BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Yup, same here.dasupremeone said:
edit: When I played the demo on my PS3 all I could think of was how much better it'd play with a mouse.
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Mirror's Edge tanking at retail?
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edit: When I played the demo on my PS3 all I could think of was how much better it'd play with a mouse.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Wow dude, don't be such a douche.Pimpbaa said:
mightynine
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Pimpbaa said:
Not really. You still paid $60 for that Orange Box. If all you play is Portal, aren't you out $40 for two games you don't want or play?
Otrebor Nightmarecoat
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yoopoo said:
Quoted For motherfucking Truth
God i hate that pretty piece of shit
goldenpp72
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you could buy portal seperately for 30 bucks on steam I believe, and 15 now on xbla.
Maybe, but I was calling for an assemblage of actual numbers (which sadly I figure we don't have), not counterfactuals. Until someone can conclusively and definitively make that case, publishers are going to load up Q4...and it might be working for more of them than we anticipate.beermonkey@tehbias said:
speculawyer
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New game concept + good/decent reviews + tanking economy = Not so great sales
Which is kinda sad since it it is so rare for companies to try something these days. It will be even more rare now. Then again, I'm part of the problem since I didn't pick it up.
Which is kinda sad since it it is so rare for companies to try something these days. It will be even more rare now. Then again, I'm part of the problem since I didn't pick it up.
goldenpp72 said:
the point is that mirror's edge has a mechanical depth and design sophistication that justifies the time trials and speedruns. in fact i'd argue that the time trails are what justify its complexity. whereas banjo couldn't even hold my interest through the demo. mirror's edge is really an arcade game dressed up as a modern adventure game -- and arcade games are sadly undervalued these days
One disturbing trend is that gamers tend to substitute quality for quantity. Not talking specifically about ME here, but it seems most players would gravitate more towards the 30-40 hr game more than the 6-8 hr one, irrespective of actual gameplay quality.
Also, not every game is meant to be a one-playthrough thing, and I can understand how people with that mindset jumping in those games would end up disappointed. But seriously, do gamers only run through each race once in a racing game and never touch it again? Do online FPS gamers play through each map once only? The gameplay is completely different, but arguing that replayability plays no role is a bit suspect.
Also, not every game is meant to be a one-playthrough thing, and I can understand how people with that mindset jumping in those games would end up disappointed. But seriously, do gamers only run through each race once in a racing game and never touch it again? Do online FPS gamers play through each map once only? The gameplay is completely different, but arguing that replayability plays no role is a bit suspect.
teiresias said:
You have no idea what you are talking about right.
Are games 30-40hr the norm these days? generic jrpgs. Maybe their american equivalents. But stuff like Gears lasts 8 hrs or so. COD4 lasted even less. The more popular games still range 8-12hrs. Thus i find this notion that we need 20hrs of gameplay kind of silly.
The Nature Roy
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Are you talking about Mirror's Edge, a game where development was led on the PS3, is providing exclusive DLC to PS3, and the TV commercials are followed by a PS3 logo?teiresias said:
Akia said:
To be fair, "tanking" is too harsh for Dead Space. It underperformed in the most recent NPD, barely making the top ten on only one platform with 20 days of sales, but I wouldn't say it tanked.
If Simon's blog post is correct, though, Mirror's Edge might actually be headed towards tanking territory.
Muffdraul
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I wonder how many people are ignoring both Mirror's Edge and Dead Space simply because they're EA. I myself was guilty of that, I never paid a lick of attention to either game for months and months. It wasn't until that "mini-boss gone horribly wrong" Dead Space video that came out just a few weeks before release that I realized "Holy shit... this actually looks like it might be good. Really, really good." Sure enough it was good, and that was what lead me to give Mirror's Edge a chance. And I spent the last two weeks addicted to that brilliant game. But if not for me deciding to watch that video out of boredom, I wouldn't have a clue.
What makes it even more tragic is that EA expected it to sell 3 million units.
http://www.edge-online.com/news/mirrors-edge-projects-3m-sales
"I would look for world-wide sales of over 3 million, on three platforms," Frain tells Edge, adding, "as a conservative number. I think it has the potential to do a lot more than that."
http://www.edge-online.com/news/mirrors-edge-projects-3m-sales
"I would look for world-wide sales of over 3 million, on three platforms," Frain tells Edge, adding, "as a conservative number. I think it has the potential to do a lot more than that."
