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[Mariolee]

They should just replace Miiverse with a Nintendo-centric NeoGAF and see what happens.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Guys just because someone doesn't like Miiverse doesn't mean they therefore must like PSN's rating system. But, for the purposes of this discussion, I'm pretty sure a silly star rating system was a far smaller investment than Nintendo's Miiverse system, and it's also far less intrusive. But I don't look at PSN's rating system either, I just go on GAF and ask you guys what you think of games.

You're ignoring the point. It isn't really reasonable to dismiss all the positive aspects that Miiverse offers because it suffers from the unavoidable and universal problem of being a dedicated service largely populated by people who actually like the service.

That's like complaining that not enough people hate Neogaf on this website. Or that so many people in the Lightning Returns OT like Lightning Returns.

The benefits of Miiverse are simple: easy screenshot sharing, discussion of a game in a community where you can filter out the people who haven't played it, game integration, and easy access to the community for help when you are stuck. It's cool not to like it, but it's strange to deny the obvious value it can offer other people by detracting and condescending to those who do appreciate it.

 

[Pyroclastic]

This is basically the greatest thing to come out of it.


Edit: and the reason I avoid it

you avoid it because of unrequited love?

 

[Cosmozone]

Not advertising Miiverse was by far the biggest marketing mistake IMHO. It's the feature with the most universal appeal - smalltalk and self-reproduction.

 

[Synless]

Nintendo agrees with me though seeing how quiet they have been about Miiverse. What now?

Just because they don't flaunt it doesn't make it any less of a defining feature.

 

[LoveCake]

I hardly use it, it's way too restrictive & it's useless on the 3DS i would rather have SwapNote back on the 3DS so i can actually talk to the 90+ friends i have on there.

 

[outunderthestars]

Not advertising Miiverse was by far the biggest marketing mistake IMHO. It's the feature with the most universal appeal - smalltalk and self-reproduction.

How on earth would you advertise it? Why would a glorified message board make someone want to spend $300 on a console?

 

[Muzy72]

Maybe I'm just impatient but Miiverse is alway too slow for me to actually be usable. I only use Miiverse to check Sakurai's pic of the day, and I don't even use my Wii U or 3DS to do that. I just use my phone.

 

[frankie_baby]

This is where miiverse fails for me. I just bought animal crossing and found a perfect fruit. I simply ask Google and get info about it in less than 3 seconds from pasuing the game.

Going to the animal crossing miiverse takes way more time and only pulls up a stream of drawings and posts like "Viva Animal Crossing".

I was stuck on something in trine 2, quick screenshot and message saying I was stuck and help came in minutes, yeah I could've read a walkthrough but I didn't want the whole game spoiled for me just a quick question and got a quick answer

 

[Tookay]

It's good for screenshots and artwork. The rest of it is - understandably but unfortunately - a forum for kids.

 

[Neff]

For those who don't feel a desperate need to swear or be a prick, it's a cool message board slash art gallery for Nintendo owners, integrated day one into every piece of Wii U/3DS software you'll buy.

While it's not at all anything that's going to be attractive to potential buyers, it's definitely something that gives both platforms, Wii U in particular, a sense of community and user interaction.

The examples of Miiverse at its worst seen in this thread aren't a terribly good example of what it does well.

 

[ZombiePlatypus]

WiiU has numerous appealing qualities, but Nintendo hadn't promoted any of them effectively.

 

[Captain Tuttle]

If I didn't go on GAF, I would never know that Miiverse even existed until actually buying the Wii U. Nintendo doesn't seem to advertise it at all.

If I didn't go on GAF I wouldn't know what a WiiU even is. Seriously, it wouldn't even be on my radar.

 

[Tripon]

Nintendo probably needs to open up Miiverse at some point to the general public. So far, only people who own a Wii U or 3DS can create an account and its obvious that there's more than those people who are Nintendo fans that would participate in Miiverse.

Miiverse can be an effective advertising tool to an audience that may be interested in current Nintendo products but have not bought a current Nintendo console yet, but only if Nintendo allows it.

 

[ironcreed]

Miiverse isn't a forum or a twitter/facebook thing. It's just a community hub where people can go and enjoy a specific game together.

Which I find to be a rather neat integration. If anyone is wondering, this is one of the user videos from some random guy that demonstrated some of the positives to me:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g3gFio9DAo

I'm sure there is a lot of shit to wade through, but it looks like there is a pretty neat community there as well.

 

[7threst]

It's good for screenshots and artwork. The rest of it is - understandably but unfortunately - a forum for kids.

Nope. It's actually a really good place to get help when you get stuck in a game. Also meeting the developers of games is ver much likely on Miiverse. It's so much more than just the drawings people make.

 

[Amir0x]

You're ignoring the point. It isn't really reasonable to dismiss all the positive aspects that Miiverse offers because it suffers from the unavoidable and universal problem of being a dedicated service largely populated by people who actually like the service.

