Mr.Fletcher
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MS had their own Naughty Dog in Rare, but they ruined them.
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Microsoft needs more studios and more games taking advantage of the Xbox hardware
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Just imagine a slightly worse looking Uncharted 4
generic_username
I switched to an alt account to ditch my embarrassing tag so I could be an embarrassing Naughty Dog fanboy in peace. Ask me anything!
Bookmarking this post and will return after sales results for uncharted 4 is out along with hardware bump in May and additional ps plus subscriptions as a result of that bump
Lys Skygge
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PS4 isn't exactly a graphical powerhouse and yet we have a few PC gamers claiming that UC4 looks better than most PC games. Naughty Dog has a great understanding of the hardware they have to work with and use a lot of tricks to make their games look as good as they do. If Microsoft had a studio that understood the XB1 as much as ND does the PS4, they'd be able to make a game that blows a lot of the competition away.
DISSESHOWEDO
Banned
MS needs to allow more creativity and freedom to their studios, imo! They should not only focus on genres like TPS,FPS and racing! This is the one thing i like in Sony and Ninty they have all!
LukasTaves
Member
They have games doing stuff on their hardware that no one else is doing no where else.
Ryse had post processing in a so high quality that at the time not even Crytek games on Pc had and that still very rare on console games, Quantum Break is just insane and on a league on its own right now (very high asset quality even for NPCs, the very best lighting implementation of any game I've seen, insanely crazy particle and effects work and so on).
They also had Fable Legends, which was pretty amazing graphics wise, specially the lighting, and Sea of Thieves looked very impressive as well, very impressive water even.
3rd parties are also making very good looking games for it, Rise of Tomb Raider and The division (even though the last is not on an equal footing compared to the PS4 version, it's one of the best looking 3rd party game on either console) And even Platinum managed to make an impressive looking game for it. Not to mention Sunset Overdrive, incredibly beatiful and smooth and it's specially impressive if you consider it's an open world game with that much going on.
Ryse had post processing in a so high quality that at the time not even Crytek games on Pc had and that still very rare on console games, Quantum Break is just insane and on a league on its own right now (very high asset quality even for NPCs, the very best lighting implementation of any game I've seen, insanely crazy particle and effects work and so on).
They also had Fable Legends, which was pretty amazing graphics wise, specially the lighting, and Sea of Thieves looked very impressive as well, very impressive water even.
3rd parties are also making very good looking games for it, Rise of Tomb Raider and The division (even though the last is not on an equal footing compared to the PS4 version, it's one of the best looking 3rd party game on either console) And even Platinum managed to make an impressive looking game for it. Not to mention Sunset Overdrive, incredibly beatiful and smooth and it's specially impressive if you consider it's an open world game with that much going on.
DISSESHOWEDO
Banned
MS had a lot of studios that made quality games, but the they either let them go or closed them down for not allowing creative freedom, imo!
I think MS need more internal studios focused on big budget games as a way to showcase the console and they need to allow their studios to not get stuck in a cycle of making the same games over and over again.
However I think MS seem to be funding big new games with 3rd parties. Leaving a small set of internal studios focused on Xbox games (they've a few studios work on Hololens stuff so I'm not counting those) and those seem to be working only on recognised franchises like Halo, Forza and Gears of War.
However I think MS seem to be funding big new games with 3rd parties. Leaving a small set of internal studios focused on Xbox games (they've a few studios work on Hololens stuff so I'm not counting those) and those seem to be working only on recognised franchises like Halo, Forza and Gears of War.
RedSparrows
Member
Again, what is the actual issue if we're getting both the 'core' games and new stuff like Scalebound, SO, Sea of Thieves, etc etc etc?
SurfaceofChristianity
Banned
Microsoft doomed?
I don't honestly see why they need to own their own studios to have new IP or games that "push" the hardware. They seem to like to do partnerships and mainly keep ownership of studios they make their big franchises as seen by recent changes. Which isn't a bad strategic at the end of the day. They just need to invest in new IP more which they seem to be doing.
Like it's been said why those it matter that they own studios at this point?
Like it's been said why those it matter that they own studios at this point?
tedrotheredro
Member
Why isn't anyone taking advantage of Microsoft's cloud?!
That's generally not true. Games targeting a single platform can make optimizations specific to that platform and thus improve performance over multi platform engines.
I can't spot any Xbox title they're missing as of today?
WhiteWaterM00se
Member
Call up Nintendo, they seem to have alot of idle time now.
Banjo-Kazooie
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Cool. Linking to Wikipedia is stupid to prove that is what I'm saying
I can see like 20 just off top of my head
That poster said exclusives, which goes off of Wikipedia filtering not publishing.
mejin
Member
So the next phase would be to shut it down.
Black Mantis
Member
Don't agree that they need more internal studios if outsourcing to a 3rd party is viable. What difference does it make if Scalebound is developed by Platinum or Rare?
Do they need more exclusives? Personally I don't think so, but I currently play games across 3 platforms and also don't have a lot of time to play games as I used to, so am happy if they only release a handful of exclusives a year.
If you feel that you're looking enviously at another platform's titles, that don't have an MS equivalent, save up and buy that as well. My Wii U has provided me with some awesome moments I'm unlikely to get on the X1.
Do they need more exclusives? Personally I don't think so, but I currently play games across 3 platforms and also don't have a lot of time to play games as I used to, so am happy if they only release a handful of exclusives a year.
If you feel that you're looking enviously at another platform's titles, that don't have an MS equivalent, save up and buy that as well. My Wii U has provided me with some awesome moments I'm unlikely to get on the X1.
Then you have Shinobi's thread about released games for Xbone/PS4. So, you should count games. As i said : Xbone has less exclusive games by a decent amount.
