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Misfits: It's like Heroes, but good

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Feep said:
It makes lots of sense. Many stories have done this, and it's entirely consistent.

He had to come back to make sure it happened because the only way that stuff happened, for him, was when future flippy Simon came back and did it for him. I don't know a better way to explain this. Future flippy Simon always came back. There was never a timeline or existence when he did not.

Let us construct a timeline, starting with no-power Simon.

Normal Simon | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Future Flippy Simon
1) Gets powers | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Has not yet appeared
2) Kills prob. workers etc. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Has not yet appeared
3) Sees Future Flippy Simon savin' his ass | | | | | | Saves Normal Simon's ass
4) Chillin' out on some chains | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Dies to save Alisha
5) Falls in love with Alisha, becomes badass | | | | | Is dead
6) Goes back in time to step 3, becomes FF Simon | Is dead

It always happened this way. Nothing changed. It is a stable loop.

Didn't you guys watch Lost? Whatever happened, happened.
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Pretty much, but the writers can get around step 6 if they really want to so that there is still a Simon in step 7.

Clones
Shapeshifters
Ressurection
Astral projection
Etc
 
What if future Simon came from a future where everyone died and they never dug up nathan? He came back to save them and made up the shit about Alisha to get laid!
 
masud said:
What if future Simon came from a future where everyone died and they never dug up nathan? He came back to save them and made up the shit about Alisha to get laid!
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Back to the Future style: he wouldn't go back to THIS past, he'd go to his own past, in which Nathan was never dug up.

Unless Simon's time travel possesses the ability to travel through time AND alternate realities, which is ridiculous.
 
What if Nathans head gets chopped off?

Does he still live? That's what would've happened with the chainsaw (or he gets cut in half?).

Loving the unique style of the show. Wish more tv shows were this unique.
 
Timbuktu said:
I don't the time travel is going to be brought up often again, the show likes to keep things moving forward. What I get from the plot is the knowledge that Simon will change, things will change and that Alisha is now living with the idea of a future and isn't in the perpetual present of youth anymore and is acting more responsibly. It's always more about character than plot.
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She also seems to be looking out for Simon/Barry
 
Feep said:
It makes lots of sense. Many stories have done this, and it's entirely consistent.

He had to come back to make sure it happened because the only way that stuff happened, for him, was when future flippy Simon came back and did it for him. I don't know a better way to explain this. Future flippy Simon always came back. There was never a timeline or existence when he did not.

Let us construct a timeline, starting with no-power Simon.

Normal Simon | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Future Flippy Simon
1) Gets powers | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Has not yet appeared
2) Kills prob. workers etc. | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Has not yet appeared
3) Sees Future Flippy Simon savin' his ass | | | | | | Saves Normal Simon's ass
4) Chillin' out on some chains | | | | | | | | | | | | | | Dies to save Alisha
5) Falls in love with Alisha, becomes badass | | | | | Is dead
6) Goes back in time to step 3, becomes FF Simon | Is dead

It always happened this way. Nothing changed. It is a stable loop.

Didn't you guys watch Lost? Whatever happened, happened.
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I'm sorry but it still doesn't make sense and I really don't care if LOST says it does(I still haven't watched the final season).

it had to have happened at some point to make Simon come back to make sure certain events happen. it may always be that way afterwards, but the original time it happened it obviously didn't go that way otherwise there was no reason for him to come back i the first place.

Unless you are saying that all time is simultaneous and the passing of time is just an illusion since everything apparently happens all at one. (that makes no sense)

There was no future Simon at the time of the original "incidents" and the original Simon obviously didn't like the way things turned out so then original Simon created some "stable time loop" where he went back and interfered with past events until he he got the desired results that he was hoping for.

All the pictures, the room and the clocks show that he must have been doing this for quite some time to get everything timed out to the exact second so that he could manipulate the events to his favor, but things couldn't have always happened that way if he didn't exist when they originally happened.


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and assuming that what I said is what happened, I think it would be pretty funny if they had a Future Simon episode showing all the times he's fucked up and had to try again and again and again to get things to go his way.
 
