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Although it is a whole separate set of venue ticket and ppv sales to milk without appearing to saturate either 'organization'. I agree though, I wanna see it integrated into UFC. Also, woot to the Leonard Garcia fight being free on Spike that night. :D
 
Musashi Wins! said:
That should be a good fight. Is it cheaper than a normal PPV? I noticed it's been branded almost entirely as a UFC event, along with Rogan and Goldturd doing the commentary.
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is this true? i had not heard that.

its normal ppv cost, 45 for sd. as for why wec is its own thing, i doubt its anything legal, i think they just want seperate products where the wec will be 125-155 (once 125 gets going, of course) and ufc is everything else. just to keep the products simple and all. if this ppv is a total flop, though, i could forsee something occuring to combine the two products. and i really am not sure how the sales for this ppv will go... i am pretty nervous to be honest.

but considering that my dumb ass spend 55 buying that shitty paq fight, i have no excuse not to buy this card.
 
that's a really silly strategy if that's the case. as every mma commentator ever has said, ufc name is killing wec more than everything. to casuals not ufc=not worthwhile mma. and ufc has completely failed to change that perception with WEC if recent ratings are indication
 
After a night of tears I have come to the conclusion that Aoki would beat Melendez in a rematch over in Dream. Solely for the reason that Aoki would have the ring instead of the cage and for the fact that he would be able to wear his submission pants. Aoki takes the rematch and rubber match just like he did against Hansen. Then he'll finally be ranked #1 LW in the world.
 
He might be a dick when he breaks your arm, but he's a gracious loser:

"The difference between fighting in the cage and the ring was negligible, and Melendez was just plain good. Fighting in the cage for the first time, I felt comfortable in the new setting and had a blast. I am just grateful that I got to step into the cage."

"Right now, I am in no position of asking for a (DREAM) rematch and I think it's best that I strive to raise the value of 'Shinya Aoki' so that Melendez can say, 'I do not mind fighting Aoki once again' on his accord. As things stand right now, I would cringe if I said, 'I want to fight him again."

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/18/1429857/shinya-aoki-talks-about-his-loss
 
Musashi Wins! said:
He might be a dick when he breaks your arm, but he's a gracious loser:

"The difference between fighting in the cage and the ring was negligible, and Melendez was just plain good. Fighting in the cage for the first time, I felt comfortable in the new setting and had a blast. I am just grateful that I got to step into the cage."

"Right now, I am in no position of asking for a (DREAM) rematch and I think it's best that I strive to raise the value of 'Shinya Aoki' so that Melendez can say, 'I do not mind fighting Aoki once again' on his accord. As things stand right now, I would cringe if I said, 'I want to fight him again."

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/18/1429857/shinya-aoki-talks-about-his-loss
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WAR AOKI
 
I have no idea who Gil fights next. Maybe five more rounds of wild swinging with Thomson?

One thing I am looking forward to is DREAM 14

Announced Matchups
Nick Diaz vs. Hayato Sakurai
Possible Participants
Light Heavyweight Grand Prix Participants
Renato Sobral
King Mo Lawal
Gegard Mousasi
Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou
Christian M'Pumbu
Tatsuya Mizuno

Others
Marius Žaromskis
Joachim Hansen
Hideo Tokoro
Katsunori Kikuno
Hiroyuki Takaya

Hopefully it can make up for last night's card. And I suspect that it will.
 
Musashi Wins! said:
"Right now, I am in no position of asking for a (DREAM) rematch and I think it's best that I strive to raise the value of 'Shinya Aoki' so that Melendez can say, 'I do not mind fighting Aoki once again' on his accord. As things stand right now, I would cringe if I said, 'I want to fight him again."

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/18/1429857/shinya-aoki-talks-about-his-loss
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Translation: I don't want the scary mexican man to bounce my head around the ring again if it's all the same to you.
 
The difference between fighting in the cage and the ring was negligible, and Melendez was just plain good. Fighting in the cage for the first time, I felt comfortable in the new setting and had a blast. I am just grateful that I got to step into the cage.
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Bullshit. In DREAM if Gil got Aoki on the ground on the edge of the ring the ref would move them back to the center in the same position with plenty of room for Aoki to do his submission magic. In Strikeforce his head was pushed against the cage and he had no room to do shit. Gil had perfect cage control.
 