Muffdraul said:
You are greatly over-estimating the number of consumers who know or care about which developer name is on the box.
The only people who care about that shit are hardcore gamers, and we make up a very small % of total sales. The average consumer, if anything, considers the EA logo as a positive, because it is a name they are familiar with.
Did no one consider that the game just wasn't ready to be released in August?
When should they hold it until? Can't do January....can't do February....can't do March....
Maybe EA wasn't okay with just sitting on it until April? I'm fairly confident that EA bet correctly that it would sell more in November than April. Again, speculation, but since the thread seems to be all about it, why not?
Mirror's Edge is not generating much of a reaction because of something inherent to Mirror's Edge (excepting marketing, but the game has been marketed a bit).
Something like Infinite Undiscovery was released early September and it still bombed. Too Human in August. Meanwhile, Tomb Raider Legend was released in April of 2006 and went on to sell 2.2 million copies, MGS4 shipped 3 million in June, etc.
I believe the problem is that the game is a new IP more than that it was released in a crowded period, though of COURSE that contributes.
When should they hold it until? Can't do January....can't do February....can't do March....
Maybe EA wasn't okay with just sitting on it until April? I'm fairly confident that EA bet correctly that it would sell more in November than April. Again, speculation, but since the thread seems to be all about it, why not?
Mirror's Edge is not generating much of a reaction because of something inherent to Mirror's Edge (excepting marketing, but the game has been marketed a bit).
Something like Infinite Undiscovery was released early September and it still bombed. Too Human in August. Meanwhile, Tomb Raider Legend was released in April of 2006 and went on to sell 2.2 million copies, MGS4 shipped 3 million in June, etc.
I believe the problem is that the game is a new IP more than that it was released in a crowded period, though of COURSE that contributes.
kylej said:
So EA is going to kill off the last few years of development on whatever new IP they are going to release next year (if they are coming out in 09 you have to assume EA has already dumped plenty of money into em) this late?
I would buy the failure of new IP affecting 2010, but not 2009. Although, it may cause games to be pushed out without the necessary fine tuning, as publishers/developers don't want to throw good money after bad. Highly doubtful that 09 games will be canceled this late in development.
I really hope people aren't taking the numbers in that post as fact...I also hope EA were realistic in it's sales projections for it. It's a great game but there are simple things working against it from the get go.
Edit: 3 Million?! Surely they were just saying that for a good headline...
Edit: 3 Million?! Surely they were just saying that for a good headline...
GremlinInTheMachine
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teiresias said:
Shane's been a lot more persistent in pushing Little Big Planet, and he gets indignant when anyone begins to criticize the game. I think it was Garnett who had to reassure Shane last week or the week before that he liked the game after he began to gently criticize it because ice started to flow through Shane.
Sho_Nuff82
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How can people doubt the validity of the "release your games outside of the Holiday period to escape the crowd" business model?
Capcom has been doing it for years - RE2 (PSOne), RE4 (GCN), Dead Rising in August, Lost Planet, DMC4, and now SFIV and RE5 early next year. All of the released games have sold over 1.5 million copies, SFIV and RE5 will easily top that. Then look at RE Zero, released alongside the original Metroid Prime in November, that actually sold worse than the REmake released in April.
Ninja Gaiden 2 had a better opening month releasing in June than Little Big Planet or Dead Space.
Fucking Ninja Gaiden, a game that eats hardcore gamers for breakfast.
Army of 2 and RSV 2, released in March, sold >4x as much as Far Cry 2 or the approximation for Mirror's Edge.
I think a lot of people are missing out on why AC's advertising was so effective, because ME has been advertised quite frequently here in the states. Ubisoft was actually able to cut several commercials with nothing but real-time footage and review blurbs, because the game looks that good.
Capcom has been doing it for years - RE2 (PSOne), RE4 (GCN), Dead Rising in August, Lost Planet, DMC4, and now SFIV and RE5 early next year. All of the released games have sold over 1.5 million copies, SFIV and RE5 will easily top that. Then look at RE Zero, released alongside the original Metroid Prime in November, that actually sold worse than the REmake released in April.
Ninja Gaiden 2 had a better opening month releasing in June than Little Big Planet or Dead Space.
Fucking Ninja Gaiden, a game that eats hardcore gamers for breakfast.
