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[sans_pants]

Go put some pants on The argument you are using would apply to EVERY product. Everything about to come to market would suck since you only get a quick preview of it.

well then whats with all the people saying o shit its awesome

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

Too many frames of animation to be a Cartoon Cartoon.

 

[winter]

Adult Swim Sunday programs IMO :

Classic: ATHF, Family Guy, Futurama, Space Ghost, Venture Bros.

Great: Homemovies, American Dad

Meh: Sealab, 12 oz Mouse, Squidbillies, Robot Chicken,

The suck: Stroker and Hoop, The Brak Show

Unbridled hatred: Tom Goes to the Mayor, Super Milk Chan

The Boondocks will probably fall into the first category for me. I'm sure most conservatives and rednecks will file it into the last category tho.

 

[tedhbrown]

You bitch about things being too random, yet you seem to worship Harvey Birdman which is inarguably more random that most Williams Street shows.

Please, Harvey Birdman is not more random than Tom Goes to the Mayor, Sealab, Squidbillies, or 12 Oz Mouse. And even beyond that, it has the best premise which is a washed up superhero being the lawyer for classic cartoon characters. And, beyond ALL that, it actually manages to be funny, something that none of the shows I mentioned are able to do.

 

[Shogun]

From the Key Talent Behind Crank Yankers

There was talent behind Crank Yankers?

I peed in your Minoriteam!

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

The Boondocks will probably fall into the first category for me. I'm sure most conservatives and rednecks will file it into the last category tho.

And it is for that reason why it will probably fall into the first category for me.

 

[tedhbrown]

The Boondocks will probably fall into the first category for me. I'm sure most conservatives and rednecks will file it into the last category tho.

Ugh. I wish you socialists would stop assuming that all conservatives are rednecks from the south who won't watch anything that might make fun of their political views. If I based my viewing around that belief, I wouldn't watch comedy on television, because there is not one good comedy on tv that isn't written by liberals. (I'm not a big fan of south park) As long as it's actually funny, I can laugh at myself. I'd like to see how much you guys would whine if things were the exact opposite, and most of these funny shows today had a conservative bias.

I've heard that the boondocks is much more character based than the comic, so it looks like the show could really succeed and appeal to EVERYONE, and not just liberals. I actually do find the boondocks comic strip funny, when it doesn't spend 2 weeks telling us how much George Bush sucks.

 

[Mac the KNife]

Adult Swim Sunday programs IMO :

Classic:HARVEY BIRDMAN

SUPER-FIX'D

 

[levious]

Ugh. I wish you socialists would stop assuming that all conservatives are rednecks from the south who won't watch anything that might make fun of their political views.

You just blanketly said "you socialists" and yet you're complaining about unfair assumptions? Also, how does using the phrase "most conservatives and rednecks" indicate to you that he believes "all conservatives are rednecks from the south?"

 

[tedhbrown]

You just blanketly said "you socialists" and yet you're complaining about unfair assumptions? Also, how does using the phrase "most conservatives and rednecks" indicate to you that he believes "all conservatives are rednecks from the south?"

Oh.. sorry. I thought it was assumed that most people on this forum were socialists?

Preparing for your snappy comeback: Oh sorry. I thought most conservatives from the south were rednecks.

 

[White Man]

Oh.. sorry. I thought it was assumed that most people on this forum were socialists?

Only the intelligent ones.

 

[Cerebral Palsy]

I would rather have a centralized government owned industry, rather than a industry owned goverment thanks to Republicans.

 

[levious]

Oh.. sorry. I thought it was assumed that most people on this forum were socialists?

Preparing for your snappy comeback: Oh sorry. I thought most conservatives from the south were rednecks.

this community is a lot more moderate than either end of the spectrum would care to admit.

 

[fennec fox]

Bla de bla. STFU all of you political wanx.

Boondocks the comic is about as funny as Mallard Fillmore so the cartoon better be character-oriented.

 

[GDJustin]

what exactly have they shown me to make me think it wont suck?

It's been a newspaper comic for years and years, and is fucking hilarious?

 

[Ponn]

We've just floated off-topic because there is so little actually known about Minoriteam.

Well, I kind of meant misleading as Minoriteam is part of Adult Swim, not Cartoon network. Though I understand that's a bit of a gray area where to draw that line.

