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Mitt Romney to make "major speech" tomorrow. 3rd candidate?
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Doubt that's happening. It would be the shock of a lifetime though.
Not really. His people said it's not an endorsement or a candidacy announcement. Who knows.
AstroNut325
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I think he'll support/endorse Rubio.
I can't see him entering the race. And we'll have pigs flying before he endorses Clinton.
I can't see him entering the race. And we'll have pigs flying before he endorses Clinton.
gamechanger87
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What the heck are you smoking? Trump is the only candidate losing to Hil in the polls. She beats him by 3.4 and loses to Cruz, Rubio and Kasich. Why do you think he would have a snowballs chance in hell to win it all?
Back a losing candidate who won't help you raise funds for your reelection? Sounds like a great plan.
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I'm not expecting him to shock us all and endorse Clinton.
Closest thing I could think of was when Joe Lieberman, 2000's Democratic VP nominee, endorsed John McCain in 2008. But Lieberman had been so steadily moving in a rightward direction for years that when he announced his endorsement few were surprised. I see few hints as such from Romney.
Closest thing I could think of was when Joe Lieberman, 2000's Democratic VP nominee, endorsed John McCain in 2008. But Lieberman had been so steadily moving in a rightward direction for years that when he announced his endorsement few were surprised. I see few hints as such from Romney.
Ether_Snake
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Hillary losing to Cruz, Rubio, or Kasich = hilarious.
Trump is the only one who COULD potentially beat her, and probably wouldn't, but any other candidate is laughable.
cpp_is_king
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I honestly don't care what the polls say, every other candidate will lose to Hilary by over 10. Guaranteed, not even close.
Will Trump? Probably so, but the unknown factor is much higher with Trump than other candidates.
KuwabaraTheMan
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It scares me with Trump, because of how unique he is. I worry that he could get tons of people coming out and voting him based on celebrity status or whatever, or just because he's so entertaining.
I don't have that worry with anyone else.
legacyzero
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Jump in, Mitt.
Also, Joe Biden should entire too. BURN THIS SHIT DOWN LMAO
Also, Joe Biden should entire too. BURN THIS SHIT DOWN LMAO
Orbis Tabula
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I doubt he would do that now. Not until the Republican party finally has to admit defeat. Like, as long as Rubio and Kasich (and hell, even Cruz) are still in this, there's no reason to abandon the party just yet.
But if you're right, then it was an incredible prediction.
The only candidate that could beat Hillary is Kasich because I fear minorities and swing voters could fall for his compassionate conservative crap the same way they did with Dubya.
Saying that a candidate who is currently being blasted by his own party for failing to repudiate the KKK can win a general election in 2016 is hilarious. Trump will set records for how low his minority vote will be.
Saying that a candidate who is currently being blasted by his own party for failing to repudiate the KKK can win a general election in 2016 is hilarious. Trump will set records for how low his minority vote will be.
It seems pretty plain to me what a Trump candidacy looks like.
Months and months and months of fear setting in. A historic number of young, moderate, minority, liberal and female voters turning out with the specific goal to keep him out. #StopTrump or some variant is an inevitable movement - one that is probably going ot be bigger and louder than Occupy Wall Street , Obama's Hope campaign or Black Lives Matter.
Donald Trump probably has the hardcore support of like a third of the Republican base and the enmity of a quarter. Every liberal and moderate in the damn Country are going to turn out to make sure he loses, and some of the Republicans are going to swing.
It's going to be a historic loss. Much, much worse than any of the other Republican candidates - who would inspire more apathy among leftist voters, and less antipithy with the Republican party as a whole.
The lunatics voting Trump are loud, but they're not legion. Legion will be what opposes him in the general.
gamechanger87
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How would Trump beat her? He's the third option for everyone that is voting against him and he is still hanging around the 36% marker in the party. According to exit polls, 48% of Republican voters will have trouble supporting Trump if he is the nominee and the party elders and fellow congressman are already looking for other avenues out.
The Clinton campaign doesn't fear Trump. They do fear the other candidates. The democrats have a turnout problem and their primary nominee has a massive trust gap and a problem with likability. The best way to counter that is to have a politician they are going up against that has just as many negatives.
gutter_trash
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Romney and the establishment types don't get it.
