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dem said:
i totally agree that the UFC has done some rather silly things and some of the upcoming events seem absurd, but do you really think strikeforce has their game figured out that much better? strikeforce will have put on 5 major shows in 2009 and 5 sho-mma events on the side, compared to 14 numbered UFC events and 5 other shows. i cant believe that there is better opportunity on the other side with strikeforce to make money and compete a lot.
putting a 47 year old herschel walker on your main card in January? paying kim couture more than anyone else on the last shomma card? putting a fight between kevin randleman and mike whitehead on your televised portion of a CBS card? there are lots of little things that strikeforce does that really makes me wonder what in the hell they are doing over there as well. i honestly feel that although hendo might be making good money for a little while, i am extremely skeptical at how long it will take for the well that is strikeforce to suddenly go dry.
not trying to be a ufc nuthugger here, of course, but most of the issues that people have with the upcoming cards have a lot more to do with injuries and things like that rather than simply poor management on the promotions part.
watched the UFC event over the weekend. couldve been worse!
Kimbo v Alexander coudlve been a fight right from this seasons TUF. the double palm to kneee incident at the bell was outrageous. glad Kimbo won though. never cared for Alexander. that was a beatuy of a body slam. it was great to see Kimbo with some actual grappling skills.
sad about Big Baby.
stragenly glad to see Roy get the KO. dont like Schuab very much. good to see Roy show something other than the ability to lay on top of an opponent.
decent for a free event. no where near the calibur of a WEC event, but then few free fight nights are.
Kimbo v Alexander coudlve been a fight right from this seasons TUF. the double palm to kneee incident at the bell was outrageous. glad Kimbo won though. never cared for Alexander. that was a beatuy of a body slam. it was great to see Kimbo with some actual grappling skills.
sad about Big Baby.
stragenly glad to see Roy get the KO. dont like Schuab very much. good to see Roy show something other than the ability to lay on top of an opponent.
decent for a free event. no where near the calibur of a WEC event, but then few free fight nights are.
Asbel said:
fedor's basically fought 3 top 10 guys in a little over the past year, he's been plenty active, its not his fault that barnett tested positive for roids otherwise it would have been 3 in a year, thats as active as any ufc champ, or more active in some cases actually
and fedor is set to fight in april again so....
Stoney Mason
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BSsBrolly said:
If you offer somebody more money and they still go with another organization then that's the way the cookie crumbles. Your characterization of the situation is misleading.
Host Samurai
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Anybody worry that by the time Fedor ever comes to the UFC it will be "too little too late" and be a bit past his prime like Cro Cop? Thats the only thing that worries me.
Host Samurai said:
I'd say that Fedor is already past his prime. Not that he's gotten any worse or showed signs of his age, but I don't think he'll ever top his reign in Pride. The only way he could do that is if he signed with the UFC tomorrow, tore through the HW division to become champion, then dropped down to LHW and beat all those guys, including Anderson Silva, and then beat a GSP + B.J. Penn tag team in a catch weight special attraction.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/12/8/1191212/sorry-strikeforce-no-fedor
Mousasi's Strikeforce contract says that he can only appear on Strikeforce shows that also feature Fedor.
Fuck M-1 Global
Mousasi's Strikeforce contract says that he can only appear on Strikeforce shows that also feature Fedor.
Fuck M-1 Global
id think he will probably have more success than nogueira did, and nog is still a top guy in the heavyweight division. i dont think cro-cop was ever past his prime, i think he just faced a completely different level of competition when he came over to the UFC and it showed. his last fights in pride were barnett, wanderlei, yoshida and minowa. he came to the UFC and faced eddie sanchez (can) and then faced gonzaga and kongo, two guys that are one a completely different level then those last fights in pride (other than barnett).Host Samurai said:
i do have the worry the same as you that when and if he does come to the ufc, he will not be at as high of a level. the only positive thing you can say is that we have seen nothing from fedor right now which would make us think he is losing his game. i dont think he has looked slower, more vulnerable, losing his strength and power... every appears to still be top notch for him. hopefully it stays that way.
Facism
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thefro said:
You could make the argument that the UFC is run by corrupt Italian mafia mobsters. Search out the Fertita family history, its an interesting read.
Pride had Yakuza all over it, M1 Global has Russian mob all over it and UFC has its mafia connection. Seems to be a pattern with big business.
