think about how you use those devices
and even if there's 'better' ways it doesn't negate the fact this is still bs
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Microsoft will "aggressively challenge" any gov't attempt to spy through Kinect
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think about how you use those devices
and even if there's 'better' ways it doesn't negate the fact this is still bs
your xbox / ps3 has just enough power on to detect you turning on the console via your controller. doesn't mean it has power going to everything.w
As has been said multiple times in this thread that feature can be turned off if youre that paranoid. But guess what unless youre also powering down your cellphone or any other listening device that could be tapped into what is the point? Kinect should be the last of your worries.
Septimus Prime
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And how would it determine you said "Xbox on" without listening to everything and picking out that phrase?
This would imply it is mandatory to connect a webcam for these OSes to work - hint: it isn't...
Who said you had to face toward your living room?
some of you..
Seriously? You know this is a real thing. Even if nothing happens to you because of PRISM, the fact that the government disregards privacy rights should be worrisome to even the most spotlessly clean person out there.
SillyEskimo
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I straight up do not believe them.
Uno Venova
Banned
I thought the camera always had power.
Phire Phox
Banned
some of you..
lol, this.
blindrocket
Member
Sounds like damage control.
Dat first post.
Smiles and Cries
Member
what did we expect them to say?
People can hack into stuff to do it.
But it being designed to be on all the time is different.
Theres no case of microsoft or another company hacking into a computer for a government. Kinect could be essentially a security camera into a persons house, recording both what is said, and what is happening. Just by giving 'access'.
There is a huge difference.
the conspiracy is that they would be watching everyone at all times and that MS is siting is bunker somewhere with them scheming about spying on everybody.
Its just silly.
Wow - you basically ignored 95% of the things I said...
If true then why can't I just unplug it?
And I accept the risk with a phone because the trade off is worth it. For a shitty gimmick peripheral? Not so much.
TheContact
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My dad is so paranoid: I used his laptop the other day to fix something for him and he had a piece of duck tape over the camera .. Lol
blurredvision
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Within five feet of everyone posting in this thread lies a smartphone with a camera on the front, a camera on the back, a microphone and a high likelihood of being connected to wifi or a cellular network (or both). Keep Microsoft hating.
Zatoichi's Cane
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Idiots lol
Just confirmed that its pretty much possible to spy on people. LOL
Just confirmed that its pretty much possible to spy on people. LOL
krypt0nian
Banned
They just admitted its possible and they have no choice but to provide the data.
What part of this sounds good?
Air Zombie Meat
Member
That would be silly but no ones claiming that.
If you cant see the difference I feel sorry for you son.
lowhighkang_LHK
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Microsoft, just stop. Stop. Please.
ArkkAngel007
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I agree that what Microsoft is saying is bullshit, because when push comes to shove in any case they will have no choice but to balk with their challenge. However, there is a very twisted image of the results of the data collection, including but not limited to how the data is screened, analyzed, and resulting action. This isn't anything like the device in The Dark Knight or Person of Interest, nor is it someone being able to hit a couple of keys and access your Skype video or key into your party chat on a whim or over a couple of words hit on a screening of the data.
(There have been wiretaps in place, but over the years things have become far more focused on thinning out the data rather than mere interceptions, as demonstrated in the fantastic article from Freki. Wiretaps and signal interceptions are typically further down the line, though as always individuals within a system can and will abuse it if they are that type of individual without the proper oversight.)
If, and it is possible given what we saw with the TSA employees, a person does somehow circumvent all the red tape to spy on a random individual, that is the issue of the individual, not the overall system in place.
Not trying to offend anyone or support the NSA (Too poor of an execution to do both in clarity by all definitions and the execution of the system), but it's hard for us to be seen as having legitimate complaints when their directed towards a fantasy image rather than the far more boring reality of a bunch of servers and paperwork.
Finally, yes, it does set a bad precedent with no positives in sight given how there haven't been any public (if any) claims on the system in place preventing or following up successfully on a threat to the U.S. or their environment of laws. Not going to argue there. Just wish that people would focus more on the direct issues with the system rather than focusing on the more fantastical/improbable/outlier elements.
