I have honestly seen more I'll get it on PC responses than I've seen for 360. But GAF is an enthusiast forum so that is probably heavily skewing those responses.
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Microsoft: "We are winning the games message"
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bigboss370
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MS are not winning the games message, They haven't been for a long time now.
Ol No Bones
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I can see that but people are sitting here and saying that the outlook is bleak for the Xbox having a solid library when it already has a pretty damn good lineup for 2013 and 2014. The only game for 2015 was a teased tech demo from black tusk studios that I know of. There is also the idea that the 2014 will have no surprises for the Xbox and that the ps4 has loads up its sleeves. That is very possible but there is no way of knowing that for sure at this point. I'm just getting a little sick of people hanging on every word Microsoft says and finding a way to negatively spin it. Microsoft thinks it has a good variety of games in the coming years and I agree. I'm just pretty excited about the new consoles and games for both systems but this place can be a real downer sometimes. Sorry about my stupid childish rant. I'm gonna cry now.
But Crimsion Dragon, Zoo Tycoon, Killer Instinct, Lockcycle, and Peggle 2 count?
The appeal of TF is not its graphics
Give me Dead Rising 3, Forza, KI over basically Killzone. If Sony launched w/ Second Son it would be a different story, for me at least.
Sarcasm noted, but I have to say, I could survive the entire launch window on Planetside 2, Blacklight, Warframe, War Thunder and DCU along with PS+ freebies like Driveclub, Resogun (maybe) and others.
How is that not winning????
Value is just about the only thing that can be argued for without this devolving into shitty list wars in which subjectivity means everything.
For me it's pretty much the opposite, the xbone's lineup looks awful to me.
Why did you include planetside 2? Ign lists that as a launch window game.
EmptySpace
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forget resogun and contrast, zumba fitness and fighter within are where it's at.
I believe you, but I don't think the majority shares that sentiment. Killzone looks like a game I've played before. Titanfall looks exciting and different, like something I've never seen on a console shooter before.
Microsoft already said they will only have 15 in the first year
Sony said 20.
We know Sony will have more and Sony has more surprises as only 5-7 games have been announced of 20, compared to Microsoft who has ready announced about 11-13
Imperfected
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To be fair, there is a difference between winning the games messaging and actually, legitimately, having a better selection of games. The fact there are many people here vehemently arguing that the X-Box One has a better launch line-up makes it clear that their messaging is reaching at least some gamers, regardless of the factual size or consistency of their launch line-up.
I guess if you're working for Microsoft, you have to take the small victories at this point. An imagined advantage is still better than nothing, and it at least shows that the PR people are doing their j--oh wait, the first part of that quote was him saying something that should get whoever coaches him about media relations fired.
Well! It was a good run for the -5 seconds it lasted.
I guess if you're working for Microsoft, you have to take the small victories at this point. An imagined advantage is still better than nothing, and it at least shows that the PR people are doing their j--oh wait, the first part of that quote was him saying something that should get whoever coaches him about media relations fired.
Well! It was a good run for the -5 seconds it lasted.
What about The Order? They have shown no gameplay and we have no clue when it is coming out.
IsntChrisL
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I wonder how many times Microsoft can cryptically hint that they can't wait to bring this shit back?
TheJollyCorner
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Both Guerilla and Evolution are cranking things up in the final hours with KZ & Driveclub. I think everyone assuming these are going to be 'mediocre at best' are in for a surprise.
Knack... well... I just have to trust Cerny. Recent impressions indicate it's a lot of fun and actually has a bit of a challenge to it on Normal difficulty. Could be another sleeper.
Unknown One
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People have forgotten about Brink. Titanfall looks like brink with double jump and mechs to me.
Graphically, maybe, but Titanfall by a mile for gameplay.
Titanfall looks nothing like Brink....I mean, you have got to be kidding right?
EmptySpace
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in all the interviews on planetside 2 about ps4, devs are saying they are targeting launch. no news/interviews ever since, but same can be said for dc univ online.
We know its before November after Feburary and everything we saw has been in engine and gameplay has been shown off backstage.
Actually MS said 15 at the reveal, but said 13 at E3, so I assume those 2 games were cancelled/delayed.