That's like complaining that not enough people hate Neogaf on this website. Or that so many people in the Lightning Returns OT like Lightning Returns.

The benefits of Miiverse are simple: easy screenshot sharing, discussion of a game in a community where you can filter out the people who haven't played it, game integration, and easy access to the community for help when you are stuck. It's cool not to like it, but it's strange to deny the obvious value it can offer other people by detracting and condescending to those who do appreciate it.

It's some persecution complex, I swear. Click to read

But, that said, there's lots of doodles, and it has utility if you're the type who needs to seek help often. But since I don't need to seek help often and I have better venues for drawing, it's basically only the irritating community that is left.

I acknowledged the strengths, and illustrated why they don't matter to people like me. This is a thread about why Miiverse hasn't made Wii U a hit, and to me this is a part of the reason why. However, I'm not going to sugarcoat the way I characterize the Miiverse community. It is fine for you to disagree with my assessment. That's all I have left to say on this score because I'm not saying anything new, and neither are you.

 

[MarkusRJR]

It was decent the first week but them all the younger kids got on it and ruined it. So many dumb posts, spam, and typo ridden posts (to the point of confusion) that you have to soft through made it a chore to look at any of the Miiverse pages. Only good thing to come out of it are the hilariously stupid posts (that get posted online) and the drawings.

 

[Cosmozone]

How on earth would you advertise it? Why would a glorified message board make someone want to spend $300 on a console?

Huh, what kind of stupid argument is that? Are you implying the ads would present Miiverse as the main feature of the console or what.

 

[Elija2]

I think what the OP is referring to is the integration of Miiverse in some games and not just the message board function. Stuff like player ghosts appearing in 3D World and bottle messages in Wind Waker HD.

As for why it's not a system-selling feature, well, other systems can do that kind of stuff too. Dark Souls for example allows messages from other players to appear in your game. Miiverse is nothing special.

 

[ironcreed]

Huh, what kind of stupid argument is that? Are you implying the ads would present Miiverse as the main feature of the console or what.

Yeah, I just think it looks like a great feature that adds to the appeal on the whole. But apparently most are just not fond of it. Whatever, I'm looking forward to giving it a try.

 

[flatearthpandas]

It's some persecution complex, I swear. Click to read

Persecution complex? Please.

I read your post before; I can't say I think you wrote anything worth reading twice but I did you that favor. Detraction and condescension, like I said. Interesting refutation strategy.

But you're right: the thread is about why Miiverse is not a hit. I think all dedicated services are full of fanboys but if you really feel that's a Miiverse exclusive problem then I won't argue with you about it.

 

[Broken Joystick]

https://twitter.com/BadMiiversePost for the source of all of these and more.

 

[outunderthestars]

Huh, what kind of stupid argument is that? Are you implying the ads would present Miiverse as the main feature of the console or what.

You were the one who said the failure to advertise Miiverse was "by far the biggest marketing mistake". I simply wanted to know how advertising a message board community could possibly drive demand. So my argument is stupid. OK professor, educate me on how Nintendo could have advertised Miiverse to consumers as you feel it was their biggest mistake.

 

[Neff]

It was decent the first week but them all the younger kids got on it and ruined it. So many dumb posts, spam, and typo ridden posts (to the point of confusion) that you have to soft through made it a chore to look at any of the Miiverse pages. Only good thing to come out of it are the hilariously stupid posts (that get posted online) and the drawings.

I'd say that it was definitely more interesting and livelier with its first enthusiast adopter community, and also the dozen or so boards it started with compared to the hundreds it has now, but the volume of current junk posts is no more tiresome or offensive than being routinely insulted by chavs, dudebros and teenagers over PSN or XBL.

When I come across someone talented or interesting, I'll follow them, and read their posts from my feed, same as I would on FB or Twitter. Ignoring everything else is easy and painless.

 

[Sacrimoni]

Seems a bit pointless tbh

Nintendo have done some great stuff with inbuult software in their systems (pictochat, swap notes, spot pass etcl but i wouldn't include this

 

[ironcreed]

I think what the OP is referring to is the integration of Miiverse in some games and not just the message board function. Stuff like player ghosts appearing in 3D World and bottle messages in Wind Waker HD.

As for why it's not a system-selling feature, well, other systems can do that kind of stuff too. Dark Souls for example allows messages from other players to appear in your game. Miiverse is nothing special.

It's funny you should mention the Souls series, as that is the first thing I thought about when I saw the in-game messages. Sure, it's nothing new. But it is a system I love.

 

[Tookay]

Nope. It's actually a really good place to get help when you get stuck in a game. Also meeting the developers of games is ver much likely on Miiverse. It's so much more than just the drawings people make.

So a forum for kids, like I was saying?

 

[ironcreed]

So a forum for kids, like I was saying?