NaughtyCalibur said:
Also, I was a bit thrown off by Nathan still being able to
see the dead. I thought that was a result of the drugs still working their way out of his system in this season's second episode, and not actually a byproduct of his immortality. That seems like a completely different ability to me, despite Nathan's guess along the lines of "I guess because I can live forever I can see the dead." When has immortality ever = mediumship?

This among other things has led me to firmly believe that everyone has at least two abilities in addition to their drug-induced inverses whether they know it or not; and they don't necessarily have to relate very much (if at all) to their primary powers.

For example, I'm led to believe that Curtis'
alternate power
may be
flight, judging by the second episode of him in the future standing at the edge of a roof top in a cape.
Judging by
Future Simon, it's pretty obvious that Simon's alternate power(s) deal extensively with agility and perhaps even power negation a la Heroes' "Haitian" (being able to touch Alisha).

So instead of fairly predictable evolution of powers, they get a completely different secondary power.
That could prove far more interesting while keeping the surprises high, in my opinion.
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Another potential one of Simon's alternate powers is his apparent superhuman aim. Think of the (ridiculous) peanut throwing event and the paper airplane that hit the gang from miles away.
 
Is the pilot representative of the rest of the show? I thought it was alright. Not sure if I want to continue, although there's not that many episodes, so I just might.
 
Feep said:
Back to the Future style: he wouldn't go back to THIS past, he'd go to his own past, in which Nathan was never dug up.

Unless Simon's time travel possesses the ability to travel through time AND alternate realities, which is ridiculous.
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Uh. That only applies to future travel, really... since you can go back to the point where the timelines are altered (Nathan being dug up or not being dug up) and change it.
 
Sobriquet said:
Is the pilot representative of the rest of the show? I thought it was alright. Not sure if I want to continue, although there's not that many episodes, so I just might.
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Just watch the show
 
Nose Master said:
Uh. That only applies to future travel, really... since you can go back to the point where the timelines are altered (Nathan being dug up or not being dug up) and change it.
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He can go back to when he was dug up or not dug up, but if in his timeline Nathan was not dug up, and he traveled to sometime after that fork, he would still be not dug up.

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I'm sorry, but you're just not comprehending this. You say that Future Simon was not originally there, but that just isn't true. He was there. It happened. You saw it happen. Past Simon becomes Future Simon and goes back in time to make sure that what he saw happened.

If those events didn't happen in his timeline, he would not have precise knowledge of how to bring them about. He cannot "keep going back in time", otherwise there would be fucking fifty (or more technically, an infinite number of) Simons running around trying different shit.

I'm done trying to explain it. Good luck with the show.

Lost is way harder than this, too
 
NaughtyCalibur said:
Also, I was a bit thrown off by Nathan still being able to
see the dead.
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Yeah, me too. That scene was hilarious though, Nathan giving Ollie the finger. I also laughed when he couldn't remember Ollie's name. :lol
 
my thoughts on time travel are that, in situations like this, it is a complete truth and stuck in an infinite cycle.

SO, future simon came back in time because when he was at this point in time, there was a future simon that came back and told HIS alisha how to do thngs, so that our current future simon, back when he was nerd simon, would become the man he currently is.

In the exact same way, our current nerd simon will turn into who he will in the future, but he knows that for that to occur, he must, in the future, come back in time and tell alisha whatever and do whatever so that things happen in a certain way, so that he becomes who he becomes.


you're sitting in your chair. suddenly a portal opens and you from 5 years from now walks out and says "here is a ray-gun. use it to take over the world." you then use the ray gun to take over the world, create a super-think-tank, and develop a time-machine. you then use that time machine to go back in time and give yourself the ray-gun (which is now a standard-issue gun, in the future) because if you dont go back in time, you would have never been able to take over the world, and the future as you know it (which would be the present, in the you-from-5-years-from-now view) would simply cease to exist.

so because you dont want the future/present to stop existing, you must go back and enable yourself to become what you currently are.



the harry potter fanfic that is like 800 pages long investiges the timetravel 'paradox' quite interestingly. harry recognizes that when hes sitting in his chair, he can simply wish for an item to be, say, behind a door that leads to the hallway, and then go and open the door and the item is there. he then uses the item to escape the situation he is in, get back to the dorms, and uses his time machine to go and place the item behind the door, back in the past at the time when he needs it. it is near god-like powers, because all he needs to do is have the intention/wish for something to happen (that is within his power to cause to happen further down the timeline) and it will happen immediately. and really, i dont see any problems with this, and it is even a stretch further than the simon time traveling.


