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Milton Glaser (Designer of "INY") creates a logo for climate change.

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"obviously?"
How is that obvious?

It's a circle.
Without being told what it's supposed to symbolize/what its purpose is ahead of time, that could symbolize countless things.

Plus, you know, unlike that circle, the earth isn't a perfect circle.
So, pretty much fail all around.

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That doesn’t even look like a shoe. How am I supposed to know it’s a shoe company if the logo isn’t exactly an icon of a shoe? Oh this is supposed to be wings? Well wings aren’t so smooth, and they have feathers. So this is pretty much a fail all around.




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Ummm, did some kindergarteners playing with shape blocks design this logo? It doesn’t even look like a dollar bill, also it’s just flat color, no advanced 3d rendering or anything. Anyone could make this in five seconds in Illustrator.


Pretty much baby boomers in a nutshell.

Born at the right time, got rich doing work that would have gotten them eaten alive if forced to compete with today's work force.

This is literally a child's first fifteen minutes with Photoshop.



This is just some letters with stripes through it. Whoever made this couldn’t hold a candle to today’s modern Cinema 4D masters of design. A child could literally make this in fifteen minutes in photoshop.



etc etc etc… ITT, a bunch of armchair designers that don’t know fuck all about design talking shit and looking super stupid.
 
Sorry man, that's really not an improvement in any respect.

Yeah it's still incredibly crappy, but at least with a leaf I can get that it has something more explicitly to do with the environment, and recognise what the object is.

Alternatively:

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etc etc etc

Because all of those are accompanied by significant amount of words, voices, other images, products, etc.
Not to mention products and services people purchased/used on a regular basis.

Yes, eventually they were able to stand on their own as the public became accustomed to them.
But it's not like Chase just tossed out a random shape, put it on some buttons, and expected people to figure out what it was, what it meant, and why it was significant.


Ladies and gentlemen, the shitty art defense force has arrived and he's brought straw men for everyone!

Didn't you know?
If we don't have a degree in graphic arts, we're not allowed to say that something isn't effective at communicating a message.
 
I<3NY is a true legend. People buy all sorts of dumb shit with it on. Every city on the planet has copied it.

This... no one will ever wear this. Everyone knows it.
 
This logo sucks but what do people expect generally? Applying the modern art "lol anyone could do that" argument to logos makes no sense. You can be reductive about pretty much every logo in world: it's just an Apple, it's just a tick. What do you want? A Rembrandt? Logos serve a purpose, and I don't think being intricate or overly technical really serves that purpose.
 
This logo sucks but what do people expect generally? Applying the modern art "lol anyone could do that" argument to logos makes no sense. You can be reductive about pretty much every logo in world: it's just an Apple, it's just a tick. What do you want? A Rembrandt? Logos serve a purpose, and I don't think being intricate or overly technical really serves that purpose.

We're not primarily saying "Anyone could do that."
We're primarily saying "It's bad."
 
Because all of those are accompanied by significant amount of words, voices, other images, products, etc.
Not to mention products and services people purchased/used on a regular basis.

And this logo is also accompanied by a press release, and a website, and a whole lot of other branding and marketing. He didn't just design this logo, put it out in the world in absolutely zero context and just expect people to understand.

Yes, eventually they were able to stand on their own as the public became accustomed to them.
But it's not like Chase just tossed out a random shape, put it on some buttons, and expected people to figure out what it was, what it meant, and why it was significant.

No, that's pretty much exactly what they did. In 1961 when they switched over to this logo, almost no one else was using abstract symbols. That's actually one of the things that helped them stand out and be noticed. Of course, they also paired it with words, and other marketing material too, just like this new global warming symbol.

How do you think logos start? There's some way to gradually ease the public in to them? You put it out and tell people what it means, then through use it gets more and more accepted and recognizable.

The point of a logo isn't to tell you exactly every single thing a company (or movement) does. It's to brand the company in a way that's ownable and recognizable.



Didn't you know?
If we don't have a degree in graphic arts, we're not allowed to say that something isn't effective at communicating a message.

I'm not saying you're not allowed. I'm saying that the posts you made make you look stupid for naively commenting on topics that you clearly don't understand at all (for example, the purpose of a logo is certainly not to communicate a message.. perhaps you're thinking of an icon?). Feel free to keep going though.


Ladies and gentlemen, the shitty art defense force has arrived and he's brought straw men for everyone!

In reframing their exact arguments towards different targets I&#8217;m pointing out the flaws in their logic. The first person wanted the logo to be more representational, but clearly being representational is not what makes a good logo. The second thought it didn&#8217;t show enough technical rendering skill, but clearly that&#8217;s not a requirement of a successful logo either. If you think that&#8217;s a completely hollow strawman, that's fine.
 
Yeah it's still incredibly crappy, but at least with a leaf I can get that it has something more explicitly to do with the environment, and recognise what the object is.

Alternatively:

Cm4rg1N.png
This is a thousand times better (still not a great logo, but oh well) as a virtue of actually having a distinguishing characteristic.

Most of the argument seems to be the latter followed by the former though.
They're both true. Can you operate the gradient tool in photoshop or gimp? If so, you can create this logo.

