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[Crushed]

Protecting it from itself sounds a little to I, Robot for me.

...:lol

 

[shinsnake]

Nobody ever said that.

My point wasn't that someone said that, just that if they had said something to that effect, especially if it was about sex or pornography, people would have been up in arms. Nice try cutting a quote out of context though. Almost good work.

 

[v0yce]

That still has nothing to do with a politician. So then, I assume conservative politicians who speak about filfth in today's media is also a good thing, because if we're all spending all of our time jerking off to porn on every channel, we won't be good parents and the nation will go bankrupt. One has nothing to do with the other. Good parenting and lots of television and videogames are not mutually exclusive.

Uh, yes?

 

[veggiestick2000]

I wouldn't be surprised if no politician is "pro video games" for an another couple of decades. Video games and politics...do you really think Obama or any candidate would support gaming in the face of all the negative mainstream press it gets? Hell he might play games himself, but he's sure as hell not going to make statements aimed at the general voting public that he is in support of "kids playing video games"... this is really a non-issue.

 

[SturokBGD]

If you are a good parent, then he ISN'T talking about you.

Yes, but as has been said, he has to be a whole lot less general with his generalisations.

Actually, hoping not to open a can of worms here, but I'm not an American and don't live in the USA, I interpret US politics "from the outside", and to us outsiders, comments like the ones don't read like "this comment only applies to 'x' person"... they read like "this applies to everyone". Call me cynical, but I think Obama and his spin doctors know fine well that these kinds of comments can be perceived as being deliberately inflammatory... it's a passive-aggressive sensationalism that... y'know... gets people talking... right?

 

[shinsnake]

Wait, you think it's OK to give porn/violent stuff to kids? :lol

Anyways, politicians trying to outlaw selling M games to minors and Obama expressing an opinion that's pretty thoroughly backed up by psychology and sociology...apples and oranges.

It's not. Politicians should not be worried about what we do with our personal life, end of story. It doesn't matter whether it's legislation or an attempt to push the country a certain way. Same thing.

 

[fernoca]

Wow..talk about misleading title..
Ban Kotaku and minus_273!!!!!
Obama 2008!! :lol

 

[badcrumble]

I have no party affiliation but I am a staunch conservative. Leave me alone, don't interfere with my life, don't charge me too much in taxes, don't tell me what to do.

The government is not about leadership, it never was. It's about protecting this nation. It's about protecting it from outside, not within. Protecting it from itself sounds a little to I, Robot for me.

If I, Robot is the best dystopic future fiction you can think of (I'm thinking that you're referring to the movie because assuming you've heard of Asimov would probably give you a little too much credit) then I'm not too surprised given your political leanings, but boy howdy have I got a big reading list for you.

 

[Crushed]

My point wasn't that someone said that, just that if they had said something to that effect, especially if it was about sex or pornography, people would have been up in arms. Nice try cutting a quote out of context though. Almost good work.

But they don't advocate it anyway, because a politician saying "I think current social trends make it difficult to improve the country" isn't controlling people.

 

[CrushDance]

So, you're telling me that the clips I watched of her on BSNBC were heavily edited to make her look bad? And after all the Obama leg humping they've done! How could they?

And in general, he needs to talk about people who don't excel in parenting. In general, he needs to not talk so much in general terms. They're called stereotypes and people tend to not like them.

EDIT: Or maybe he's just talking about Obama supporters who are terrible parents? Then I wouldn't be offended by his comments because they don't apply to me.

WTF?

How is it his fucking right to tell you how to spend your free time? Where the hell is the freedom in that? "We've got work to do"? I work all day thanks (when I'm not surfing GAF), and I'm free to choose what entertainment I like in my free time. I'm really pissed off with that and I don't even live in the US.

EDIT: Although I suppose he's actually referring to kids. But you know, previously young gamers were considered nerds, who actually did well at school but had no social life. These days, they aren't nerds any more, just murderers or underachievers.

WTF?

Some of you guys need to learn how to read. The guy is saying "Lets get our priorties straight" not "No more games"

Reading is fundamental.

 

[eznark]

wow @ eznark. You're trying way too hard.

effort is the first step towards achievement. Just trying to fit into Kotakus view of Obamas America.

 

[Classic_Gs]

Also I am clearly not an underachiever because I rented Avatar and farmed it for gamer points

:lol I did the same with TMNT, N3, and Condemed.