(There have been wiretaps in place, but over the years things have become far more focused on thinning out the data rather than mere interceptions, as demonstrated in the fantastic article from Freki. Wiretaps and signal interceptions are typically further down the line, though as always individuals within a system can and will abuse it if they are that type of individual without the proper oversight.)
If, and it is possible given what we saw with the TSA employees, a person does somehow circumvent all the red tape to spy on a random individual, that is the issue of the individual, not the overall system in place.
Not trying to offend anyone or support the NSA (Too poor of an execution to do both in clarity by all definitions and the execution of the system), but it's hard for us to be seen as having legitimate complaints when their directed towards a fantasy image rather than the far more boring reality of a bunch of servers and paperwork.
Finally, yes, it does set a bad precedent with no positives in sight given how there haven't been any public (if any) claims on the system in place preventing or following up successfully on a threat to the U.S. or their environment of laws. Not going to argue there. Just wish that people would focus more on the direct issues with the system rather than focusing on the more fantastical/improbable/outlier elements.
Have we gotten a decent explanation as to why the Kinect is required for me to use an Xbone? 360 was probably on its way to become my favorite console of all time until they introduced the Kinect.
It seems like ever since the Kinect was released, 1st party content has become lackluster as has the overall lineup of exclusives. Why not give gamers a choice of $399 Kinect-less Xbone, or $499 mandatory Kinect? I know its been argued at naseum but I still don't understand their reasoning.
It seems like ever since the Kinect was released, 1st party content has become lackluster as has the overall lineup of exclusives. Why not give gamers a choice of $399 Kinect-less Xbone, or $499 mandatory Kinect? I know its been argued at naseum but I still don't understand their reasoning.
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The Everyman
buying a laptop that doesn't come with a camera with a camera is pretty hard these days. but you could always use tape i guess.
Succinct Verbosity
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Why is it that giant corporations can hold the government to ransom on any every issue except this? These companies ship entire manufacturing bases abroad, dodge taxes and do any number of shady things to stick it to the government, yet they HAVE to do this?
Fun fact - my gf does exactly that...
And if you wanted you could unplug the connector for the webcam physically - your notebook would still work.
Congrats to you, I lost my words.
This is the main issue most are arriving at.
What exactly, is the point? The devs already know that each system will come packed with one--so they can create content accordingly. Do they also have to know that we always have it connected?
Can we not be trusted to re-connect the Kinect when it's needed?
I certainly know how to turn on my controller when it's needed.
I don't understand how it is debatable. Microsoft will have a device capable of listening and seeing everything in the room. Do you seriously believe they would not use those informations? With all the benefits involved?
It's like if you had a device that, as a bonus feature, can make any girl wanting to fuck you, and then tell your girlfriend you won't use it because it's wrong/not allowed.
Even if you really wanted not to, guess what would happen eventually?
It's like if you had a device that, as a bonus feature, can make any girl wanting to fuck you, and then tell your girlfriend you won't use it because it's wrong/not allowed.
Even if you really wanted not to, guess what would happen eventually?
no. Your system manager will tell you if camera is on or not.
hell you can even disable driver manually from device manager. On laptop it is non-issue.
blurredvision
Member
Fine, explain the difference. Enlighten me.
Given the accidental security breaches/hacks/leaks this gen I can only imagine the horrors of a next gen accidental security breach/hack/leak; this time aided by a camera connected to the internet, staring into my very soul 24/7.
They've created Sauron, haven't they?
They've created Sauron, haven't they?
I kid I kid, it'll be fine. It's all going to be fine.
There is a reason microsoft has patents for disabling videos if it detects too many people in the room.
Its the future for them. Its also a good source of 'metrics' and shit for advertisers and companies, how many people in the room when x is played? When this app is being used?
the definition of paranoia.
Ploid 3.0
Member
That's smart. Especially if he don't use it much. People actually hack into them.
Ever stop and think that maybe it has an extremely small cache of memory set aside for that? That it maybe...just maybe...only store voice commands in small phrases?
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