Trump is like Sebastien Shaw obsorbing the attacks thrown at him then converting it back into energy to make himself stronger
Trump is like Sebastien Shaw obsorbing the attacks thrown at him then converting it back into energy to make himself stronger
gamechanger87
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He's not going to outright endorse her, but many within the party are already floating the third party option or refusing to vote for Trump. Today, Sen. Sasse and Gov. Baker already came out and said they won't vote for him no matter what.
Mitt is going to come out and drop all of the oppo research that the GOP and the Dems have. Doing it on the day of the debate will essentially force Trump to respond on stage and not via his own controlled press conferences.
BronsonLee
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So he's a Starter Villain?
cpp_is_king
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It was supposed to be an overwhelming defeat in the primaries.
I think you're probably right. I think no matter who is selected in the gop hilary will win.
But the other candidates don't have the surprise factor like Trump does. Whatever anyone thinks is likely to happen, you'd be foolish to deny that the surprise element exists with Trump
Outtrigger888
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So the republicans are gonna try hard now to make sure trump isn't elected as the primary. Really shows how fucked up the system is.
Suikoguy
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Depends on which Romney you are talking about. Far right winning the nomination Romney or Governor Romney?
Tesseract
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If it does, it's gonna look like the dark Knight rises brawl
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I wish Biden had run just so he could constantly clown the GOP field.
Also I think he is in an even better position to embrace the Obama administrations accomplishments, advocate furthering them without being "directly" involved in the messy things like Libya (at least from an external perspective).
Clinton might very well be a better president, but I sure do wish he was stumping.
Also I think he is in an even better position to embrace the Obama administrations accomplishments, advocate furthering them without being "directly" involved in the messy things like Libya (at least from an external perspective).
Clinton might very well be a better president, but I sure do wish he was stumping.
You can only be saying this because you celebrate opposite day.
gamechanger87
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Correct, he will get crushed and his lack of willingness to fundraise for a party that despises him (or in general) means that the losses will flow down ballot.
The down ballot impact is being underplayed by all within the media circles. Its one of the reasons that the Democratic leaders don't want Bernie to get the nod. Hillary has already set up fundraising sharing agreements with the majority of the Dem State parties where a portion of her fundraising in the state goes down ballot to help their campaigns. Bernie refuses to do that and his grassroots campaign makes it even harder.
The Dem and Rep parties have multiple reasons for wanting certain candidates and its not just the GE. The Dem Primary process is much more favorable to the "annointed" candidate through its SuperDelegate setup, while the Republican process was altered to allow candidates to stick around much longer. They made these changes to prevent a frontrunner from running away with the primary early, but it backfired because it also prevents a frontrunner from getting knocked out unless there is a consensus establishment candidate.
Nope.
Him running, him endorsing someone, him telling the GOP to wake the hell up before it's too late, him turning out to be a robot from the future to change the past, anything and everything is possible!
I think the opposite. He's going to endorse Trump and give him his Binders Full of Women.
Maintenance
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He's polishing his gun. Trump better watch out.
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I'm talking about Republican Brand Representative Romney.
True, he was a far more moderate governor than he was presidential candidate, but explicitly endorsing an opposing party's presumptive nominee is uncommon, especially from a party nominee just four years prior.
He could very easily come out tomorrow with a scathing denunciation of Trump and leave it at that, but crossing over and endorsing Hillary isn't necessarily something I expect. Would certainly be interesting, though.
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That's exactly why Trump can be her. You didn't listen to his speech on the Super Tuesday win? He's been slowly switching to his post-nomination phase, which is all about sounding reasonable: oh the wall will be paid for simply by reducing the trade deficit we have with Mexico not by actually talking to Mexico about it, oh the wall is first and foremost to avoid seeing drugs flood into the country like in WHITE PEOPLE TOWN NEW HAMPSPHIRE, a good chunk of the wall actually already exists, Planned Parenthood is great except the abortion part, poor people will keep some sort of affordable health care maybe even free if really poor, etc.