I'm 37, and trash aside, I think it looks pretty great. At least the idea behind it. But I'm going to need to get some hands-on time with it before I can be certain.

 

[Tookay]

I'd say that it was definitely more interesting and livelier with its first enthusiast adopter community, and also the dozen or so boards it started with compared to the hundreds it has now, but the volume of current junk posts is no more tiresome or offensive than being routinely insulted by chavs, dudebros and teenagers over PSN or XBL.

And those communities aren't selling points either.

I'm 37, and trash aside, I think it looks pretty great. At least the idea behind it. But I'm going to need to get some hands-on time with it before I can be certain.

If you enjoy it, I'm not going to knock you. I just don't think it's particularly compelling as a standalone feature. A couple in-games uses are clever.

 

[dallow_bg]

Miiverse seemed really cool from some of the enthusiastic posts I've seen here about it during the first year of Wii U's life.

Then I tried it. Won't be touching it again.


The in-game stuff is fine though.

 

[Cosmozone]

You were the one who said the failure to advertise Miiverse was "by far the biggest marketing mistake". I simply wanted to know how advertising a message board community could possibly drive demand. So my argument is stupid. OK professor, educate me on how Nintendo could have advertised Miiverse to consumers as you feel it was their biggest mistake.

Easy, just present it as part of the package (along with the browser) and its integration with games. Now, was that too hard.

 

[flatearthpandas]

Edit: Never mind.

 

[Not]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1Wrx6eQZ1E

 

[Waylon Drums]

Miiverse is great and I definitely think Nintendo has missed the boat on advertising it. One thing it's sorely lacking, however, is an age filter. I'd love to be able to filter out nonsense from anyone under 18. Granted, the place might be a wasteland with the filter on, but I really would like the option.

 

[Deku Tree]

It's too slow. Takes too long to load. That's why.

 

[Interceptor]

There was so much fud spread about this console,people basically believe it has NES graphics, kill their friends and hurt them physically if they touch a Wii U. All the good features are buried under shitloads of negativity.

 

[BundysFeet]

There was so much fud spread about this console,people basically believe it has NES graphics, kill their friends and hurt them physically if they touch a Wii U. All the good features are buried under shitloads of negativity.

Yes. Its the Internet's fault. Nintendo isn't the one to blame. Nope.

 

[Salsa]

Miiverse in 3DS could be so cool if it was a proper client instead of some botched up web version that takes EONS to load

 

[outunderthestars]

Easy, just present it as part of the package (along with the browser) and its integration with games. Now, was that too hard.

You mean the way that they have for over a year now, as you yourself are aware of and even made a thread about? Or when they made a 30 minute Nintnedo Direct that focused on it in 2012? Or when they held a press event to show off Miiverse, created short videos etc. They have marketed Miiverse. Nobody cares though.

 

[Coolwhip]

It's a pretty nice idea, but it just doesn't work that well in the end. An endless stream of empty comments about a game doesn't add much. And it's not something you can really get into. Scrolling past a few posts here and now is nice, but then you're done.

 

[Cosmozone]

You mean the way that they have for over a year now, as you yourself are aware of and even made a thread about? Or when they made a 30 minute Nintnedo Direct that focused on it in 2012? Or when they held a press event to show off Miiverse, created short videos etc. They have marketed Miiverse. Nobody cares though.

On TV, of course. The mainstream doesn't follow Nintendo Directs and gaming related news.

 

[ironcreed]

You mean the way that they have for over a year now, as you yourself are aware of and even made a thread about? Or when they made a 30 minute Nintnedo Direct that focused on it in 2012? Or when they held a press event to show off Miiverse, created short videos etc. They have marketed Miiverse. Nobody cares though.

I certainly never paid any attention at the time, and that is my fault. But I still feel that the marketing and messaging in general has been abysmal and that they could be doing a better job of getting the details out there. Especially in regards to their Nintendo Directs. Hell, that is just preaching to the choir.

 

[outunderthestars]

On TV, of course. The mainstream doesn't follow Nintendo Directs and gaming related news.

Again, the ads that you yourself are aware of have run for well over a year. It simply isn't a feature that is important enough to increase demand.

 

[rouken]

it's all about the resolutions and fps nowadays

 

[Cosmozone]

Again, the ads that you yourself are aware of have run for well over a year. It simply isn't a feature that is important enough to increase demand.

Eh, if you say so. If I didn't know about it anyway, I'd had no idea it even exists. Let's leave it at that.

 

[I Wanna Be The Guy]

https://twitter.com/BadMiiversePost for the source of all of these and more.

Thank you so much for this. Reading through that just made my day.

 

[mrpeabody]

Looks pretty useful if you don't have access to the internet.

 

[Coolwhip]

Haha what.

 

[Moosehole]

Miiverse is a fun little distraction that I get a few chuckles out of from time to time (my favorite community so far has been NES Remix), but it absolutely does not define the system, and it isn't interesting or useful enough to be a selling point.