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I want to order a PPV in March or April, which card would be overall best?

 

[Fifty]

That's impossible to predict.

But you can't go wrong with either

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_111

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UFC_112

112 has two titles on the line, so I'd say that's the safer pick. All the upcoming PPVs look very solid though..especially after the messes that 108 and 109 were.

 

[Sinatar]

Coleman, Nover, and Hague cut. Shock and awe.

Surprised that Trigg and Bucholtz survived.

As for March/April, man I couldn't choose 111 or 112, they are both awesome cards. Really awesome.

 

[WrikaWrek]

Dan Henderson got schooled by Anderson Silva before, i want to see a new challenge, Dan isn't enough.

Dude says he could beat fedor, Dan is crazy.

 

[Sinatar]

Looks like I spoke too soon on Trigg, he got cut as well.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Looks like I spoke too soon on Trigg, he got cut as well.

Good move.

 

[EviLore]

Sherdog member exhaustively researched top 10 wins at the time of each fight, based on official rankings. Interesting results and props to him for making the list:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/no...-lidd-ell-hughes-rua-most-top10-wins-1147572/

the list is based on official rankings back to the year of 1999.
the research took me a lot of time. i just wanted to know which current fighter had the most quality wins, it's not about who is the best p4p or whatever.

a top 10 win counts only when you fight him at his weight on which he is ranked. it doesn't count when a LHW top 10 fighter weighing 200lbs and fights a guy which have 205lbs+

example: fedor defeated lindland/sobral (ranked mw/lhw). it doesn't count because they fought fedor at hw. if fedor would have fought them at their own weight, i would count it.

anderson's ww wins count because he fought them at their own weight.


1. Winner: Big Nog and Fedor 12 top 10 wins
2. Anderson and Hughes11 top 10 wins
3. GSP, Penn and Liddell10 top 10 wins
4. Couture 9 top 10 wins
5. Shogun and Crocop 7 top 10 wins



Anderson, Big Nog, Fedor, GSP, Penn, Couture, Shogun, Liddell, Hughes

from 1-now.

Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira

1. Valentijn Overeem (second fight) (HW)
2. Mark Coleman (HW)
3. Heath Herring (HW)
4. Semmy Schilt ("super"HW)
5. Ricco Rodriguez (HW)
6. Mirko Filipović (HW)
7. Heath Herring (HW)
8. Sergei Kharitonov (HW)
9. Fabricio Werdum (HW)
10. Josh Barnett (HW)
11. Tim Sylvia ("super"HW)
12. Randy Couture (HW)

Fedor Emelianenko

1. Semmy Schilt ("super"HW)
2. Heath Herring (HW)
3. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (HW)
4. Kazuyuki Fujita (HW)
5. Mark Coleman (first fight) (HW)
6. Kevin Randleman (HW)
7. Antônio Rodrigo Nogueira (HW)
8. Mirko Filipovic (HW)
9. Mark Hunt ("super"HW)
10. Tim Sylvia ("super"HW)
11. Andrei Arlovski (HW)
12. Brett Rogers ("super"HW)

Matt Hughes

1. Carlos Newton (WW)
2. Hayato Sakurai (WW)
3. Carlos Newton (WW)
4. Gil Castillo (WW)
5. Sean Sherk (WW)
6. Frank Trigg (WW)
7. Renato Verissimo (WW)
8. Georges St-Pierre (WW)
9. Frank Trigg (WW)
10. B.J. Penn (WW)
11. Matt Serra (WW)

Anderson Silva

1. Tetsuji Kato (WW)
2. Hayato Sakurai (WW)
3. Carlos Newton (WW)
4. Jeremy Horn (MW)
5. Lee Murray (MW)
6. Rich Franklin (MW)
7. Nate Marquardt (MW)
8. Rich Franklin (MW)
9. Dan Henderson (MW)
10. Thales Leites (MW)
11. Forrest Griffin (LHW)