SOOOOO in summary, future simon is who he is because there was another future simon who made him that way, and THAT future simon was made that way by HIS OWN future simon, continue in an infinite series. similarly our current simon will have to eventually go back in time and do the exact same thing that future simon we have seen done. his fate is locked in, essentially. if he chose not to go back in time, i think that the instant that decision was made in his brain, the world would .. i dont know the word... warp? itself and create a completely different image based on what would have happened if no future simon had come back in time. and simon would instantly forget having thought of going back in time, because it never happened to him.

so if we only have one reality//linear timeline, it is a reality in which simon either HAS, or HAS NOT gone back in time to to whatever hes done. since we have established that he has, we see that logically, he too must go back in time, or else future simon would have never gone back in time in the first place.







..... anyone follow all of that? :D :lol
 
mcrae said:
..... anyone follow all of that? :D :lol
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It seems as though future simon's intentions though were to CHANGE the future, to make sure some things happened and didn't happen. unless they've already calibrated what needs to happen in order to get the ideal future.
 
GiJoccin said:
It seems as though future simon's intentions though were to CHANGE the future, to make sure some things happened and didn't happen. unless they've already calibrated what needs to happen in order to get the ideal future.
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yeah, i suppose that that did seem to be his intentions. which i can't make any sense of at all, fuck the writers and time travel.
 
WHAAAAAAAAAATTTT!!! :lol :lol :lol

That totally made up for another weak episode. Next week looks awesome though.
 
GiJoccin said:
It seems as though future simon's intentions though were to CHANGE the future, to make sure some things happened and didn't happen. unless they've already calibrated what needs to happen in order to get the ideal future.
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I'm guessing we'll get some more information on it that is vital to seeing the big picture either in the next episode or in season 3. Also while I can't point to anything specific I feel like they have been hinting that this has happened multiple times. I guess mainly because the photos on the walls were there before those events happened, Future Simon had to have brought them back from the future, but why bring them back if you fixed everything in one loop? So he's either been back multiple times or inherited them from an earlier version of himself.

Maybe each Simon fixes a problem the last Simon couldn't figure out.

It'll be interesting when/if Alisha ever shows Simon his future self's lair.
 
I really wasnt expecting to see Curtises super hero scene so soon. :lol

Next week looks interesting - I wonder how many episodes are left till the end of the season, it really looks like theyre near the end based on next weeks preview.
 
bobs99 ... said:
I really wasnted expecting to see Curtises super hero scene so soon. :lol

Next week looks interesting - I wonder how many episodes are left till the end of the season, it really looks like theyre near the end based on next weeks preview.
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there's 7 episodes this season. and next week is the 6th.
 
Yeah, Nathan is a hoot. In fact it's the interplay between Nathan and the crew, Simon and the crew, and specifically Simon and Nathan that make the show for me. Robert Sheehan and Iwan Rheon are amazing actors.
 
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol @ those super hero costumes.

Funny how Nathan actually seems to care about Barry
Simon
deep down
 
Norwegian Wood said:
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol @ those super hero costumes.

Funny how Nathan actually seems to care about Barry
Simon
deep down
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That is what I love about Nathan's character, yeah he is a dick but deep down he really views them as his friends. Great stuff.

The episode was great, I love the super hero costumes and how it was just a costume party all along. Next episode looks interesting, and I really think the finale is going to be pretty crazy with the world or just people in general knowing about their powers.
 