The only issue most of us would have is the audaciousness to claim it was interesting or somehow revolutionary. This is the kind of logo you'd expect to see on the Onion with the headline "fuck it, you want a logo for climate change? Here's your logo, assholes"
 
He certainly deserves his pedigree when considering his other work, but man, that thing is terrible. Is he a climate change denier in secret or something?
 
I feel like ability to communicate a message and ability to be aesthetically pleasing don't necessarily go hand in hand. I don't find the work attractive, but that doesn't mean I don't respect the message in the simplicity.
 
All the other logos I was posting were for corporations, so to keep stuff more comparable, I wanted to ask you guys your opinion on the following logos/symbols for other social/political movements, specifically the following factors:

&#8211; Are these logos recognizable? Do you know what each one is for?

&#8211; Completely removed from any other context, what do you think these logo forms specifically tell you about the movement they're representing?

 
In reframing their exact arguments towards different targets I’m pointing out the flaws in their logic. The first person wanted the logo to be more representational, but clearly being representational is not what makes a good logo. The second thought it didn’t show enough technical rendering skill, but clearly that’s not a requirement of a successful logo either. If you think that’s a completely hollow strawman, that's fine.
Given that you're rejecting those statements in relation to the logo in the OP, would that mean that you'd classify that logo as memorable or well-designed? I'm curious about your professional opinion on the matter.
 
i actually really like it. it's simple, but i get the feeling of a faint glimmer of nature clinging to a dying planet.
 
This thread is another confirmation that "nerds" dont understand aesthetics and the transmission of effective symbolic messages through non verbal, non mathematical means.

The logo is just ok, though. :p
 
Yeah it's still incredibly crappy, but at least with a leaf I can get that it has something more explicitly to do with the environment, and recognise what the object is.

Alternatively:

Cm4rg1N.png

Awful.

GraphicDesignCritiqueGAF is the worst GAF.

The goal is not to communicate a message. The goal is to symbolize a message.

Also the amount of time a logo takes to draw has absolutely no bearing on how effective it is. The complexity of the tools he used has no bearing on the effectiveness of the logo. In fact, as a general rule of thumb, the less time it takes to draw a logo, the higher chance it has of being an effective one.
 
All the other logos I was posting were for corporations, so to keep stuff more comparable, I wanted to ask you guys your opinion on the following logos/symbols for other social/political movements, specifically the following factors:

– Are these logos recognizable? Do you know what each one is for?

– Completely removed from any other context, what do you think these logo forms specifically tell you about the movement they're representing?

They represent:
1) A variety of things, happiness, unity
2)Something, something America
3)Not sure (I'm not a fan of this)
4)America, and elephant

And for the corporate logos:
Nike: Looks like a checkmark (Just do it)
Chase: Usually paired with the words, hence the association
IBM: Says IBM

Now let's say you put the "Earth" logo on a button, people would have no clue what it means. All the other logos seem to say something. (Except chase, but that's usually paired with the words).
 
This thread is another confirmation that "nerds" dont understand aesthetics and the transmission of effective messages throught non verbal, non mathematical means.

The logo is just ok, though. :p

is that really necessary?
that's nice too, but it doesn't have the same feeling of the blackness taking over.

Also probably less recognizable at a distance when compared to the simplicity of the one in the OP... imo.
 
Yeah it's still incredibly crappy, but at least with a leaf I can get that it has something more explicitly to do with the environment, and recognise what the object is.

Alternatively:

Cm4rg1N.png

that's nice too, but it doesn't have the same feeling of the blackness taking over. the land itself is pristine and white, detached from the planet.
 
Steam's new (beta) icon (I obtained this ugly version from the confirm delete window that appeared when I tried to delete the shortcut from my desktop--you can see a smaller but cleaner version here):

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Clearly Steam is dying.
 
that's nice too, but it doesn't have the same feeling of the blackness taking over. the land itself is pristine and white, detached from the planet.

That's true, and a good point. I just felt it needs something...more visually distinct to clarify what the object is supposed to be at first glance, if it were to effectively be used as a communication symbol without a message beside it (since it's not obvious by any means that it's meant to represent the Earth).

I can actually see MrGerbil's point though too (even though he's being incredibly rude about it - seriously, is calling people "super stupid" necessary?). If the logo were to always be paired with accompanying messages and marketing, then it's fine as a branding symbol, and the simplicity means that it's more likely to become recognisable. In fact, the more easily a logo can be reproduced by a child when asked to draw it from memory, the higher the likelihood that it will actually be remembered in the public consciousness.

Edit:

Also the amount of time a logo takes to draw has absolutely no bearing on how effective it is. The complexity of the tools he used has no bearing on the effectiveness of the logo. In fact, as a general rule of thumb, the less time it takes to draw a logo, the higher chance it has of being an effective one.

Yep, I'm aware.
 
is that really necessary?.

Eh, maybe not the "nerds" part (I apologize for the dumb generalization) but still I find it extremely frustrating to see people denying and mocking the talent of designers and modern artists just because they don't get it. It comes as extremely ignorant and irritating.
 