Trump's plan is precisely to rally up people who don't usually vote AND get Democrats to vote for him, especially those who are kindof sort of actually in the middle or conservative but not enough to vote for the "crazies". Trump isn't trying to win this by getting the same people McCain and Romney tried to get because otherwise he'd be sure to lose.
Tesseract
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When the superpacs are done with you, they feed you to satan
drtomoe123
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Yikes.
I guess it's inevitable that a part of you would die when you go through a loss like that in the social media age.
gamechanger87
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The "Wall"
Trump's proposal for building the wall and getting Mexico to pay for it by reducing the trade deficit its entirely a pitch to get those voters who know nothing about trade policies to say "that will work" because they understand the word trade deficit but don't know what it actually means.
We have a trade deficit with Mexico because we buy more from the country than we sell to them. Why do we have a trade deficit with Mexico? We are a net importer because we can't manufacture these products in the US at affordable prices. We consume more than we make. Unless everyone wants to pay for all US made goods, this will continue to exist. Unless he has a plan to repay all of the US companies that use cheap external labor, his entire plan is absurd.
Besides that concept, his means to "reign" in the trade deficit with Mexico via tariffs is even worse because he can't do anything about it. NAFTA must be changed or repealed via the legislative process and there is nothing that he can do about it. Unless he has some magical plan to strong arm both parties into tearing up NAFTA ruining our trading relationship with Canada in the process, it won't happen.
The Fronde
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The Netflix documentary "MITT" was actually really good. Humanized Romney a lot. I like the guy.
Credit to him, also, for destroying Obama in the first debate, which I re-watched last week. (And I think Obama is one of the best presidents in history, btw)
The GOP is nuts if they think that an anti-Trump speech given by the very embodiment of establishment Republican politics is going to sway his very anti-establishment supporters. Endorsing Cruz or Rubio won't work for the same reason - Trump's base doesn't care about the establishment and would find an endorsement of a candidate by said establishment to be a negative, not a positive.
I'd pay good money to see a Romney third party run. It's not happening - ever - but if it did then this would be the most entertaining primary season OF ALL TIME.
I'd pay good money to see a Romney third party run. It's not happening - ever - but if it did then this would be the most entertaining primary season OF ALL TIME.
gamechanger87
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Romney's goal will likely be to undermine the genuine premise of Trump's campaign that his a successful businessman who will protect you and tell it like it is.
Trump's base is stuck, but there is also the chance you can get them to move down. Don't forget Trump isn't going out and winning the majority of the voters. He's stuck in the 35% range and it is highly unlikely the Rubio/Cruz voters will switch to him based on exit polls. He is consistently showing up as those voters third preferred candidate.
One of the more interesting line of attack will be his actual business acumen. Trump's net worth is unknown and he consistently overvalues it because its all in his brand. He doesn't actually build casinos and the like anymore like he did back in the 1980s. Back in the 80s, he was going around building everything, putting his name on it and personally guaranteeing the debt. When a few went BK, he pretty much lost it all. His plan since then is really just to lease out his name for the developer and owner of the building and he just manages the property. He isn't putting up the money or taking on debt to build the location, he just lends his name and signs an operating agreement. He doesn't go long on the buildings anymore because it almost ruined him. All of his management companies are essentially the operators of the buildings.
Hellwarden
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Mitt to announce his run with Biden.
America is going to become a buddy cop movie for the next eight years.
Fuck it, I'm in
gamechanger87
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I'd take it. Biden's really only been along for the ride these past 8 years anyway. I think they just wheel him out to make inappropriate comments and then hide him.
Clockwork5
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Do you not see what you are doing here???
He's busy sleeping with his wife lol
Now that's a thinker.
hydragonwarrior
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Yeah Jeb just dipped off the face of the planet. There's no way he won't try to get Trump back somehow, even if he's just supporting another candidate.
DeviantBoi
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He hates Trump, but I think he feels betrayed by Rubio, his former protege. Doubt he'd endorse Cruz. He'll just stay out of it.
Until trump threatens to sue him for not endorsing him once he is the nominee per the GOP pledge they all signed.
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