 

[Evander]

So then I suppose you support government running our lives and making decisions for us and saying what we should and should not do?

I was dead-on, wasn't I? A Libertarian is just an Anarchist who is too much of a pussy to admit it.

Where did Obama suggest running anyone's life, or making decisions for them?

Are you implying that politicians should be stripped of free speech, or something?

Regardless, I like this quote becase it reflects what his values are, which is that proper parenting is more important than the content that children are exposed to, because parenting informs that content.



And, for the record, despite being (currently) registered as a Democrat, I DID NOT vote for Obama.

 

[Red Blaster]

The government is not about leadership, it never was. It's about protecting this nation. It's about protecting it from outside, not within. Protecting it from itself sounds a little too I, Robot for me.

You're really quite stupid.

 

[shinsnake]

Uh, yes?

Perhaps I went too far in my analogy for someone to follow what I was saying. Would you support a conservative politician coming out and saying that we need to take filth off the airwaves and out of videogames because it's harming our kids? That's essentially what Obama said, except he's liberal and talking about entertainment in general because it's bad parenting.

 

[Evander]

It's not. Politicians should not be worried about what we do with our personal life, end of story. It doesn't matter whether it's legislation or an attempt to push the country a certain way. Same thing.

So, your personal life has ZERO effect on the country as a whole?

 

[Prime crotch]

Wait, you think it's OK to give porn/violent stuff to kids? :lol

I saw a guy "carpet licking" and saw Robocop when I was like five or four years old(all thanks to being the youngest on the family). Nothing wrong ever came out of it.
Except being scared shitless of ever watching the melting man scene for almost 10 years.

edit:im just yankin' your chain

 

[shinsnake]

You're really quite stupid.

Wow, that was almost a first grade response. Next time, you might even try using three syllable words.

 

[pswii60]

Reading is fundamental.

I don't like golf either.

 

[I AM JOHN!]

Misleading thread title is misleading.

 

[Evander]

Perhaps I went too far in my analogy for someone to follow what I was saying. Would you support a conservative politician coming out and saying that we need to take filth off the airwaves and out of videogames because it's harming our kids? That's essentially what Obama said, except he's liberal and talking about entertainment in general because it's bad parenting.

Where did he talk about taking ANYTHING off the airwaves?

He talked about parents limiting their children's consuption of material, not removing material from society.



Seriously, at this point I fear for your children if you are their primary caretaker.

 

[Crushed]

Perhaps I went too far in my analogy for someone to follow what I was saying. Would you support a conservative politician coming out and saying that we need to take filth off the airwaves and out of videogames because it's harming our kids? That's essentially what Obama said, except he's liberal and talking about entertainment in general because it's bad parenting.

No it is not.

(neutral) shinsnake
Fears Asimovian Future

 

[v0yce]

It's not. Politicians should not be worried about what we do with our personal life, end of story. It doesn't matter whether it's legislation or an attempt to push the country a certain way. Same thing.

You've got a serious odd view of the world.

You think the government is for protection yes? Then just think of these kinds of suggestions as protection. Unattentive parents can damage a child. Just as porn can skew perceptions and behavior.

If all you're interested in is government arresting criminals, then you're just interested in treating symptoms, and not a cure.

Not that that was what Obama was getting at anyway.

 

[shinsnake]

So, your personal life has ZERO effect on the country as a whole?

Of course it has an effect. And I still fail to see how that's a politician's problem. When we as a country fix the country, instead of waiting on messiah like politician to do it, we'll be much better off. And I'm not libertarian. I believe in limited elected government, not lack of any elected government.

 

[Cheeto]

Who needs Fox News when you have NeoGaf?

 

[Crushed]

Obama = Stephen Byerley, a ROBOT IN DISGUISE.

 

[Barrett2]

Perhaps I went too far in my analogy for someone to follow what I was saying. Would you support a conservative politician coming out and saying that we need to take filth off the airwaves and out of videogames because it's harming our kids? That's essentially what Obama said, except he's liberal and talking about entertainment in general because it's bad parenting.

Once again, video game content has never been regulated by the Federal Government, and it never will be. That would violate the 1st Amendment.

 

[minus_273]

Wow..talk about misleading title..
Ban Kotaku and minus_273!!!!!
Obama 2008!! :lol

The fact that the title is not mine and I even say so in the OP didn't occur to you?
Also, your post says a lot more about Obama supporters tolerance for dissent than anything i can say.