Sonicmegadrive wrote:

I can't stand their influx of modern 'Cartoon Cartoon' kiddy crap. Loved Johnny Bravo, Dexter, and Powerpuff Girls. I could even stomach Cow and Chicken and Courage the Cowardly Dog to an extent. But their current crop is almost Nickelodeon abysmal.

I actually agree with this, I used to watch Powerpuff girls, Dexter and Johnny Bravo too but their new stuff does indeed have that Nick feel to them. I wish they would bring Toonami back to weekday afternoons and bring back more the above and stuff like Samurai Jack. It would be great if they could start showing all the older cartoons like they used to as well, like GI joe, Thundercats, Transformers and throw in runs of obscure old stuff like The Real Ghostusters, Silverhawks and Voltron. Hell, I can't see why they aren't showing old Batman the Animated series or Superman toons. Instead of letting Boomerang just drop like a rock give it alot of stuff they are currently showing and just turn that channel into the "Nick Jr." clone.

 

[Phoenix]

I actually agree with this, I used to watch Powerpuff girls, Dexter and Johnny Bravo too but their new stuff does indeed have that Nick feel to them. I wish they would bring Toonami back to weekday afternoons and bring back more the above and stuff like Samurai Jack. It would be great if they could start showing all the older cartoons like they used to as well, like GI joe, Thundercats, Transformers and throw in runs of obscure old stuff like The Real Ghostusters, Silverhawks and Voltron. Hell, I can't see why they aren't showing old Batman the Animated series or Superman toons. Instead of letting Boomerang just drop like a rock give it alot of stuff they are currently showing and just turn that channel into the "Nick Jr." clone.

I hereby nominate you for weekday producer Report to Williams Street and I'll find someone to let you in the door.

 

[Flynn]

They haven't shown much, just enough to know that the animation quality will be nice. So if you like the comic strip then you'd definitely be hyped for it.

I guess the big revelation for fans of the Boondocks comic strip will be that the characters actually have legs.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Boondocks blows. Here's a summary:

1) Something happened in black pop culture or something in politics that affected black people.

2) The main character's little brother or all the other people he comes across have a shallow view of what happened or care only about superficial issues (aka black celebrity gossip)

3) The main character stares out at us (Huey I think is his name).

The end.

Then again it can't be any worse than the current piles that Adult Swim has been pinching out for the past year or so.

 

[Flynn]

For the sake of argument, here are the three current strips from Boondocks, Calvin and Hobbes and Peanuts. I'll let others tackle the issue of subject matter.

My big gripe with modern comics (Dilbert, Penny Arcade, etc.) is that they're pretty much scripts with simple illustrations. Cartooning is secondary to the verbal gags. This strip illustrates that criticism pretty well. Also note: No legs.

Watterson was a master in gag drawing, physical humor and facial expressions. This strip is sans background, which is par for the course with contemporary strips. Thing is Watterson could rock a background when he wanted to and quite often did.

Late period Peanuts. Sparky has dropped quite a bit off from his hey-day. But notice the effortless characterization in Peppermint Patty in the first several panels. The guy could telegraph emotion with a single squiggly line. You just don't see that kind of expression in Boondocks. And this is from an arguably weak example of Peanuts.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

You apparently don't know what the boondocks gets at. Or you're too ignorant to care.

Oh I get it. I just don't think its funny.

 

[Phoenix]

Boondocks blows. Here's a summary:

1) Something happened in black pop culture or something in politics that affected black people.

2) The main character's little brother or all the other people he comes across have a shallow view of what happened or care only about superficial issues (aka black celebrity gossip)

3) The main character stares out at us (Huey I think is his name).

The end.

Then again it can't be any worse than the current piles that Adult Swim has been pinching out for the past year or so.

You are so off its not even funny. While there are definitely references to things that impact black culture, its really social commentary through the lense of this family. Its not too far from where South Park and the Simpsons were at one point (though South Park still dips back and forth). To suggest that Boondocks would suck because the characters are black is to simply be ignorant of what's in the strip.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

To suggest that Boondocks would suck because the characters are black is to simply be ignorant of what's in the strip.

:lol Jesus Christ...talk about being far off..:lol

 

[Phoenix]

:lol Jesus Christ...talk about being far off..:lol

1) Something happened in black pop culture or something in politics that affected black people.