EraldoCoil said:
After a night of tears I have come to the conclusion that Aoki would beat Melendez in a rematch over in Dream. Solely for the reason that Aoki would have the ring instead of the cage and for the fact that he would be able to wear his submission pants. Aoki takes the rematch and rubber match just like he did against Hansen. Then he'll finally be ranked #1 LW in the world.
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You forgot to mention he'd also get "better" treatment from the referee and judges. Japan protects its stars like no one else does.
 
NinjaCodah said:
You forgot to mention he'd also get "better" treatment from the referee and judges. Japan protects its stars like no one else does.
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To be fair, Gil had all the luck with refing this fight. Not due to a slant or it being a work, however, but yeah.
 
the number one thing i garnered from those fights was allow elbows and kicks on the ground. gilbert dropped to a knee and hanging out around aoki's toes was stupid, mo being able to just sit with his head between gegards knees was dumb, and shields not being able to finish off hendo from mount was dumb. every fight could have benefited from elbows on the ground. follow the unified rules.

as to the cage / ring thing with aoki, jbreen pointed out on the after the bell show that the ring would certainly work to his advantage and his game in the ring was generally to clinch with a fighter into a corner, pull guard to where they cant escape and work from there. there is no corners in the right and being able to plant your foot into the ledge between the cage and the ring is a pain in the ass if you are working for that takedown. i am not saying aoki would have won in ring, i think the result would have been exactly the same, but the fight certainly would have been somewhat different.

also, there is a difference between buttscooting towards an opponent and flopping to your back. if a guy flops to his back, stand him up. if he is buttscooting a guy towards the cage, dont stand him up. end of story.
 
mrbagdt said:
also, there is a difference between buttscooting towards an opponent and flopping to your back. if a guy flops to his back, stand him up. if he is buttscooting a guy towards the cage, dont stand him up. end of story.
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That was so annoying. I honestly think Yamasaki saw some video and thought a-ha! not gonna let him do that. Never mind that Gil was willing to engage. If Gil steps back gets away and says get up then stop them. Not while Gil is attacking. We may have actually gotten a finish to the fight had he not done that. Between that and Lawal being allowed to lay and catch his breath for minutes at a time not a great night for reffing IMO. Not a horrendous one either but the sooner this event is forgotten the better.
 
Flash forward to NOW, where a few days after one of the greatest MMA cards ever – JAKE SHIELDS v. DAN HENDERSON – a nation full of MMA fans, pundits and prognosticators are drinking the kool aid and wringing their hands like a coffee klatch of house Negroes all concerned about how MMA "looks" to the rest of America. Websites, this one included, like grandmothers, are talking about "the black eye" the sports been given and about how execrable [look it up] the post-fight fight wherein Team Cesar Gracie taught Jason MAYHEM Miller a lesson in deportment was.

Well I am here to call bullshit on that.

The past 365 days have seen one of football's premier quarterbacks arrested for raping drunk chicks in bathrooms. Er, allegedly. High school football players paralyzed, some brain damaged. Numerous drug busts. And within hours of penning this article a world champion boxer has just committed suicide after murdering his wife. And not a whimper about "black eyes" or these sports "looking bad." There are also basebrawls, basketbrawls and hockey fights a'plenty. Yeah: crickets, in terms of public outcry.

I submit that MMA nowadays is so tender that the sensitive susans who are worried about CBS [admittedly the most conservative of networks out there…and coincidentally smarting over it] and the sport suffering because, imagine this, fighters got into a fight at a fight…a fight brought about by a man named MAYHEM…well, the ladies protesteth too much.

There is a tragedy here: Shields gutsy underdog win over a much-hyped [deservedly], Dan Henderson put to bed the stinky and lingering knock against Shields that he fights boring fights. It was a rollercoaster model of intensity with buckets of intestinal fortitude, toughness and more never-say-die-tude than many have witnessed for awhile. And an even greater tragedy here would be the seeming low viewer numbers CBS managed to swing this fight's way [which incidentally had little or nothing to do with the brawl]. Or the ways the community has been stumbling over itself to partake in this weirdly American ritual of the apology. THESE are tragedies. But Nick and Nate Diaz, Gil Melendez and Jake Shields reacting like we ALL would have reacted to Miller's possibly misplaced show of "what about me"-ism, is not one of them.