 

[yamaneko]

BARAKA OBAMA IS CORRECT!!!!

 

[Count Dookkake]

What's Obama's take on wasting a Sunday a week for "spiritual" reasons?

Is that for underachievers, too?

 

[ThePeter]

You Obama superfans are kinda insecure...

 

[minus_273]

So, your personal life has ZERO effect on the country as a whole?

are you trying to ban gay marriage or abortion?

What's Obama's take on wasting a Sunday a week for "spiritual" reasons?

Is that for underachievers, too?

obama prefers friday don't you know?

 

[shinsnake]

Where did he talk about taking ANYTHING off the airwaves?

He talked about parents limiting their children's consuption of material, not removing material from society.

Seriously, at this point I fear for your children if you are their primary caretaker.

Apparently, some people are too delusionally attached to Obama's leg (sure, right, of course you didn't vote for him) or aren't bright enough to actually understand what is being discussed.

Again, my scenario, a conservative politician comes out and complains about the smut and filth on the airwaves and in our videogames and how it needs to be taken out. Not submit legislation or try to get it removed. If he does exactly what Obama did, except against smut instead of videogames, he would be tarred and feathered by you, and rightfully so.

And remember, Obama wasn't talking to me. He was, however, talking to his supporters, so perhaps, if you have any children, you would consider doing us all a favor and sending them to a non-Obama supporter, you know, so they can have a good parent.

 

[Crisis]

I propose a topic title change to "Bullshit headline is bullshit".

 

[eznark]

You Obama superfans are kinda insecure...

you're on the list.

 

[v0yce]

Perhaps I went too far in my analogy for someone to follow what I was saying. Would you support a conservative politician coming out and saying that we need to take filth off the airwaves and out of videogames because it's harming our kids? That's essentially what Obama said, except he's liberal and talking about entertainment in general because it's bad parenting.

Except that's not what he said.

At all.

sheesh.

 

[Evander]

Of course it has an effect. And I still fail to see how that's a politician's problem. When we as a country fix the country, instead of waiting on messiah like politician to do it, we'll be much better off. And I'm not libertarian. I believe in limited elected government, not lack of any elected government.

Anarchy is the extreme end of your branch of conservatism (small government), and from your statements, you aren't that far from it.



The idea of the country fixing itself is GREAT in theory, but it doesn't seem to be happening. I know I do my part, and I'm sure that you do yours, but there are plenty of people who don't.

So, the next time that some negligent parent raises a kid who goes on to commit the next Columbine, do you and I just shrug, and say that we did all we could? How about getting some one to explain to these folks WHY they have to be good parents?



I am not suggesting any sort of regulation on these materials, nor would I support any, but suggesting proper behavior, and leaving the ultimate decision up to the individual is NOT a bad thing.

 

[commariodore64]

does this surprise you people? ...the democratic party has always run under the belief that the govt should be large and in charge because the American populace is too ignorant to run their own lives.

 

[shinsnake]

Except that's not what he said.

At all.

sheesh.

Right, because "We're going to have to parent better, and turn off the television set, and put the video games away, and instill a sense of excellence in our children, and that's going to take some time." isn't saying that we should turn off the television set and put the video games away because it doesn't instill a sense of excellence in our children. :lol

Seriously, how did you even read my response if you can't read his speech quote?

 

[v0yce]

Apparently, some people are too delusionally attached to Obama's leg (sure, right, of course you didn't vote for him) or aren't bright enough to actually understand what is being discussed.

Again, my scenario, a conservative politician comes out and complains about the smut and filth on the airwaves and in our videogames and how it needs to be taken out. Not submit legislation or try to get it removed. If he does exactly what Obama did, except against smut instead of videogames, he would be tarred and feathered by you, and rightfully so.

And remember, Obama wasn't talking to me. He was, however, talking to his supporters, so perhaps, if you have any children, you would consider doing us all a favor and sending them to a non-Obama supporter, you know, so they can have a good parent.

Again, you're wrong.

Preaching moderation, or saying, "Don't drink and drive" is a lot different than saying "we need to do away with alcohol."

 

[Evander]

(sure, right, of course you didn't vote for him)

Not everyone walks in to every topic in an attempt to use it as a thin veil over a previous objective.

You CLEARLY simply dislike Obama overall, and are just using this as an excuse to complain about him. You'd be doing the EXACT same thing regardless of what he said.

