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Microsoft officially pulls DRM from Xbox One, announces new policies
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SpeedySwaf
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Very glad to hear about the reversal. I'm now much more open to getting it, though I'll still need to save up, given the price.
Wow at all the "M$", also no company in the WORLD is going to promise you that their policies aren't going to change. That's not shocking at all.
Crantius_Colto
Member
I'd like to be able to play my Halo 5 multiplayer online without someone potentially watching me or measuring my heart rate.
I'll never forget how dangerously close we came to an all-DRM future, and that it was Microsoft's fault. All it took was for the guy who calls the shots at Sony to say "Hey MS's doing it, so we can do it and get away with it!" The industry really wouldn't have cared that Nintendo wasn't doing it, since they've divorced themselves into their own reality long ago.
Instead Sony - to their great credit - did the right thing, and a GAF inspired outrage campaign sealed the deal.
This really is a history making day. In any industry now any company that wants to try DRM crap will remember that one time when mega corporation Microsoft was felled by even attempting it, and they'll back off.
Instead Sony - to their great credit - did the right thing, and a GAF inspired outrage campaign sealed the deal.
This really is a history making day. In any industry now any company that wants to try DRM crap will remember that one time when mega corporation Microsoft was felled by even attempting it, and they'll back off.
Canis lupus
Member
LOL
They also said the console couldn't function without online, and the requirement couldn't be removed... so, you know, maybe you can't completely trust them.
I kid... abit
Burn
haha
Hydrargyrus
Member
I don't trust in MS anymore...
I definitely agree with this. This is obviously their plan to make gamers think that they completely done away with DRM entirely just to make themselves look better right now, but to secretly implement it back in slowly through firmware updates one update at a time in which unsuspecting consumers won't know about.
The funny thing about that is that SCE never considered that option in the first place (Link.).
That's funny shit
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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freenudemacusers
Member
you can put a fart back in the box, but if the fart was particularly odious, people might not trust you around boxes for a while.
GoofsterStud
Member
Microsoft needs to say. "We won't add the DRM back in with a future update."
There is a reason they aren't saying that, in fact they are saying quite the opposite with Microsoft can"not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future."
There is a reason they aren't saying that, in fact they are saying quite the opposite with Microsoft can"not give any reassurance that Microsoft will not change its policies in the future."
jfoul
Member
I think Microsoft needed to hit the middle ground with consumers. Instead, they went extreme with the original announcement, and now the removal of almost everything they planned.
I'm very happy about the used game restriction removal. Microsoft should have changed the online check to once every two weeks. If you're offline during the check, having the disc in the tray is mandatory. With these changes, we could still have the disc installs and the family library sharing... along with being able to manage our games like we do now.
I'm very happy about the used game restriction removal. Microsoft should have changed the online check to once every two weeks. If you're offline during the check, having the disc in the tray is mandatory. With these changes, we could still have the disc installs and the family library sharing... along with being able to manage our games like we do now.
Even better, they said that they couldn't give that assurance.
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=596936
No company will guarantee you they won't change their policies.
Are you seriously thinking they're going to go down the line in a year or so and go "Haha suckers! DRM On! Suck it!"?
Didnt they just say "OH SHIT, dem pre-orders! XBOX: No DRM"?
GoofsterStud
Member
As an ex Microsoft employee. You bet!
Though they will say do to increase in piracy...blah blah blah.
The people who think they are going to add in all of the DRM stuff after specifically removing it because of this shitstorm nightmare are insane.
Not to say they won't do it with another console in the future, but it was way too soon to attempt what they were trying. They need to refocus the XB1 and give digital incentives. Ease into an all digital console over a generation instead of an abrupt and scary leap from the 360.
Not to say they won't do it with another console in the future, but it was way too soon to attempt what they were trying. They need to refocus the XB1 and give digital incentives. Ease into an all digital console over a generation instead of an abrupt and scary leap from the 360.