This is a thousand times better (still not a great logo, but oh well) as a virtue of actually having a distinguishing characteristic.


They're both true. Can you operate the gradient tool in photoshop or gimp? If so, you can create this logo.

The only issue most of us would have is the audaciousness to claim it was interesting or somehow revolutionary. This is the kind of logo you'd expect to see on the Onion with the headline "fuck it, you want a logo for climate change? Here's your logo, assholes"

But I'm saying that you could make the same argument about quite literally every logo. Technical complexity has no correlation with success when it comes to logos. And I don't see anyone calling this revolutionary.
 
Given that you're rejecting those statements in relation to the logo in the OP, would that mean that you'd classify that logo as memorable or well-designed? I'm curious about your professional opinion on the matter.

The biggest problem I have with the logo is that I'm not sure global warming is the type of movement that would benefit from a recognizable symbol.

Social movements like gay pride are largely advanced by people coming out as either gay themselves, or as a friend to the gay community. It's been taught by many leaders of the gay rights movement, from Harvey Milk and on, that often the best way to get people to change their minds about homosexuality is to let them know that they already know many gay friends and family members who are wonderful people.

Because of this, the simple act of putting a rainbow flag in front of your house, business, or church, is a a powerful message that goes a long way in advancing the cause.


The global warming crisis isn't the same. I don't think wearing a global warming button, no matter what the design, would do much to help the cause. It's more about education than simple awareness.

However, if this symbol is picked up, I could definitely see it becoming as easily recognizable as a pink triangle, or as marketing a product as "green."

It could potentially be featured at the bottom of the screen in an electric car commercial or something, once its meaning is established...

However, I feel like the symbol is too pessimistic for a use case like that. It's showing the earth dying, so I think it'd actually be more effective as a guerrilla marketing tactic used against things that are contributing to global warming. Like slapping these stickers on a gas pump, or on the billboard for an airline company. Again, once it was established, it'd be a quick read to understand it was meant as an indictment against the company for its environmental practices.

The biggest problem this logo has going against it though is that social movement imagery usually forms much more organically. Corporations can just come out and brand themselves. But social movements usually form meaning naturally from within, so who knows if this will actually take off.
 
In reframing their exact arguments towards different targets I’m pointing out the flaws in their logic. The first person wanted the logo to be more representational, but clearly being representational is not what makes a good logo. The second thought it didn’t show enough technical rendering skill, but clearly that’s not a requirement of a successful logo either. If you think that’s a completely hollow strawman, that's fine.
I'm curious, are you guys defending art design in general, or are you defending this specific piece? Does anyone actually like this specific logo?

Personally, I just think the color gradient itself is ugly to look at, and my eyes are begging for something other than that to latch onto, but are unable to find release in any other focal point thanks to it being a perfectly round circle.
And this logo is also accompanied by a press release, and a website, and a whole lot of other branding and marketing. He didn't just design this logo, put it out in the world in absolutely zero context and just expect people to understand.
I think the point is that you can make almost any logo iconic if the idea behind it is well liked. I'm sure if this circle somehow became the face of fighting against global warming I'd start being happy whenever I see it as well. That doesn't make the logo good by itself though. It's a mistake to act like the most iconic logos are iconic because they are the absolutely best designed, when the products and marketing behind them are what took them most of the way there.
 
"It's not warming, it's dying" is bull. The planet will inevitably recover over time, like it has before. We're fucked.

Goerge Carlin did a skit about this.
 
That doesn't make the logo good by itself though. It's a mistake to act like the most iconic logos are iconic because they are the absolutely best designed, when the products and marketing behind them are what took them most of the way there.

Imagine if they had the exact same products and marketing, do you think Nike would have done as well if this was still their logo?
The original company name was blue ribbon sports.. the Nike wing inspired swoosh actually predates the company name Nike.

I'd argue that the logo being well designed was a big part of both the marketing and the products. The shoes themselves look cooler with a swoosh than a bad logo, much less how memorable it is on all their other marketing material.
 
The more references to Yes's 'closer to the edge' the better.

Guess we'll have to wait 30 years to find out of the logo is going to carry any weight.
 
All the other logos I was posting were for corporations, so to keep stuff more comparable, I wanted to ask you guys your opinion on the following logos/symbols for other social/political movements, specifically the following factors:

– Are these logos recognizable? Do you know what each one is for?

– Completely removed from any other context, what do you think these logo forms specifically tell you about the movement they're representing?

But they are never free from that context. This is, it has no context at all at the moment.
 
Awful.

GraphicDesignCritiqueGAF is the worst GAF.

The goal is not to communicate a message. The goal is to symbolize a message.

Also the amount of time a logo takes to draw has absolutely no bearing on how effective it is. The complexity of the tools he used has no bearing on the effectiveness of the logo. In fact, as a general rule of thumb, the less time it takes to draw a logo, the higher chance it has of being an effective one.


Thank you for this.

I feel like many of these people would say their favorite logos are ones that are cutesy or "clever" symbols of the product a company sells, but I'm sure many of those same people have stickers of a bitten Apple or a cartoon Android character on the back of their car.
 
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