Its point of content #1 that you raised. You might want to go back and reread what you posted.

 

[fennec fox]

:lol at the observation that Boondocks characters don't have legs. That might be part of the reason why a lot of people think comics suck these days -- they are all kind of like sitcom scripts, and very few cartoonists have the breadth of drawing ability the old masters did. McGruder may or may not have something to say, but he photocopies panels and uses a tiny, hard-to-read font on his word balloons. It's like Doonesbury in the 70s, it's not visually interesting.

I wish all the best for the Boondocks cartoon, but if the humor ends up being like the comic strip's "humor" then I am not watching. I mean, come on, one recent comic was about how Harriet Miers looks kind of like the Emperor from Star Wars. Yeah, that's great. That's, like, Carlos Mencia-level humor.

By the way, Foster's home for imaginary friends is really good.

 

[fennec fox]

For the recrod, I LOVE Aaron's art, and the person who has done the art for the past year isn't Aaron.

What, like Garfield! That's even lamer!

Well, I don't mind the art, but like 70s doonesbury (or Penny Arcade), it's the same thing every panel. Spice it up!

 

[SonicMegaDrive]

What, like Garfield! That's even lamer!

Well, I don't mind the art, but like 70s doonesbury (or Penny Arcade), it's the same thing every panel. Spice it up!

I'm pretty sure Bill Patterson and Charles Shulz are the exception and not the rule.

 

[Flynn]

:lol at the observation that Boondocks characters don't have legs. That might be part of the reason why a lot of people think comics suck these days -- they are all kind of like sitcom scripts, and very few cartoonists have the breadth of drawing ability the old masters did. McGruder may or may not have something to say, but he photocopies panels and uses a tiny, hard-to-read font on his word balloons. It's like Doonesbury in the 70s, it's not visually interesting.

I wish all the best for the Boondocks cartoon, but if the humor ends up being like the comic strip's "humor" then I am not watching. I mean, come on, one recent comic was about how Harriet Miers looks kind of like the Emperor from Star Wars. Yeah, that's great. That's, like, Carlos Mencia-level humor.

By the way, Foster's home for imaginary friends is really good.

I love the comparison to Menica. It's very apt, actually. Boondocks makes me think of American Beauty, which was a revelation to people who don't think very much about suburban life, but a rehash of no-brainers to pretty much everybody else.

I think that Boondocks will probably be better as a TV show. The scripts will be better served in motion and a crew of animation artists will be able to better realize the visial world than McGruder's ghost artist can.

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Its point of content #1 that you raised. You might want to go back and reread what you posted.

If you think #1 is the issue, then you misread. Its a setup to #2 and #3.

Stop trying to start shit, especially playing the race card.

 

[jman2050]

Adult Swim is the only consistently good part about CN. Outside of it, Billy and Mandy + Foster's Home stand out as gems among a flood of mediocrity (at best).

Minoriteam sounds stupid, and I won't watch it. Oh and Boondocks is going to be awesome.

Hopefully, CN will get it's act together. Just a few years Nick sucked so hard it wasn't even funny. They still suck now, but at least they get a decent amount of watching time from me because of Avatar, Fairly Oddparents, Spongebob, and Danny Phantom. If Nick can clowly keep adding good shows to their queues while getting rid of the stupid crap, it may have a chance. Same with CN.

Though that might be too much to ask.

 

[Phoenix]

If you think #1 is the issue, then you misread. Its a setup to #2 and #3.

Stop trying to start shit, especially playing the race card.

Sorry, I thought it was a summary that meaning that it was a statement of things of equal importance

 

[WrathOfOtaibah]

Sorry, I thought it was a summary that meaning that it was a statement of things of equal importance

Oh. Well, maybe I should have clarified.

Moving on, Adult Swim is crappy. I think CN's mindset is that the only reason why AS is a success is because their shows are low budget. So they make a bunch of low budget shows that try to capture the pseudo-schizophrenic writing that was in shows like Brak or ATHF. Only difference is the writing is poor (even if the show is created by the people behind ATHF like 12 oz Turd).

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

It's been a newspaper comic for years and years, and is fucking hilarious?

There's a pretty huge difference between a daily comic which involves very few people and features what would be a fraction of a minute of dialog, versus a 30 minute show costing hundreds of thousands of dollars and with who-knows-how-many writers/directors/producers/animators/actors playing a part each episode.