For me, I have agreed and disagreed with him on a variety of things. I don't like the cuts he wants to make to NASA funding, for instance, and I'm uncomfortable with his Israel policy statements.



I voted for Gravel, for the record. I intend to switch to Independant before the general elections, as well, because I am tired of the partisanship that the Democratic party is exhibiting these days.

 

[Lost Fragment]

Right, because "We're going to have to parent better, and turn off the television set, and put the video games away, and instill a sense of excellence in our children, and that's going to take some time." isn't saying that we should turn off the television set and put the video games away because it doesn't instill a sense of excellence in our children. :lol

Seriously, how did you even read my response if you can't read his speech quote?

That is indeed what he said.

we need to take filth off the airwaves and out of videogames because it's harming our kids?

That is what he didn't say.

Edit: why do I even get involved in these kinds of threads? Nobody ever changes their opinions on the internets.

 

[XiaNaphryz]

 

[CrushDance]

Of course it has an effect. And I still fail to see how that's a politician's problem. When we as a country fix the country, instead of waiting on messiah like politician to do it, we'll be much better off. And I'm not libertarian. I believe in limited elected government, not lack of any elected government.

:lol :lol :lol :lol
OMG. Do you understand the role of politics?

 

[shinsnake]

Anarchy is the extreme end of your branch of conservatism (small government), and from your statements, you aren't that far from it.

The idea of the country fixing itself is GREAT in theory, but it doesn't seem to be happening. I know I do my part, and I'm sure that you do yours, but there are plenty of people who don't.

So, the next time that some negligent parent raises a kid who goes on to commit the next Columbine, do you and I just shrug, and say that we did all we could? How about getting some one to explain to these folks WHY they have to be good parents?

I am not suggesting any sort of regulation on these materials, nor would I support any, but suggesting proper behavior, and leaving the ultimate decision up to the individual is NOT a bad thing.

No, of course, suggesting proper behavior is not a bad thing. But again, that doesn't need to come from a politician, no matter how much sway over people he has. You know what worries me? We find a President that enjoys the kind of support Bush had after 9/11 and he does tell us all how to think and act. And then it would be too late.

And about the Columbine scenario you raised, no I wouldn't just shrug and say we did all we can do. But I sure as hell wouldn't get down on my knees and pray to President Obama for guidance or suggestions, as you put it. I've got a messiah already that leads me. And he's no phony politician in regular man's clothing.

 

[Kittonwy]

Good idea, parents doing some parenting rather than dumping the kids in front of the TV with a gamepad and expecting it to raise them.

Sure parents dump the kids in front of a TV with a system so they wouldn't bother them but I wouldn't call it parenting. I didn't play much videogames when I was a kid, I paid my own way through university, got my degree and now Ima cat with a gb helmet, so you never know. If the kids want to play videogames, I'd say let them, don't deprive them, let them play sports too, they just have to manage their own time.

 

[harSon]

Some Conservatives scare me...

 

[shinsnake]

That is indeed what he said.

That is what he didn't say.

Edit: why do I even get involved in these kinds of threads? Nobody ever changes their opinions on the internets.

Wow, how do you continually miss the question? If a politician did say that, would you be offended? I know I would.

And I'm not arguing because I have to prove someone wrong. I'm arguing because I'm on my lunch break. It's fun.

 

[commariodore64]

Anarchy is the extreme end of your branch of conservatism (small government), and from your statements, you aren't that far from it.



The idea of the country fixing itself is GREAT in theory, but it doesn't seem to be happening. I know I do my part, and I'm sure that you do yours, but there are plenty of people who don't.

So, the next time that some negligent parent raises a kid who goes on to commit the next Columbine, do you and I just shrug, and say that we did all we could? How about getting some one to explain to these folks WHY they have to be good parents?



I am not suggesting any sort of regulation on these materials, nor would I support any, but suggesting proper behavior, and leaving the ultimate decision up to the individual is NOT a bad thing.

Exactly - and these are the people who want the government to do everything and provide everything for them. The answer is not for the govt to provide for the people - it is to protect the people..... but I digress....

On a side note - I was at an ebgames once where a woman tried to buy an Xbox 360 game with food stamps and became irate when they wouldn't let her...
:lol

 

[shinsnake]

:lol :lol :lol :lol
OMG. Do you understand the role of politics?

Seriously, people who actually think that the role of politics is to fix our lives scare me more than anything, even more than OBAMA!