George St. Pierre

1. Pete Spratt (WW)
2. Frank Trigg (WW)
3. Sean Sherk (WW)
4. B.J. Penn (WW)
5. Matt Hughes (WW)
6. Josh Koscheck (WW)
7. Matt Hughes (WW)
8. Matt Serra (WW)
9. Jon Fitch (WW)
10. Thiago Alves (WW)

B.J. Penn

1. Din Thomas
2. Caol Uno
3. Matt Serra
4. Takanori Gomi
5. Matt Hughes
6. Duane Ludwig
7. Joe Stevenson
8. Sean Sherk
9. Kenny Florian
10. Diego Sanchez

Chuck Liddell

1. Kevin Randleman (LHW)
2. Guy Mezger (LHW)
3. Vitor Belfort (LHW)
4. Alistair Overeem (LHW)
5. Tito Ortiz (LHW)
6. Randy Couture (LHW)
7. Randy Couture (LHW)
8. Renato Sobral (LHW)
9. Tito Ortiz (LHW)
10. Wanderlei Silva (LHW)

Randy Couture

1. Jeremy Horn (LHW)
2. Kevin Randleman (HW)
3. Pedro Rizzo (HW)
4. Pedro Rizzo (HW)
5. Cuck Liddell (LHW)
6. Tito Ortiz (LHW)
7. Vitor Belfort (LHW)
8. Tim Sylvia (HW)
9. Gabriel Gonzaga (HW)

Mauricio Rua

1. Quinton Jackson (LHW)
2. Little Nog (LHW)
3. Alistair Overeem (LHW)
4. Ricardo Arona (LHW)
5. Kazuhiro Nakamura (LHW)
6. Alistair Overeem (LHW)
7. Chuck Liddell (LHW)

Mirko Filipovic

1. Kazuyuki Fujita
2. Kazuyuki Fujita
3. Heath Herring
4. Igor Vovchanchyn
5. Josh Barnett
6. Josh Barnett
7. Josh Barnett


if you have any questions, ask me. i will post the result here in order to avoid the reiteration of the same question.

-Sakuraba and Wanderlei were ranked when Crocop defeated them, but not at HW

-Chuck Liddell was ranked vs Shogun
MMA News Written by Josh Gross from Sports Illustrated
Monday, 23 March 2009
6. Chuck Liddell (U.S.)

-Karo and Miller were not ranked against GSP.

November 2004
1. Anderson Silva
2. Jeremy Horn
3. Evan Tanner
4. Matt Lindland
5. David Terrell
6. Rich Franklin
7. Joe Riggs
8. Nathan Marquardt
9. Lee Murray
9. Amar Suloev
Middle 2003
1) Dan Henderson
2) Murilo Bustamante
3) Jeremy Horn
4) Matt Lindland
5) Ricardo Almeida
6) Nathan Marquardt
7) Anderson Silva
8) Kazushi Sakuraba
9) Evan Tanner
10) Paulo Filho
May 2004
1. Matt Lindland
2. Jeremy Horn
3. Evan Tanner
4. Ricardo Almeida
5. Phil Baroni
6. Anderson Silva
7. Amar Suloev
8. Nathan Marquardt
9. Lee Murray
10. Joe Doerksen

Karo was ranked the first time after defeating carter (WEC champion) and nick diaz. miller was ranked after defeating Falaniko Vitale, which was a good fighter that time.

-Babalu and Lindland were ranked, but at MW and LHW, they fought fedor at HW

-Arona was not ranked

-Penn was only the first time a ranked WW


-Schilt was 8-10 and Hunt top 5, both were ranked when fedor fought them
June 2002
1. Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira
2. Josh Barnett
3. Heath Herring
4. Randy Couture
5. Pedro Rizzo
6. Mark Coleman
7. Ricco Rodriguez
8. Igor Vovchanchyn
9. Mario Sperry
10.Semmy Schilt
Official BloodyKnux.Com MMA Top Ten Rankings?: March 2006 - BloodyKnux.com

