOS stuff take precedence... whatever man.
The future is not wireless, it is going to be usb C.
One plug from your phone into a monitor which acts as a dock for everything else.
I think the high end ARM chips are not far off from being desktop replacements (desktop does not mean gaming, they are not replacing gaming pc's but most people don't play games on their computers).
Or maybe it's because things have plateaued and updates don't offer quite the bang that they used to. A new phone CPU may offer twice the power of the previous year's, but on the desktop front you're lucky if it's 15% more.
There's still no excuse for the Mac Pro situation, though.
As for "last year's CPU" in the MBP? I'm sure Apple wanted Kaby Lake, and that's why they waited so long, but again, Intel failed to deliver and they couldn't wait any longer.
Junior Mint
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Interesting. Been looking at moving away from OS X for the last little while now. I'd be all over a cheap Surface Pro that can just do web browsing and Microsoft Office as opposed to spending $1500 CAD on a MacBook.
NeOak
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As someone that has used, repaired and upgraded older Macbooks, the current ones are a let down.
I'll give you that on the CPU upgrades, that is true.
The Mac Pro is... its own story.
True, everyone wants Kaby Lake.
Sky Interloper
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This move is probably going to play in the case of the next Surface, not the Pro - I just don't see them abandoning the Core M/i5/i7 configs anytime son for that product. But if this works as good as the current demos being shown I wouldn't be surprised if that scenario pans out, MS and the hardware makers making a play for the low-to-mid market without dealing with Intel shenanigans/costs.
Next year's hardware event just became much more interesting. I wonder what Panos and huis group are cooking for the Surface line, as this year they skipped on a 5th iteration of their tablets.
andythinkpad
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The problem here is neither MS nor Google let OEM make dual booting devices.
So the only dual booting things you can buy are China tablets. I have a couple, the software is very buggy, especially in the Android side.
I would love to get a dual booting 7-9" tablet I can run both Google map and Photoshop outside.
So the only dual booting things you can buy are China tablets. I have a couple, the software is very buggy, especially in the Android side.
I would love to get a dual booting 7-9" tablet I can run both Google map and Photoshop outside.
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