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Mind blowing new TED Talk: "How algorithms shape our world" (must watch)

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Math is the one science I was terrible at in school. I was much better at biology, chemistry and even physics (theory and the stuff that didn't involve complex math).

And I agree with dr3upmushroom on the length of TED talks, which is officially 18 minutes and many go for a few minutes longer.
 
dr3upmushroom said:
I haven't watched too many TED talks, but the 15 minute format seems perfect to me in this case. There's a ton of literature and other documentary type things on the topic. It's a concise and easy to follow introduction. If you want to learn more you wouldn't have any trouble at all doing so, and if you don't, at least you have a base of knowledge on the topic that you only had to invest 15 minutes to obtain.
This is completely true, and thats the value of TED talks. You can pick and choose from all these super interesting subjects and then do further research what grabbed you the most.

..Its just when you have a super compelling speaker talking about something super interesting you just want them to go on and on and on. Its just such a tease when you get really engaged by something and then it just ends.
 
hateradio said:
Again, I always wonder what will happen to our cities a few centuries from now. (I seem to think about the future often.) I can just imagine that cities will fester, and that buildings and roads will decay; but these buildings will probably remain or be imploded to build new server locations. However, it seems that as people move and technology advances, cities will become ghost towns. The remains of server warehouses will be the only things left.

People are moving into cities, not away from cities.
 
so when he said 9% of the stock market disappeared, what the heck happened? actual company shares were just...lost? shares got devalued for unknown reasons?
 
Hey, I'm not a mod, and this is probably a fuckawful idea, but I'd be cool with a new thread for every super-interesting TED talk. They need exposure.
 
dr3upmushroom said:
I haven't heard about the stolen algorithm, it was supposed to be a very successful one I'm guessing? I don't really see the point of stealing an algorithm, it seems like if two firms were running the same algorithm they'd be constantly trying to do the same thing at the same time.

Well, the funny thing about the event was that Goldman testified that it was super important to recover the algorithm because it could be used to manipulate markets if used by someone who knew what they are doing.

In an unrelated point Goldman were not exactly losing a lot of money when it was taken so I'm guessing they sort of knew what they were doing themselves if you catch my drift. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
 
Jtwo said:
..Its just when you have a super compelling speaker talking about something super interesting you just want them to go on and on and on. Its just such a tease when you get really engaged by something and then it just ends.

That's when your search for their name on Youtube and find other videos of them talking :)

Also follow them on Twitter, Facebook, their personal website/blog.
 
I'm not going to get out of this without looking like a lazy fuck, am I?
 
Pixel Pete said:
Hey, I'm not a mod, and this is probably a fuckawful idea, but I'd be cool with a new thread for every super-interesting TED talk. They need exposure.

I think TED talks are pretty popular in general. They're probably among the most watched science-related videos on the net, but of course even more people watching those is always a good thing, and they're painfully underrepresented on GAF unfortunately.
 
Made it about halfway and gave up. Didn't understand much of what he was saying. But the stock market is completely foreign to me, so I guess that's why.
 
More Fun To Compute said:
Well, the funny thing about the event was that Goldman testified that it was super important to recover the algorithm because it could be used to manipulate markets if used by someone who knew what they are doing.

In an unrelated point Goldman were not exactly losing a lot of money when it was taken so I'm guessing they sort of knew what they were doing themselves if you catch my drift. Nudge nudge, wink wink.
Oh, wow, I though you meant like a rival firm stole, if some random person got a hold of one of these, yeah, I would imagine that it wouldn't be very good, regardless of whether they knew what they were doing or not.

Some random hacker who stole it to use personally to pick stocks could be just as dangerous as a diabolical terrorist using it manipulate markets.

This shit really is pretty disconcerting. I wish more politicians would raise a stink about it. The really shitty thing is, like the guy in the Talk said, no one is really in control, so when something catastrophic happens, there's no one to easily blame, and no real lesson to learn other than "Better program better next time." Even if they did something like make it mandatory for an executive to click "OK" before trades over a certain threshold are made, I'd feel a lot better about the whole thing. As it is, the whole system is just a terrifying recipe for disaster: Only the people who write the algorithms have any idea of how to interpret them, what they mean, and most importantly how accurate they are, there's basically zero accountability if something goes wrong, and since these algorithmic trades are being made many, many times on a daily basis, something's bound to go wrong at some point.
 
