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Microsoft should get more love for the current state of online gaming

dfyb said:
i play tekken 5 online for free. so does everyone else. the one-time-fee add-on included more than just online play. it required extra development work. for 360 games, the work is already done -- you are paying in addition to your $60 to access that part of your disc.
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Ok... Tekken 5 costs $20 for offline play and $30 for online play. How is that not paying extra to play online????
 
dfyb said:
for 360 games, the work is already done -- you are paying in addition to your $60 to access that part of your disc.
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Give me a fucking break buddy. Talk about a massive exaggeration... this may have happened on occasion but its not the norm. So you hear about this happening once and you blatantly claim with no evidence that every developer does it? Unbelievable.
 
godhandiscen said:
TBH I gave up on that list after a year of DoD:S and it never working. If you say it works now, i'll take your word for it, but if it took them that long to do a silly friends list how long will it take them to do proper matchmaking? I want to play with ppl at my noob skill level 1337ness.
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Yeah it works now, I remember that it never worked before but I just started using steam again and it works fine now.
 
voltron said:
Give me a fucking break buddy. Talk about a massive exaggeration... this may have happened on occasion but its not the norm. So you hear about this happening once and you blatantly claim with no evidence that every developer does it? Unbelievable.
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i'm not talking about DLC. i'm talking about the online multiplayer portion of your 360 games. they've already developed the multiplayer portion of the game -- it's on the disc you bought for $60. but in order to utilize it, you have to pay microsoft a yearly subscription fee in addition to your $60 game.

i was simply contrasting the difference between this and the tekken example, where developers put out the game first and then went back and developed the online portion along with some other features (and in the end the game still costs much less than the typical new release).
 
AdmiralViscen said:
After spending time with Wii, DS, and PS3 online, XBox Live is certainly worth the $3.84 per month that I pay.
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after spending time with steam (in addition to all the console services), XBL is certainly worth the $0 i pay for steam.
 
As good as it is, the fact that you're basiclly paying again for your own bandwidth sorta makes me hesitant to give Live lots of love.
 
dfyb said:
after spending time with steam (in addition to all the console services), XBL is certainly worth the $0 i pay for steam.
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this to me makes no sense...

sure steam is better and is free.. but Xbox Live is very very good also and provides excellent fun. $4 a month isn't exactly a lot of money... especially for a hardcore gamer.

this isn't the fucking fight against big brother... your little flustered aggression against Microsoft over a small online gaming fee isn't going to change anything. Hold your principals on something that actually has importance... and stop wasting your time spreading your anti-microsoft agenda.
 
Karma Kramer said:
this to me makes no sense...

sure steam is better and is free.. but Xbox Live is very very good also and provides excellent fun. $4 a month isn't exactly a lot of money... especially for a hardcore gamer.
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$50 a year to a hardcore gamer is one less game for that hardcore gamer to play. a hardcore gamer spends an excessive amount of their money on games -- how exactly is $50 a year "less" for a hardcore gamer? i think you probably meant "especially for someone who has his mom pay for his XBL account."

to me, XBL is similar to an example scenario where microsoft started charging a yearly subscription to surf the web with internet explorer. ie could have a few nifty features that the other browsers would have to catch up to, but i'm not about to start paying to browse the web when i've been browsing for free for years. i'm not about to start paying to play games online when i've been playing for free for years.

especially when there's no real reason why microsoft has to charge -- and that's why steam is an example that makes PERFECT sense.

this isn't the fucking fight against big brother... your little flustered aggression against Microsoft over a small online gaming fee isn't going to change anything. Hold your principals on something that actually has importance... and stop wasting your time spreading your anti-microsoft agenda.
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well, it is important to me. and i have no problem with other microsoft products.
 
dfyb said:
oh so now we can only give credit to the competition? well sony was microsoft's competition so how can you assume microsoft would have done anything if it weren't for sony and sega?