1. Fedor Emelianenko (Russia/Red Devil Sport Club) - 350, 35 First Place Votes
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira (Brazil/Brazilian Top Team) - 301 Points
3. Andrei Arlovski (Belarus/Pitbull Team) - 279 Points
4. Mark Hunt (New Zealand/Oceania Super Fighters Club) - 212 Points
5. Mirko Filipovic (Croatia/Cro Cop Squad Gym) - 185 Points
6. Tim Sylvia (USA/Team Extreme) - 176 Points
7. Alistair Overeem (Holland/Golden Glory) - 166 points
8. Sergey Kharitonov (Russia/Russian Top Team) - 114 Points
9. Aleksander Emelianenko (Russia/Red Devil Sport Club) - 68 Points
10. Fabricio Werdum (Brazil/Cro Cop Squad Gym) - 41 Points

hunt was still ranked after fedor defeated him
2007 January Mixed Martial Arts World MMA Rankings

Heavyweight Top Ten for January, 2007:
1.. Fedor Emelianenko
2.. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3.. Mirko “CroCop” Filipovic
4.. Josh Barnett
5.. Fabrico Werdum
6.. Andrei Arlovoski
7.. Tim Sylvia
8.. Aleksander Emelianenko
9.. Mark Hunt
10. Sergei Kharitonov

 

[polyh3dron]

I want to order a PPV in March or April, which card would be overall best?

UFC 111 without question.

GSP v Hardy
Mir v Carwin

in the span of 10 days there will be 3 UFC events, 2 good free ones and this PPV. At the same time as the strikeforce event on CBS in April there is a WEC PPV event with Aldo vs Faber but I'd rather see Fedor, Hendo and Mousasi throw down for free myself.

 

[Asbel]

Sherdog member exhaustively researched top 10 wins at the time of each fight, based on official rankings. Interesting results and props to him for making the list:

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/f2/no...-lidd-ell-hughes-rua-most-top10-wins-1147572/

nice list. so he's just using any site's top ten? what makes a ranking official? i don't really want to go to sherdog forums.

 

[EviLore]

nice list. so he's just using any site's top ten? what makes a ranking official? i don't really want to go to sherdog forums.

Right, the notion of anything being "official" just because some website/editor comes up with it is tenuous, but usually reflects accepted opinions in the mma world at the time. So, not the definitive 10 best fighters at any given time, just the perceived value of each win at the time it took place, for better perspective on a fighter's career when it can be difficult to judge the quality of an opponent 5 years ago based on current circumstances.

 

[SnakeXs]

Kampann's out of UFC 111. With good reason. Not since Ken Shamrock's completely legitimate gash have I seen a training related cut this bad.

http://www.cagepotato.com/axe-wound-day-kampmann-out-ufc-111-monster-gash-ellenberger-replace

 

[EraldoCoil]

supposedly sites are reporting that vitor/Anderson is off.

http://www.tatame.com/2010/02/11/Belfort-possibly-injured-title-fight-canceled

will wait for official announcement to be safe.

If true, bring on Sonnen (R)!

 

[parrotbeak]

supposedly sites are reporting that vitor/Anderson is off.

http://www.tatame.com/2010/02/11/Belfort-possibly-injured-title-fight-cancelled

will wait for official announcement to be safe.

If true, bring on Sonnen (R)!

Boo: http://www.watchkalibrun.com/2010/2/11/1306603/breaking-vitor-belfort-off-of-ufc

More speculation on replacement on Josh Gross' twitter: http://twitter.com/Si_joshgross

 

[polyh3dron]

supposedly sites are reporting that vitor/Anderson is off.

http://www.tatame.com/2010/02/11/Belfort-possibly-injured-title-fight-canceled

will wait for official announcement to be safe.

If true, bring on Sonnen (R)!

No dice, Chael is on medical suspension until May.

The only real option is to have Anderson fight Chael in Montreal and move the Machida/Shogun fight to Abu Dhabi.

 

[Musashi Wins!]

Man, here we go again. I wanted the Brazilian bloodletting.

Great, shoulder surgery and Sonnen is all cut up. All the other dudes have been exposed. This sucks.

 

[EviLore]

Terrible news, was one of my most anticipated fights.