DKehoe
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Wouldn't they get more money if they were on seperate events? If Strikeforce wants to use either Moussassi or Fedor at an event they have to co-promote with M1. If Strikeforce has an event with Fedor and an event with Moussassi the next month then thats twice they have to co-promote instead of just once if they are both on the card.smurfx said:
gunswordfist
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No, the only person who will be laying down for 25 minutes is Mousasi after Hendo knocks him out.EviLore said:
almost as high as the fedor v rogers fight on network television, that was 5.42 million
average audience was 3.7 million, while the average on the strikeforce event was 4 million. crazy they are able to pull those kinds of numbers with those kind of guys on the card. UFC 105, by comparison, pulled 2.9 million average, and thats with a headliner most people care about. TUF makes money, thats for sure.
average audience was 3.7 million, while the average on the strikeforce event was 4 million. crazy they are able to pull those kinds of numbers with those kind of guys on the card. UFC 105, by comparison, pulled 2.9 million average, and thats with a headliner most people care about. TUF makes money, thats for sure.
mrbagdt said:
They also had more sponsors than I've seen. I recall seeing Burger King, Harley Davidson, Mickey's, UFC 2009: Undisputed, and Tapout just on the canvas of the Octagon. Also there were a TON of commercials on the live broadcast.
Somebody really needs to figure out the format for live, non-PPV MMA broadcasts. It's not like other pro sports where you have scheduled breaks and time-outs that you can fill with commercials. In a fight you could have 10 minutes of build-up for a 10-second fight, and then you have to scramble to fill time with commercials and interviews while you get the next fight lined up. You also tend to see a lot of production mistakes like messed up sound and picture, etc. The commercial to fight ratio is 50:1, and it makes watching a live fight almost not even worth the hassle. I guess I could just get with the times and get a DVR...
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
Got my UFC 110 ticket. Decent seat but was only able to get one, gonna have to wait till public sale and try score another one for someone else.
gunswordfist
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Whoa, fucking whoa...Too bad the fight sucked.SolidSnakex said:
EraldoCoil
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the "YES Cartwheel" is one of the greatest and most hilarious things i have ever witnessed.
polyh3dron
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:lol :lol :lol
So I wasn't the only one watching this and LOLing.
He probably says that shit when he's fucking too lol
So I wasn't the only one watching this and LOLing.
He probably says that shit when he's fucking too lol
polyh3dron
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It reminds me of that attic picture with the GameCube, the shitty TV and the picture of Iwata.thirty said:
Brian Fellows
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thirty said:
Its very easy.
Watched 107 Countdown. Man, I can't stand Frank Mir's pseudointellectual douchebaggery.
Really strange, re: Mousasi's contract. Up to this point in his career he's been very active, so I'm not sure why he'd limit himself like that. But I suppose with:
Excellent. How about Ghita? Would be interesting to see how Mousasi would do compared to Kharitonov. Bit of a weight difference though.
Maybe Manhoef, then. Manhoef was upset that Mousasi didn't stand with him in their MMA fight.
Really strange, re: Mousasi's contract. Up to this point in his career he's been very active, so I'm not sure why he'd limit himself like that. But I suppose with:
Excellent. How about Ghita? Would be interesting to see how Mousasi would do compared to Kharitonov. Bit of a weight difference though.
Maybe Manhoef, then. Manhoef was upset that Mousasi didn't stand with him in their MMA fight.
Ninja Scooter
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EviLore said:
What's worse, that or Forrest's self depricating "Golly gee shucks im just a fighter i just punch stuff" crap?
bloodydrake
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Asbel said:
I agree with this.
I think we're at the point now where there is starting to be more good fighters then the ufc alone can manage.
I think hendo going to strikeforce is great and I'd bet money He'll be on all the CBS cards.
Plus other few signings Strikeforce has done(and the Dream co-promotion deal) They are really building up a nice stable of fighters.
I think besides the few exceptions like Fedor and Hendo and Musassi their fighters are a little less skilled then the top UFC fighters, however their Fight cards have been really good and entertaining last few events.
I want a solid organization thats a good alternative to UFC. Look at Rampage he's gonna finish his contract out. But after that if they won't give him title shot he could still fight in strikeforce with less restrictions than Dana requires.
I can't help but feel positive for things to come.
Ninja Scooter said:
See below:
Frank Murrrrrrr said:
Frank Murrrrrrr said:
"You talk too much Mir." -Kongo
Kongo makes a fool of Murrrr in the Countdown verbal sparring, very appropriately treating him like a petulant attention whoring child.
War Kongo, hope he gets a few accidententional nut shots in before the KO.
NinjaCodah
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Fedor's new Snickers commercials.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R47kqBRilXI
Someone needs to make a gif of Fedor at the end of the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R47kqBRilXI
Someone needs to make a gif of Fedor at the end of the video.
Evillore, you really think Kongo has a shot? He has a Houston Alexander level ground game, I just don't see a way he will win this fight unless its a wild ko. I may not be a big fan of Franks attitude, but as a fighter this should be an easy. Fight for him.
Also, posting on gaf from my phone blows.
Also, posting on gaf from my phone blows.
polyh3dron
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I would love to see Mir get KTFO'd by Kongo, but I have searched my feelings and know it to be true that Mir will win easily.
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