Army of 2 and RSV 2, released in March, sold >4x as much as Far Cry 2 or the approximation for Mirror's Edge.
WaltJay said:
I think a lot of people are missing out on why AC's advertising was so effective, because ME has been advertised quite frequently here in the states. Ubisoft was actually able to cut several commercials with nothing but real-time footage and review blurbs, because the game looks that good.
titiklabingapat
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Fans can always ask Dead Space and ME to be ported to Wii HD later on so no worries everyone.
Speaking for myself, reviews put me off from buying the PC version when it comes out. I'll probably mooch off of someone's 360 to play it and buy the inevitably better and longer sequel when it comes out.
You know they're not going to cancel a whole series if this one doesn't take off at retail. They know they have problems and they've seen the review scores, if they fix their issues for ME2 it'll sell just fine.
You know they're not going to cancel a whole series if this one doesn't take off at retail. They know they have problems and they've seen the review scores, if they fix their issues for ME2 it'll sell just fine.
If all you wanted was Portal you didn't buy the Orange Box. You could always get it by itself, and it wasn't $60 like Mirror's Edge.mightynine said:
This whole "every big release has to be $60" philosophy is killing a lot of good games this generation, and the sad thing is that people don't seem to realize that it's a deciding factor.
SolidSnakex
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aeolist said:
It's a very good possibility that they would. Heavenly Sword was planned to be a series, it didn't do well and as such there aren't going to be anymore games.
BobsRevenge
I do not avoid women, GAF, but I do deny them my essence.
Why do you hate money?Grecco said:
Portal was a good game, but it wasn't close to that good. Worth about $15 to me. 4 hours? Come on. It wasn't even that good until half way through it.
BobsRevenge said:
It was my seccond favorite game of the year last year. I did think it was that good. (and Mirrors Edge reminds me a heck of alot of Portal at times and probably a good reason why i love Mirrors Edge)
But i did like it. So i felt the price was justified. Plus ive spent 60 on a couple of stinkers anyways.
jonnybryce
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Mirror's Edge sells bad because
I bought Orange Box exclusively for Portal. There goes that.
- It's really short which scares many away
- It doesn't have multiplayer
- The way it handles time trials is too limited. You don't compete for rank unless you're within 2 seconds of the best person in the world. Expand the Rank board, playing against my own best time over and over is boring. When someone then asks me if this game is a buy or rental, I say rental because time trials boil down to competing with yourself. After a while, I peak.
- Reviews loved running but hated this tacked on fighting shit. We wanted to run around, and much like Sonic Unleashed, there was too much time where you weren't, but fighting instead. Reviews hated this, I didn't like this too much either.
- Released at worse time.
- $60 price for 6 hour game with no multiplayer. I bought it, I didn't mind. But I can see how a lot of peoples say WTF and walk away.
aeolist said:
I bought Orange Box exclusively for Portal. There goes that.
I think the game bombed because:
A. Not about shooting people in the face, which is what J6P wants to see in CMs
B. Female lead. Not GAR enough
C. Gameplay is too precise and hardcore for mainstream gamer, reminds me of the first Maximo game but easier.
D. No multiplayer, and J6P just wants to shoot people in the face online while calling them insults
Basically it's a total non-mainstream title. Dead Space was EA's mainstream game and it bombed, ME is EA's hardcore niche game and it bombed as well. Sucks :\
A. Not about shooting people in the face, which is what J6P wants to see in CMs
B. Female lead. Not GAR enough
C. Gameplay is too precise and hardcore for mainstream gamer, reminds me of the first Maximo game but easier.
D. No multiplayer, and J6P just wants to shoot people in the face online while calling them insults
Basically it's a total non-mainstream title. Dead Space was EA's mainstream game and it bombed, ME is EA's hardcore niche game and it bombed as well. Sucks :\
SolidSnakex
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Bebpo said:
Which is why it wouldn't surprise me if the old EA returns. The one that people once complained about for focusing too much on sequels and licensed games. They've tried stepping out and it doesn't seem to be working.
Bebpo said:
GAR?
This notion that "female" lead games bomb is interesting. Tomb Raider does not. Id instead suggest that non sexualized female lead games bomb. See Beyond Good and Evil for instance. If Jade was sexy it would have sold!
Activision is the new EA essentially and its not working for them either. Go check out how Quantum of Solace does this month (And i bought that game too :/ )