They can legally, and there is not much you can really do about it. Whether they will or not comes down to whether they think they will make more profit one way or the other. The stuff you "sign" when you connect to Xbox live or purchase the console basically says they can change the terms, and the service at any time... and can end your service for any reason (or no reason at all).
RebornYeti
Member
How dumb would that be?
"Hey guys, I'm so glad you're enjoying all your used games, so here's a nice shiny DRM for you. Enjoy!"
No way that would fly. (With the consumers)
Kinda counterproductive isn't it? Complain when you feel you're not getting a good deal, but don't make it harder for companies to actually respond in the manner you want. Praise isn't required (we don't owe these people anything) but acknowledgement and respect for the reversal is self interest really.
Um...of course? It's insanity to think they're just going to throw away all of these plans.
TAJ
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.
People are much more prone to defending a product that they've already put a lot of money into than one they haven't spent any money on.
GoofsterStud
Member
1.) It's a closed system
2.) It's perfectly legal (PS3 removed Linux)
3.) It's easy to do
4.) They already see the greed
5.) They already spent the funds...it's ready.
Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
I'm pretty sure even a company as big as microsoft wouldn't get away with all the illegal aspects of such a turnaround.
Unknown Soldier
Member
MS was legit shook.
The saying goes: "If you want to make someone mad, punch them in the face. If you want to make them pay attention, punch them in the WALLET."
Consumers punched MS in the wallet by preordering PS4 over 180 by a ratio of anywhere from 3:1 to 10:1 depending on region and who's counting. MS noticed and pulled a U-turn, and here we are.
The question is if Halo 4 has squandered all the goodwill built up from the franchise in one outing or not.
I think its nice to focus on the games, this whole console has been a fucking nightmare from start to finish. Every single thing they showed every single game the revealed always at the back of that was all this anti consumer bollocks, now we can look forward to a games machine for the games and services instead of all the different ways it was fucking us over.
Well Sony did take away Linux due to piracy
at the end of the day even if they say you can turn off listening features it is NOT completely off at all. If you could shut it off completely you would be able to unplug it and your console should still work
So yes it IS always on not matter what carefully worded PR drivel they feed you
StevePharma
Member
Already pre-ordered both systems so this is good news to wake up to.
Precisely, and that was justified by them with the EULA, legal or not.
GoofsterStud
Member
Past:
PS3 (Remove Linux, that can't be legal)
Steam Service Agreement Changes after changing the rules and gating you to play previous purchased games (that can't be legal)
Origins doing the same thing (that can't be legal)
Future:
Microsoft changing and doing the same thing (that can't be legal)
The presadant has already been set and is legal in the US and EULA.
Now the thought of buying physical games that can't be resold is still in question for EULA.
hooijdonk17
Member
Well, now that XBONE is for people who aren't connected, who is the XBOX 360 for?
Fallout-NL
Member
In effect (and in the long run) it doesn't matter that much. I assume they're going to be selling most of their games as digital downloads as well.
Dreamgazer
Member
XBone's game still need initial internet activation. So technically 360 is still the go to console for those who aren't connected.
hooijdonk17
Member
Then who is the XBONE for?
They make it sound so much like XBONE does not need an internet connection.. And it's not true, the shit is still connected and still treats physical media like online downloads in that it has to activate it on your account before letting you play it..
All they eliminated is the 24 hour check-in.
MS, fuck off.
Alx
Member
I'm starting to consider doing the opposite... I thought the launch games were ok-ish but I was tempted to buy one to support the ambition of that project and counter the general backlash, but now that it's only an upgraded 360 it is really less exciting. :/
From what they said, only the console has to be activated online once. After that you can play offline forever, using physical support.
Marty Chinn
Member
No. It said the system will need to be setup once via online. After that, you can do what you want offline. Individual games do not need to be activated.
No, you only need to connect to the web the first time you set it up. After that you can go play on Mars if you want.