 

[EraldoCoil]

Shoulda never let Hendo go...

Marquardt and Him both get skipped for Vitor, only for him to get injured...

 

[SnakeXs]

No dice, Chael is on medical suspension until May.

The only real option is to have Anderson fight Chael in Montreal and move the Machida/Shogun fight to Abu Dhabi.

There goes any possibility of me making my way up to Montreal with my Torontonian cousin. I pray it doesn't happen.

 

[polyh3dron]

They could always release Sexyama from whatever the dungeon is that they're keeping him in...

 

[AstroLad]

 

[Bishman]

Sigh... I was looking forward to this match up.

 

[BigJonsson]

motherfucker

 

[polyh3dron]

Hmm how about Okami...

 

[Bishman]

Hmm how about Okami...

He just lost to Chael Sonnen. And he is fighting on the next fight night headlined by Ken-Flo vs Gomi.

 

[EviLore]

Okami just lost to Sonnen
Sonnen just lost to Maia
Maia just lost to Marquardt
Marquardt just lost to Sonnen

Leaving Sonnen as the best MW option. Sonnen's medical suspension is until March, not May, so he's a likely candidate if he thinks he can be ready in time.

 

[Eggo]

Doesn't look good for finding a replacement. Who's out there?

Thiago Silva at 205? He has a bad back and comes off a questionable showing.

James Toney? Too much risk of Silva getting knocked out and MMA looking inferior to boxing.

Okami? Came off a loss

Maia? Not medically cleared.

Sonnen? 1 month to train after medical clearance is awfully short for a title fight. Also, Anderson would have short notice to prepare for a wrestler, which is a classic weakness in his game. Doesn't seem fair to either side.

 

[polyh3dron]

Every worthy MW who isn't Sonnen just lost to someone except for Akiyama.

I forgot about Okami being in the upcoming UFN though. Hope his fight gets televised, lol

 

[alr1ght]

Kampann's out of UFC 111. With good reason. Not since Ken Shamrock's completely legitimate gash have I seen a training related cut this bad.

http://www.cagepotato.com/axe-wound-day-kampmann-out-ufc-111-monster-gash-ellenberger-replace

i said goddamn.

 

[dem]

Belfort OUT????


FUCK




I wanted to see that fight so bad



Thats what you get for not signing DAN FUCKING HENDERSON

 

[dem]

No dice, Chael is on medical suspension until May.

The only real option is to have Anderson fight Chael in Montreal and move the Machida/Shogun fight to Abu Dhabi.

Chael Sonnen: Suspended until March 24 with no contact until March 9 due to forehead and nasal-bridge lacerations


I think he has already said he will take the fight..

 

[BigJonsson]

Chael Sonnen: Suspended until March 24 with no contact until March 9 due to forehead and nasal-bridge lacerations


He has already said he will take the fight..

If hes ok with only having a few weeks to train...........but based on what he has said before, he might be crazy enough to do it

 

[Slappy967]

Would love to see it be Sonnen especially after the Frank Mir-esque amount of smacktalk he has been unleashing as of late. As it stands now they really don't have many good options to replace Vitor.

 

[Sinatar]

Also keep in mind that supsensions are till that date OR till cleared by a doctor.

 

[Asbel]

Sonnen can strength and condition train while suspended. He'll also have an excuse for losing.

 

[Messi]

Would love to see it be Sonnen especially after the Frank Mir-esque amount of smacktalk he has been unleashing as of late. As it stands now they really don't have many good options to replace Vitor.

I'd love to see silva lebenize sonnen for the amount of smack he has been talking recently.

 

[polyh3dron]

 

[Rafa=FedKilla]

That's a perfect comparison. :lol

 

[Messi]

This is so very true. :lol

 

[Bishman]

 

[dem]

THANK YOU

I knew i read that today.. and i was racking my brain trying to remember where i heard it.

 

[Messi]

So, I hope I am not the only one who thinks silva will eat sonnen alive?

 

[polyh3dron]

FUCK yes.

I can see Soares putting up a stink though.