OH BOY ANOTHER LOOP


i play tekken 5 online for free. so does everyone else. the one-time-fee add-on included more than just online play. it required extra development work. for 360 games, the work is already done -- you are paying in addition to your $60 to access that part of your disc.
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Ok, but how can we give credit to Sony if their service isn't yet up to par with XBL?
 
godhandiscen said:
Ok, but how can we give credit to Sony if their service isn't yet up to par with XBL?
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you just tried to give credit to microsoft for the fact that sony made improvements over ps2's online service. i'm not literally trying to adopt your ridiculous logic to promote other companies. again, i'm just showing you how your logic is flawed and i do this by turning it around on you. my reply was intentionally absurd to show how absurd yours was. i tried to make my sarcasm obvious by the "OH BOY ANOTHER LOOP" comment.
 
I have to pay $50 for live and look at their shitty ads.

But then again they have the only method of keeping track of friends that doesn't suck ass.
 
dfyb said:
after spending time with steam (in addition to all the console services), XBL is certainly worth the $0 i pay for steam.
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There are other consoles with services?
I like how you dropped that in there with Steam btw. A true anti Live shill
 
Great Post!

I agree, before current generation consoles i had no knowledge about online multiplayer, i was playing my Ps2,GC,Xbox single player only not really thinking about multiplayer let alone playing online with friends and testing your skills :P. It was a shock to the system for me personally when first playing GRAW with friends and my family online, XBL services are top notch and i can only see it getting better wih more new functionality features.

Most onliners take XBL services for granted just for its functionality alone, online gaming is now is a big part of my purchasing decsions, Single player is still key for me but i have never experience such long gaming pleasure with online multiplayer. I have both a PS3 and a Xbox 360 but the Xbox always gets the nod for third party games instead on my PS3 for these reasons -

I have built alot of friendships on XBL and my bro's play online and its always a easy choice I.E COD4, And Acheviements it really encurages you to finish the whole game in small doses (im not a ACH/whore but its more incentive for me to play)

im so dissapointed with my PS3 its literally just sitting there collecting dust waiting for a release that i'm interested in (MGS4,Killzone,Uncharted) i really cant wait for Ps3 to really hit off as the POTENTIAL is there.

this is the first time in years when i have felt like that i have paid for something worth its admission price for its content alone.
 
Odrion said:
I have to pay $50 for live and look at their shitty ads.

But then again they have the only method of keeping track of friends that doesn't suck ass.
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The only "ads" they have are related to the service. I shudder to think of the reaction around this place the first time some real ads show up on the service and Live tries to sell you an education at ITT or something. :lol
 
TheRipDizz said:
The only "ads" they have are related to the service. I shudder to think of the reaction around this place the first time some real ads show up on the service and Live tries to sell you an education at ITT or something. :lol
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I've could have sworn that I've seen Axe ads on Live before.
 
TheRipDizz said:
The only "ads" they have are related to the service. I shudder to think of the reaction around this place the first time some real ads show up on the service and Live tries to sell you an education at ITT or something. :lol
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http://www.burgerconitson.com/
 
I used to think I was a hardcore gamer. I played my PS2, Wii, DS and PSP. I collect retro games, read gaming sites, and spent most of my online time on GAF. But the reality was the casual gamer was playing more games than I was. I was too busy furiously debating them with other so called hardcore gamers.

Since buying a 360, Live is the reason I'm playing games again as opposed to whinging and ranting about them on message boards. So yes, I agree with the OP.
 
dfyb said:
after spending time with steam (in addition to all the console services), XBL is certainly worth the $0 i pay for steam.
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Are we talking about consoles or no?



As for ads, 95% of the time my main blade is totally blank?
 
TheRipDizz said:
Those deals, amoung other similar ones, had stuff relating to Live associated with them. I already mentioned this in the post above. Don't know why you felt compelled to post this. Well, that's not exactly true. I have a fairly good idea why you felt it neccessary to post this.
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Oh come on, he may be reaching and has an obvious agenda but that's just bullshit. Those are fucking Doritos and McDonalds ads, there's nothing 'service related' about them.
 