SEGAvangelist
Member
Shinobi always misses games in those threads.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I should have said graphical powerhouse by console standards. But still, if devs like 343, Remedy, and The Coalition can't figure out the full power of the Xbox One but KojiPro can make MGSV not only run smoothly but look better than any MS exclusive and it performs even better on PS4, that's not a good look for MS and the Xbox.
Excuses, excuses, excuses. This is an old list ( before Xbone games coming to PC announcement and also Rocket League is on Xbone ) and it's not updated anymore. But, will serve.
Can MS really afford to? It has become very clear that they're only interested in games that can sell.
electric turd
Banned
Because Microsoft gave up on that months ago. They dont even talk about the cloud anymore. I know cloud computing has advantages but it cant offset weak hardware enough to make a difference.
OK, such as...?
the bone is just too weak.no amount of exclusives will help it. i expected halo 5 to blow me away graphically after i saw what 343 did on 360 but what did they do ? 60 fps campaign with similar graphics as halo 4... biggest disapointment ever and i firmly believe they have to fight an uphill battle next time to even stay relevant with the franchise
look at quantum break for example, that game looks great at times but i bet that already pushes the xbone to its limits.... they just fucked up by putting don mattrick (who in the meantime is running zynga into the ground) in charge of the bone division
you cant deny phil spencer trying to turn things around but the bones inital reveal just poisoned the whole console... just get rid of it and reboot it with a focus on power and games
look at quantum break for example, that game looks great at times but i bet that already pushes the xbone to its limits.... they just fucked up by putting don mattrick (who in the meantime is running zynga into the ground) in charge of the bone division
you cant deny phil spencer trying to turn things around but the bones inital reveal just poisoned the whole console... just get rid of it and reboot it with a focus on power and games
This generation of consoles is generic from a hardware standpoint. I see no evidence that top end multiplatform games don't take advantage of what's there.
If the end result is disappointing to some we all know the culprit.
ElBoxyBrown
Banned
I forgot how bad the exclusive releases were on 360 after 2010. If you didn't have a Kinect there wasn't shit to play.
gaming_noob
Member
It's one person so far and he wasn't even serious (judging by the lack of period in the sentence).
Huh? What is it exactly you think I'm saying?
Luckydog
Member
Is it really that hard to see that when a companies resources are focused on only one piece of hardware, that they might be able to wring a little more performance out of it?
geez it was a joke post dont get your panties in a bunch
Not with this gen of consoles I don't see it.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Wow, If you seriously want to call that butthurt.... I can only laugh because that's just hilarious. So when I want something great for my console of choice that's being butthurt? I could have mentioned other developers but ND ARE showing what they can do with the PS4 hardware. Wanting a dev similar to that on Xbox is butthurt. Gotcha.
Ricky Ricardo
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You should've known this was not a fortuitous time to post such a thread though Tats. Could've waited for post-E3 to see what's shaking. A lot of drive-bys will just assume you're shook by Uncharted 4. Plus you mention ND in the OT as well.
We've already got list wars going.
But you sound like that you're butthurt or salty or whatever...You mentioned ND in OT, man. Why? I'm just curious. Especially after U4 reviews. And you have bunch of similar threads on other forums like yours.
Luckydog
Member
I don't think we have seen it "yet". I get the whole "generic" PC parts thing of these consoles, but we have not seen many huge "hits" from both Sony and MS. Sony has been notoriusly slow on some of its big games with UC4 just now coming out (and looking great). Forza 6 imo looks amazing on Xbone.
But how many other key exclusive games have come out that are not remasters or cross gen games.
Tatsumi Oga
Banned
Kinect? The idea behind Kinect was alright, but for me this is where 360 started to go downhill fast. As soon as they had announced the Kinect, we got very few exclusives from there. I personally don't believe in actual good Kinect games.
I'm afraid so too man, but that's a shame. Sunset Overdrive was one, although that wasn't in house. I guess people are right when they said it doesn't really matter if it's inhouse or not. QB isn't inhouse either, so maybe they can find more third party developers to make games for them? Take advantage of that hardware?
If they had given up on Xbox, i don't think they even would have had an E3 show this year. Come on man.
Yeah i guess that does make sense. It's a shame they closed Lionhead and the next Fable should have never been Legends. Should have either been a brand new IP or a singeplayer Fable. Why Press Play was closed we don't even really know, do we? Sad, because i really really enjoyed Max.
Rise of the Tomb Raider is a fantastic game, i think plenty of people remember it. I for one can't wait to see what Crystal Dynamics does next for TR.
Well, Ryse to this day still manages to impress me. Gameplay wise it may not be all that, but damn overall the graphics are lovely. And that was a launch game. If devs go for it, not necessarily always push for 60fps....things can be done with this hardware.
All he said is he wishes MS had a studio of Naughty Dog's calibur. That OP was just stating he wishes MS would have more studios and focus on more internal games and he COMPLIMENTED Naughty Dog (and other devs for what they've accomplished). The OP in no way was butthurt, salty or the like in fact I thought the OP was really well written without trying to cause anything. Other posters decided to fan the flames (you included).
Ryse on Xbox looked good and that was a launch title. No doubt fidelity can increase the better you know the hardware, my point was that this is not exclusive to exclusives. Multiplatform games do that as well.
See BF4 vs Battlefront on Xbox One.
Therefore I hold the belief that top multiplatform games on Xbox One are representative of how powerful the console is, and exclusives are not anymore.
VincentMatts
Member
I find the hardware a gigantic disappointment. From the UI (which granted has gotten better) to how games perform....not a good generation so far for them imo
Well, i understood OP in that way because you have bunch of similar threads like this one. Especially now after U4 reviews.