So, I hope I am not the only one who thinks silva will eat sonnen alive?

In a 3 rounder I could see Chael winning, but in a 5 rounder, no way. Anderson will destroy him.

 

[EviLore]

So, I hope I am not the only one who thinks silva will eat sonnen alive?

Sonnen is a grinder with a very low finishing percentage. Great takedowns, NCAA D1 champ and all that, but not the strongest standup or sub defense.

So his intention will pretty much be to hold Anderson down for five rounds and GnP. Do I see that happening? Not really. Anderson's not going to do something stupid like throw a SIDE KICK after having been repeatedly taken down, like Marquardt did. He'll pick him apart from the outside any time Sonnen tries to step in. Takedown successes are possible, but Anderson should be able to ride it out and lock him down well or threaten from the guard, get the fight stood up again and improve his elusiveness afterwards.

Anderson via TKO. Vitor was a more interesting stylistic matchup, but Anderson has shown some weakness with wrestlers in the past, so interesting things could still happen.

 

[Asbel]

Sonnen is a grinder with a very low finishing percentage. Great takedowns, NCAA D1 champ and all that, but not the strongest standup or sub defense.

So his intention will pretty much be to hold Anderson down for five rounds and GnP. Do I see that happening? Not really. Anderson's not going to do something stupid like throw a SIDE KICK after having been repeatedly taken down, like Marquardt did. He'll pick him apart from the outside any time Sonnen tries to step in. Takedown successes are possible, but Anderson should be able to ride it out and lock him down well or threaten from the guard, get the fight stood up again and improve his elusiveness afterwards.

Anderson via TKO. Vitor was a more interesting stylistic matchup, but Anderson has shown some weakness with wrestlers in the past, so interesting things could still happen.

you are giving me flashbacks of the boring lietes fight

 

[Messi]

Sonnen is a grinder with a very low finishing percentage. Great takedowns, NCAA D1 champ and all that, but not the strongest standup or sub defense.

So his intention will pretty much be to hold Anderson down for five rounds and GnP. Do I see that happening? Not really. Anderson's not going to do something stupid like throw a SIDE KICK after having been repeatedly taken down, like Marquardt did. He'll pick him apart from the outside any time Sonnen tries to step in. Takedown successes are possible, but Anderson should be able to ride it out and lock him down well or threaten from the guard, get the fight stood up again and improve his elusiveness afterwards.

Anderson via TKO. Vitor was a more interesting stylistic matchup, but Anderson has shown some weakness with wrestlers in the past, so interesting things could still happen.

When is the last time anderson has been really tested?

 

[Sinatar]

you are giving me flashbacks of the boring lietes fight

Chael isn't going to flop around the ring trying to pull guard, he'll be shooting for takedowns.

 

[Rur0ni]

This is friggin' lame. Always something screwing up a fight.

Guess we'll know more soon.

 

[EviLore]

Nah, I don't really expect Leites redux. Leites was scared to step in and quick to flop over into buttscoot. Sonnen will know he has to be aggressive and push the pace to find his takedowns, that hanging back and "waiting for the right moment" isn't going to get him anywhere. Being passive isn't his style, anyway.

Last time Anderson's been tested? Hendo and Lutter gave him good fights, but looking good on their parts was short-lived.

 

[Messi]

Nah, I don't really expect Leites redux. Leites was scared to step in and quick to flop over into buttscoot. Sonnen will know he has to be aggressive and push the pace to find his takedowns, that hanging back and "waiting for the right moment" isn't going to get him anywhere. Being passive isn't his style, anyway.

Last time Anderson's been tested? Hendo and Lutter gave him good fights, but looking good on their parts was short-lived.

What exactly went wrong for forrest in his fight with silva. Did he just totally under estimate silvas abilitys at 205? I remember watching that fight with a few friends and being totally shocked at how shoddy forrest looked running after silva, and silva essentially becoming neo for a few mins.

Silva is just a different kind of animal in the octagon.

 

[Fifty]

Underestimating is not the same as being much worse than. He just got schooled.