 

[Phoenix]

OMG, this sucks more than I feared.

 

[BlueTsunami]

OMG, this sucks more than I feared.

It does, very much so.

 

[Phoenix]

This is by far the worst show they have ever done.... EVER.

 

[Matlock]

One night, Cartoon Network pondered what it would be like to make a show with less animation than Tom Goes to the Mayor.

11/06/05. It was realized.

 

[Useff]

Minoriteam was hilarious, much funnier than Boondocks.

 

[Tortfeasor]

It was terrible, but not as bad as PHF or 12oz mouse... Not like that is really much of a compliment.

 

[Snaku]

One night, Cartoon Network pondered what it would be like to make a show with less animation than Tom Goes to the Mayor.

11/06/05. It was realized.

:lol

 

[raYne]

One night, Cartoon Network pondered what it would be like to make a show with less animation than Tom Goes to the Mayor.

11/06/05. It was realized.

:lol

Anyway, as I said in the Boondocks thread... it sucked.

Minoriteam was hilarious, much funnier than Boondocks.

That statement is funnier than the whole Minoriteam episode.

 

[MetatronM]

It was terrible, but not as bad as PHF or 12oz mouse... Not like that is really much of a compliment.

I agree with this statement.

And I really don't see how they could go anywhere with it as it series. After 15 minutes it was already pretty played out.

 

[Drensch]

This show has got to be cheap as fuck. I could literally do an ep in an hr or two.

 

[BlackSalad]

horrible, horrible show, with even worse animation.

12 oz mouse is also horrible, is it me or did they show the same episode at least twice in a row tonight?

 

[MetatronM]

horrible, horrible show, with even worse animation.

12 oz mouse is also horrible, is it me or did they show the same episode at least twice in a row tonight?

They played an episode and they played an "alternate version" of the same episode. I didn't bother watching, but my sister tells me they pretty much cut out the second half of the episode and replaced it with nothing but a mouse performing a drum solo.

I'm starting to think the mindset over there is "we can put on absolutely anything and at least half a million people will watch it."

 

[StoOgE]

Also, if Adult Swim would drop all of their random crap going on that doesnt make sense and put more stuff like Boondocks, Venture Bros, Home Movies and other *plot driven* shows on they would probably get much better ratings.

Dont get me wrong, I *love* ATHF, Sealab, Harvey Birdman and some of the other stuff they have done, but those have this sort of dorky vibe about them that isnt going to fly with the people that tune in to watch Family Guy, Futurama and American Dad during the first hour of adult swim. I think Harvey Birdman could actually be given half and hour and a better budget it would be a better show and could be as good as the aforementioned.

Especially now that their random shit comedies have gone completely over the top to the point that most of us cant stand them anymore... and we post on a fucking message board about video games. If we think their stuff has gone overboard, just think about what the normal viewer might think. I have friends that Ive tried to show Harvey Birdman to and they think it is stupid.. imagine what they would think of ATHF or Sealab? Let alone TGGTM, Squidbillies, and 12 oz.

Im not saying Adult Swim should get rid of its 15 minute shorts, or even the randomness of shows like ATHF.. but I will say that it is no coincidence that their most expensive shows are *by far* their best.

 

[Lhadatt]

I laughed at Minoriteam, but I honestly felt embarrassed while watching it becuase it was so bad.

I missed Boondocks, so I'll give it a shot before ruling it to be the "omg look at the black people making jokes racism wow williams street is teh topical and culturally relevant haha" show everyone else's impressions are suggesting.

Aside from that, though, I don't see any reason to watch Adult Swim after last night.

 

[Mr Mike]

I've gotta say, I thought it was really funny when the villain looked through the smashed wall and said "Uh oh" in a normal voice before saying "Oh, wait," and repeating it in a DEEP REVERBERATING VOICE OF EVIL

 

[hobbitx]

The show started out really funny, that grape reactor bit had me rolling. It got weak really fast though, by the end of the show it was just the same slow, dry, random bullshit all over again. If they are going to give it a racial theme then they need to do that, I was expecting something like the racial humor in Drawn Together full time, but all I got was rambling in bad accents. I hope next week is better.

 

[UltraMarioMan]

I wish regular CN hadn't canceled Megas XLR. That was funny. Guess the references to old video game's and anime went over most peoples heads.