Sega did the groundwork, MS built on top of that.
Both companies did great things for the current state of online gaming, and I'd say we have games like Halo 3, with their massive feature sets, to thank for improvements Nintendo is making in games like Smash Brothers too.
 
lockii said:
Oh come on, he may be reaching and has an obvious agenda but that's just bullshit. Those are fucking Doritos and McDonalds ads, there's nothing 'service related' about them.
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Except for the Game Related contests they were sponsoring?
 
TheRipDizz said:
Those deals, amoung other similar ones, had stuff relating to Live associated with them. I already mentioned this in the post above. Don't know why you felt compelled to post this. Well, that's not exactly true. I have a fairly good idea why you felt it neccessary to post this.
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the doritos one, sure. the burgercon one...? not so much. you'd have a better argument if it was for the midnight gaming championships, but it's not about that. and of course advertisements will try to be related gaming (even though burgercon isn't related at all) -- they are advertising to people playing games. PSN advertises things on the network -- XBL advertises things on and off the network (sometimes not related to gaming at all, unless you make very absurd links like "mcdonalds also hosted MGC, so...").

AdmiralViscen said:
Are we talking about consoles or no?
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i'm talking about gaming. i think of gaming as a whole because i'm a gamer.
 
TheRipDizz said:
Those deals, amoung other similar ones, had stuff relating to Live associated with them. I already mentioned this in the post above. Don't know why you felt compelled to post this. Well, that's not exactly true. I have a fairly good idea why you felt it neccessary to post this.
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Exactly. Any ads you see on the dashboard that appear to be external to the Xbox brand are there due to a cross promotion.
 
I'll say it like this: I highly enjoy Xbox Live, I just know there could be a bit more done to it.

For instance: PC games have had dedicated servers online for free as far back as I can remember and are free. Select PSN titles have dedicated servers online for PS3 and are free.

Xbox Live games are peer-to-peer, no dedicated servers for even their most important games, and dedicated servers aren't going to see XBL until a game that's going to have them on PSN hits Live.

That's just my opinion, though. If not for that, I'd be extremely satisfied with Live overall.
 
godhandiscen said:
Ok, but how can we give credit to Sony if their service isn't yet up to par with XBL?
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Funny, I could have sworn I was just playing a 32 player game over PSN with no lag. Guess I was just imagining it. Either that or you're right and actually playing games online is just an afterthought for such a service.

One more thing; why are so many here eager to rationalise or defend the XBL subscription fee? It makes no sense to me. Online gaming is free everywhere (outside of subscription based MMO's (which I believe you still have to pay for over XBL, correct me if I'm wrong though) but you're all happy to keep paying? Madness, utter madness. With that attitude how can you ever expect anything to change? I mean, by all means sing the praises of XBL and what it's done for console gaming (it's one hell of a valid point) but come on, you are seriously happy to pay for something everybody else gets for free?
 
I'm really surprised that there aren't 360 games with a dedicated server mode. Achievement points could be awarded to those with good connections who let their 360 run a game in dedicated server mode for a certain number of matches.
 
tekneek2k6 said:
I'm really surprised that there aren't 360 games with a dedicated server mode. Achievement points could be awarded to those with good connections who let their 360 run a game in dedicated server mode for a certain number of matches.
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That's a great idea. They'd still happily pay their yearly subscription fees and everything too. You're a genius.

BenjaminBirdie said:
Except for the Game Related contests they were sponsoring?
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How tenuous are we talking here? It's pretty fucking transparent. I feel I'm permitted to talk freely on this subject as I do own an Xbox 360 and do have a Gold membership for Live. I think it's bullshit, money for nothing and no chicks for free.
 