SolKane said:
Made it about halfway and gave up. Didn't understand much of what he was saying. But the stock market is completely foreign to me, so I guess that's why.
If you start trying to learn about how the stock market works, you learn very, very quickly that nobody knows how it works. Even experienced traders often have trouble explaining what exactly various jargon terms mean, and as they said in the video, there are few people who understand these algorithms, and further there is no proof that these algorithms accurately predict prices.

So it's not that you don't know enough about the market, it's that all of this is literally incomprehensible nonsense.
 
Jtwo said:
This is the problem with TED talks... some of them need to be an hour long. Its a huge mindblowing concept that just can't be accurately conveyed in 15 minutes.

A lot of them come off like a drunk engineering student: "ohhhh maann, and you have no idea ok so its like there are other little realities in each little pocket of matter, you see.."

If you want long-form lectures there are a ton from the RSA.

http://www.youtube.com/user/theRSAorg

They also distill much of their long-form content into little RSAnimates, which don't exceed 10 minutes. Some favorites:

RSA Animate - Drive: The surprising truth about what motivates us
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6XAPnuFjJc

RSA Animate - The Empathic Civilisation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7AWnfFRc7g

Mock if TED fans already know about/regularly watch RSA videos.
 
Cool, thanks man. Have definitely not watched those before. I do watch a lot of iTunesU stuff, but it can be really dry.
 
I've seen a few RSA lectures (and the short-form animations too) before, and the channel has been on top of my Youtube homepage under "Recommended for you" for months every single day, but I never bothered to click on the channel itself or subscribe for some reason. Just did that, thanks.
 
Thanks OP. I've seen a lot of good TED talks but that was the most engaged I've been in a long time. Fascinating.
 
ghostofsparta said:
Smart people make smart things. News at 11.
Saying this makes it seem like you've just accepted the fact you'll never have a great idea.
But you will.
 
I feel like I only understood half of the video, but here's my interpretation as far as how it related to the stock market. I believe that it's not that people don't understand what the algorithms do - after all, someone had to design them. The potential problems come up from the fact that we don't necessarily know how it will react in various situations. For example, it may work perfectly well for certain kinds of companies, but if something different comes up out of left field, the algorithm may not apply as well to it, especially if there aren't any safety guards in place. Maybe all of a sudden, certain criteria crop up in some junk bond and the algorithm purchases tens of thousands of dollars of it when in reality, it's ridiculously risky and the company's position quickly slides and they become worthless.

Still, they're so useful just because decisions can be made so quickly. If you can be the first to discover some worthwhile stock, you can buy it cheaper than anyone else, as after you've bought it, demand has gone up and its stock price has risen. Micro-seconds could make huge differences here. I'm sure that given enough public knowledge of a company, a human could make a more informed decision, but that's in a matter of minutes at best.

The Fly book example was interesting. Looking into it, two vendors had algorithms based on each others selling prices without any safety guards. So one would always underprice the other by something like 0.5%, while the other, not having stock, would base their price on the others' price times 127%, figuring that given a sale, they can then afford to buy the book cheaper and then sell it. This gave rise to an infinite feedback loop.
 
OuterWorldVoice said:
Netflix decided that because I liked Blue Velvet, I would also enjoy Blue Crush.

Time to stock up on canned goods.

:lol This made me laugh much more then it should have.
 
Kevin Slavin eh... this guy had a talk on augmented reality which I thoroughly disagreed with.

That said, this was a much better talk than the other one - only if because it grants insight into things we normally don't have insight into.

Which I think is kinda a big theme with him - his AR talk was about deriving insight about the world not from visual AR, but from sensory/touch AR. But I disagreed with the talk, because he was also trying to make the case that visual AR was unnecessary.

Here's the link to that talk.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o03wWtWASW4
 
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