Of course there would be less disagreement. Sony WWS has become a force to be reckoned with over the course of the PS3 gen, expanding dramatically, releasing a plethora of acclaimed titles, a huge and substantial amount of variety, a willingness to take risks and a desire to approach bold claims. These experiments are not always a success, but they show a company on the move.
Microsoft, on the other hand, by the middle of the gen was pretty much relying on the same five franchises over and over again with very little in the way of experimentation or even a suggestion that they have the ability to go beyond their horizons. By the end of the gen, once they switched to the abysmal Kinect, their games output was frankly tragic by comparison to Sony.
Now, unlike the rest of this topic with people bluntly stating that one lineup or the other is bad, I am SURE that my view on the quality of Microsoft's games - while shared by many - is not the same as saying it is bad for everyone. Maybe people like the reduced forcus to Halo, Forza, Gears of War and Fable and shitty, abhorrent Kinect experiences. But I can only discuss it from my perspective, and in contrast to their competitor.
The general consensus is that Sony WWS is extremely dominant as compared to Microsoft's, so naturally the only conclusion would be that Sony has tons of high profile games left to announce - we know this by merely cataloguing which major studios and teams have yet to reveal their products, alongside Sony's 20WWS titles in first year announcement - and it would be smart to doubt that Microsoft was capable of the same, until they proved it.
It's really not a fanboy inconsistency.
What have they shown? We have nothing to go off of. It is in a Halo 5 category at this point.
RedNumberFive
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Next time I hope that, at the very least, Microsoft will get me drunk off wine coolers before taking advantage of me.
The gameplay seems familiar, parkour and stuff
Night Hunter
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I agree with the statement in OP if you look at sales. I think the One launch lineup will sell better than the PS4s. Quality is pretty subjective. But I think in the long run Sony is going to wipe the floor when i comes to exclusives, at least if MS doesn't get their act together. Fast!
InvaderZimmer
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This constant fighting about what games are better on what system is an endless hole that truely has no quantifiable outcome and totally depends on the user's preference.
The Order: Inengine trailer and backstage gameplay has been shown.
Halo 5: CG 15 sec teaser.
My theory is I'm getting PS4 at launch with all the big name games then when Titanfall actually launches I'll pick up the xbox one. I'm more excited for killzone over dead rising, But Ryse looks interesting to me. And the Halo tv show is a must have for me. So PS get's my gaming bucks this xmas and MS next summer.
I'm glad to see there is actually a good competition this time around as MS got most of my gaming bucks this current gen.
I'm glad to see there is actually a good competition this time around as MS got most of my gaming bucks this current gen.
EmptySpace
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MS definitely fell off towards the end, focusing on XBLA games and probably on a solid launch for Xbox One. They have said the focus is on first party titles; let's wait and see if they live up to it.
BruiserBear
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That's one way of looking at it, but you could also say "if we haven't heard about projects from ND, SSM, MM, etc, how long does that mean we're gonna be waiting for them"?
Because on the XB1 front, I already know about quite a few games that are going to show up in the first year. Kinda wish I could say the same about the PS4.
Ol No Bones
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Will "only" have 15? That's a lot of games. I didn't realize Sony have stated 20. I can't play that many games anyway but it is quite the output for both publishers.
PanicFreak
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State of Decay?
Kazuma Kiryu
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It really is amazing to see. They treat their handhelds like some kind of bastard child. They still put in some effort, but they've always been way more focused on home consoles.
Ill take Killzone, Planetside 2, Knack, Drivclub and a couple indie games to keep me busy in between over basically Forza.
I named you which one interested me in the least. Never said they equal Killzone.
It would help if we considered what the policies are today, i.e GT6 being announced and launched in 6 months or so. That's the point with Sony, they've learned from their mistakes, and rectified the situation, furthermore, they've innovated and taken the initiative with policies like Indie game support, Instant Game Collection etc.
By contrast, MS have lost touch with what established the original Xbox and 360, they were suckered by the initial success of Kinect, and seemingly designed the Xbox One around this technology, hoping to strike gold by appealing to the casual "gaming" crowd, ala the WIi.
Beerman462
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Yes wait...wait until they remove Kinect and drop the price and make with the games...wait
So lets wait and see once when it comes to Microsoft
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When it comes to Sony, lol no gamez only Killzone.