Microsoft should get credit for coopting every technology ever invented and convincing people that it was their idea or their implemention first. You can name anything (including stuff in the beloved Halo 3) and I can tell you who did it first.

The funny part is that when they do this in the OS sector they get crap for it, but for some reason they've managed to make the 360 immune from MSs lack of actual innovation.

I hope I don't get banned for this comment, because I don't know, it might sound abrasive, but I'm being 100% honest here and I can defend my position.
 
freethought said:
Funny, I could have sworn I was just playing a 32 player game over PSN with no lag. Guess I was just imagining it. Either that or you're right and actually playing games online is just an afterthought for such a service.

One more thing; why are so many here eager to rationalise or defend the XBL subscription fee? It makes no sense to me. Online gaming is free everywhere (outside of subscription based MMO's (which I believe you still have to pay for over XBL, correct me if I'm wrong though) but you're all happy to keep paying? Madness, utter madness. With that attitude how can you ever expect anything to change? I mean, by all means sing the praises of XBL and what it's done for console gaming (it's one hell of a valid point) but come on, you are seriously happy to pay for something everybody else gets for free?
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What game were you playing that was 32p? Was it something that's also on XBL?

I think what's largely being ignored here is the game selection. I think everyone needs to ask themselves one very important question: Can you play the exact same game(s) for free elsewhere? It's not even a question of what game is better or more popular. Is there a game on XBL and PC right now in which the former has a larger online community not due in part to timed exclusivity?
 
MS is doing a great job on LIVE but I agree they should lower their yearly fee by enhancing their online ad service. AFAIK the ads we see on LIVE now still can not provide enough money for all the LIVE service, so whoever saying LIVE is ads supporting is totally full of shit.

Anyway, since they're gonna put IP TV on LIVE this(?) year, I can see they're definitely gonna lower the price of LIVE because they will have another cash cow on LIVE and they have to appeal more people to use their service.

Well, just my 2cp.
 
joshcryer said:
Microsoft should get credit for coopting every technology ever invented and convincing people that it was their idea or their implemention first. You can name anything (including stuff in the beloved Halo 3) and I can tell you who did it first.

The funny part is that when they do this in the OS sector they get crap for it, but for some reason they've managed to make the 360 immune from MSs lack of actual innovation.

I hope I don't get banned for this comment, because I don't know, it might sound abrasive, but I'm being 100% honest here and I can defend my position.
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You can do that with *anything* josh, especially in the console biz.
 
joshcryer said:
Microsoft should get credit for coopting every technology ever invented and convincing people that it was their idea or their implemention first. You can name anything (including stuff in the beloved Halo 3) and I can tell you who did it first.

The funny part is that when they do this in the OS sector they get crap for it, but for some reason they've managed to make the 360 immune from MSs lack of actual innovation.

I hope I don't get banned for this comment, because I don't know, it might sound abrasive, but I'm being 100% honest here and I can defend my position.
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Get banned for that? I had no idea if you were being serious, sarcastic, taking the piss, or what.
 
Segata Sanshiro said:
Bah. The real unsung heroes of console online are SEGA. They pushed online hard in the Saturn, included a modem in the Dreamcast, and the work they did setting up SEGAnet literally laid the foundations of Xbox Live.

Microsoft gets credit for finishing the job, though.
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Truth.

If anything I think MS gets too much credit.. .We pay a monthly fee and have to look at those ugly ads.
 
I thought that only MMo's had servers run by developers or publishers. Don't local ISP's host the matches of counterstrike that I play throught steam? If I am correct in this then isnt valve not providing dedicated servers themselves?
 
I like Xbox and where we are cause of them with online gaming. . . as for Sega. . . get the f over it you hosers. . . that's like peope praising cars and some douche coming along saying, "you're an idiot, we wouldn't be where we are if that one guy hadn't "invented" the wheel!" Sega did their thing, it didn't work, MS made the changes and ran with it. Ok, we get it, move on
 
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