The whole father murderer storyline was a bit obvious. Nathan was hilarious as usual though. I'm glad the superhero outfits were just part of the costume party and not a look into them becoming superheroes, though it may still happen considering the preview for next week and Future Simon. Seeing Curtis' black ass was a bit of a surprise, I'd much rather see Nikki's. :D
 
parasight said:
The whole father murderer storyline was a bit obvious. Nathan was hilarious as usual though. I'm glad the superhero outfits were just part of the costume party and not a look into them becoming superheroes, though it may still happen considering the preview for next week and Future Simon. Seeing Curtis' black ass was a bit of a surprise, I'd much rather see Nikki's. :D
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Everyone seems to be getting some except Nathan.
even a gorilla got some
:lol :lol :lol :lol
 
Next week's ep with the shot of
Nathan shooting himself in a tux for some sort of "less-cruel" snuff film looks absolutely fucking amazing!

Great episode. Good to see they're still keeping it absurd, and the cocktease about the
costumes
was perfect.
 
it irritates me when people complain that time travel isn't realistic.

neither are superpowers. It's MAKE BELIEVE AAAAAAHHHHH. It's nice to see fiction giving their take on how it might work.
 
Next week looks all kinds of fucked up.


Nose Master said:
Next week's ep with the shot of
Nathan shooting himself in a tux for some sort of "less-cruel" snuff film looks absolutely fucking amazing!

Great episode. Good to see they're still keeping it absurd, and the cocktease about the
costumes
was perfect.
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My first thought was that he is an illusionist rather.
 
This last episode was hilarious :lol Yes, the
Simon plot was kind of obvious but I was thrown off for a while. Although my first thought was "it was the dad" during the 5 first minutes of the ep. when Bruno got violent with Kelly I thought "mmm it might be him". It was kind of crappy that the father just got crazy like the first probation worker.
The costumes were hilarious! Kelly's was the lamest though.

About the twist, yeah, I didn't see that coming at all.
When Bruno grabbed Kelly and started climbing the building I was like WTF, is he spiderman or some shit but the truth was even better.

The closing shot with all of them in costume and holding a beer was awesome. :lol Nikki's very hawt and I'm amazed about her scar; you can barely see it. I didn't like Jessica. The actress was awful and the character was even worse IMO. I hope we don't have to see her again.

Next week looks awesome!
 
What a great episode.

Bastards scared me when they showed the guy in Simon's costume next to Simon. I thought Future Simon was back for a second.
 
Finally just watched last night's episode just now on YouTube. Awesome stuff. I thought Kelly's boyfriend was like a werewolf or something until I read back the last few posts of this thread. He was actually 100% gorilla :lol

As ever, next week's looks fantastic.
 
coolcole93 said:
Finally just watched last night's episode just now on YouTube. Awesome stuff. I thought Kelly's boyfriend was like a werewolf or something until I read back the last few posts of this thread. He was actually 100% gorilla :lol

As ever, next week's looks fantastic.
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i thought for a second that he had monkey personality like nathan's stepdad. i actually didn't see that it was a gorilla turn human :lol
 
coolcole93 said:
Finally just watched last night's episode just now on YouTube. Awesome stuff. I thought Kelly's boyfriend was like a werewolf or something until I read back the last few posts of this thread. He was actually 100% gorilla :lol
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Did you miss Nathan's "Why is there a gorilla in a gorilla costume?" line?
 
I can't believe you guys missed that Bruno was a gorilla. :lol

SaintZ said:
This last episode was hilarious :lol Yes, the
Simon plot was kind of obvious but I was thrown off for a while. Although my first thought was "it was the dad" during the 5 first minutes of the ep. when Bruno got violent with Kelly I thought "mmm it might be him". It was kind of crappy that the father just got crazy like the first probation worker.
The costumes were hilarious! Kelly's was the lamest though.

About the twist, yeah, I didn't see that coming at all.
When Bruno grabbed Kelly and started climbing the building I was like WTF, is he spiderman or some shit but the truth was even better.

The closing shot with all of them in costume and holding a beer was awesome. :lol Nikki's very hawt and I'm amazed about her scar; you can barely see it. I didn't like Jessica. The actress was awful and the character was even worse IMO. I hope we don't have to see her again.

Next week looks awesome!
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His power was obviously very different to the 1st probation worker's.

When Bruno started climbing the building I thought he was like King Kong. I didn't realise he had physically turned into a gorilla though. :D

I thought the scar was actually noticeable. lol
(like it should be)
 
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