Logical.
Can Crusher
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They are positioning Ryse as their biggest launch exclusive. A game from a studio that has been declining in quality with each new game they put out, and never made a 3rd person action game.
Dead Rising 3 is small potatoes, with very little interest for the franchise these days. Forza is their big exclusive, but horizon was a dud and with GT6/Need for Speed coming at around the same time I bet it's going to be a soft performer. There's only so much software to be sold considering the amount of consoles available, and between those and the likes of BF/COD/Assassins Creed/Watch Dogs/Fifa.... I'll gamble and say Forza 5 is going to be a bleep in the radar.
Same will happen on the Ps4 with Drive Club/Killzone/Knack. MS's and Sony's exclusives for launch are soft as shit and are going to be dwarfed by 3rd party releases. So really this year, what is going to win is price/availability/best 3rd party versions (online community + performance).
Next year they got TitanFall, but that's not going to sell consoles this year and it being available on 360 and PC is going to do more harm than good for the Xbox One version. PS4 will have Infamous 2nd Son, which I doubt will be too much of a success but we'll see. Deep Down looks like a sure fire stinker.
In the end, MS ain't winning shit when it comes to games and neither is Sony. Price and online community growth will carry these systems in the first year, and Xbox One looks like it's going to hit a brick wall at 499$. They also don't have indies on their side, which means there will be a lot more cheap games to buy on PS4 than on Xbox One....
Dead Rising 3 is small potatoes, with very little interest for the franchise these days. Forza is their big exclusive, but horizon was a dud and with GT6/Need for Speed coming at around the same time I bet it's going to be a soft performer. There's only so much software to be sold considering the amount of consoles available, and between those and the likes of BF/COD/Assassins Creed/Watch Dogs/Fifa.... I'll gamble and say Forza 5 is going to be a bleep in the radar.
Same will happen on the Ps4 with Drive Club/Killzone/Knack. MS's and Sony's exclusives for launch are soft as shit and are going to be dwarfed by 3rd party releases. So really this year, what is going to win is price/availability/best 3rd party versions (online community + performance).
Next year they got TitanFall, but that's not going to sell consoles this year and it being available on 360 and PC is going to do more harm than good for the Xbox One version. PS4 will have Infamous 2nd Son, which I doubt will be too much of a success but we'll see. Deep Down looks like a sure fire stinker.
In the end, MS ain't winning shit when it comes to games and neither is Sony. Price and online community growth will carry these systems in the first year, and Xbox One looks like it's going to hit a brick wall at 499$. They also don't have indies on their side, which means there will be a lot more cheap games to buy on PS4 than on Xbox One....
I was making a joke about your post but it seems it flew over your head higher than a falling star
Or a Xbone, same size
Jesus H Christ...I said it was the only game that interested ME...ME, not you or anyone else..ME.
It goes to demonstrate though how needy gamers are. Seriously, let's say you only want three total games out of PS4's lineup until inFamous: Second Son in February. This is a launch window; I think pretty much all launches suck ass. I hardly want anything from XB1's or PS4's launch, but I will pick up scrappings and cross-gen shit because I must and then try out Killzone (a series I never even liked this gen) and DriveClub (I'm getting more optimistic though) and hope for the best. But I could go forever without playing them. It's the indies who have the most attractive titles I want early on for both platforms.
But in another thread, I was told they don't matter and nobody on Earth buys systems for them.
These arguments are silly because REALLY, how many gamers really need that many games in such a short time frame? If you find three total games you want from any launch window I consider that lucky.
These same people would have Sony announce still yet more first party games for launch, as if they don't realize that the launch is already overcrowded with shit people will be buying for an incredibly too-small userbase. It's simply bad business for Microsoft OR Sony to have many more games at launch window. Exactly how many games do a scant few million people at best need in the first two or three months?
Penguins&PolarBears
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From the guy who disregards all motion control games as not even real games. You don't get to act above it all if you turn your nose up at social, mobile, or motion gaming.
If we take subjective opinions out of the equation and just judge value by what people actually spend money on or buy a console for there is a clear distinction in how important a game is.
Everything else is a subjective argument of personal taste. Even if you go by critics consensus that doesn't work because a game like Just Dance would be meaningless instead of one of the best selling games every year.
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