Sure, CBS might drop MMA. But it's got nothing to do with a little bit of chaos in the cage. The reality is America's lingering uncomfortability with MMA has everything to do with the honesty with which MMA addresses the most human of all human endeavors: the management of conflict. MMA is the most honest sport in America today. Nick and Nate Diaz, like them or hate them, are some of the most honest among the honest. And Jake Shields comported himself like a gentleman and a scholar. In a sport that's not a sissy sport.

So my advice to all involved: fine no one. Ban no one. Get them all in the cage on an upcoming card [Miller's objective after all], and stop the trembling and tearful knee-knocking concerns about America's take on MMA.

Or…start following tennis. I hear they're looking to expand their fan base.
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http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/19/1430844/waaa-hhhhh-the-decline-of-balls-in
 
polyh3dron said:
Bullshit. In DREAM if Gil got Aoki on the ground on the edge of the ring the ref would move them back to the center in the same position with plenty of room for Aoki to do his submission magic. In Strikeforce his head was pushed against the cage and he had no room to do shit. Gil had perfect cage control.
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So you're saying the "submission master," needs help to get a sub against a purple belt. The cage didn't stop Aoki from going for a clinch and flying sub nor did the cage make him eat GnP that that scared him out of taking risk. He got out grappled. Being in a ring wouldn't have changed anything.

Melendez is good, but he isn't that good. The top guys in the UFC would beat him.
 
I do buy that Gil was using the cage smartly though to prevent any chance at a sub while GNPing. I still can't believe Aoki didn't get TKO'd that fight.
 
Never knew this:
"You never should gamble on fights,” White said. “They bet on (Melvin) Manhoef, (that he would beat Robbie) Lawler. Lawler was very unhappy and they wanted to get rid of him, but it backfired because he knocked Manhoef out. Then they treated Shields like (expletive), let his contract expire and they put all their money on Dan Henderson. “Now, Shields destroys Henderson and look where they’re at. That’s not how you do business.”
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And I thought I was annoyed by Lawler's lucky-ass blind punch. :lol
 
Main Card: UFC 115
Lyoto Machida (16-0) -200 vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-4) +160
Josh Koscheck (14-4) -300 vs. Paul Daley (23-8-2) +220
Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (4-1) -120 vs. Matt Mitrione (1-0) +105
Sam Stout (15-5-1) -220 vs. Jeremy Stephens (16-5) +180
Alan Belcher (15-6) -135 vs. Patrick Cote (13-5) +105
 
Musashi Wins! said:
Main Card: UFC 115
Lyoto Machida (16-0) -200 vs. Mauricio "Shogun" Rua (18-4) +160
Josh Koscheck (14-4) -300 vs. Paul Daley (23-8-2) +220
Kevin "Kimbo Slice" Ferguson (4-1) -120 vs. Matt Mitrione (1-0) +105
Sam Stout (15-5-1) -220 vs. Jeremy Stephens (16-5) +180
Alan Belcher (15-6) -135 vs. Patrick Cote (13-5) +105
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machida fight should be closer. and WTF belcher?!?
 
Sinatar said:
Cote hasn't fought in almost 2 years, ring rust is a motherfucker.
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i agree, but to go from a title fight to belcher and be the underdog? belcher is coming off a win over a lackluster gouveira... i dunno, we shall see. that ring rust could prove to be a big problem, but i feel like the whole thing is a good match up for cote.
 
BigKaboom2 said:
Belcher destroyed Gouveia and I scored the Akiyama fight in his favor. I'm all over that bandwagon. War cage-assisted superman punches.
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Yeah I thought he won the Akiyama fight too. That fight was horrible though. One of those where you wouldn't mind if both guys lost.
 
K-1 was offering me $187,500 per fight - five times what the UFC was offering - and I was still willing to stay with them for one-third of that amount. This was when the relationship took a turn for the worse, and my view of White changed drastically. From that point on, I knew when it came to money, we couldn't trust him to treat us right. Did I like him at the dinner table? Sure. But at the negotiating table? Not at all. The pressure to perform and safeguard other people's money had changed him, even though he was constantly bragging to anyone willing to listen about how 'big this thing was going to be.' Things between us would never be the same.

When it was finally official I was going to fight in Japan, White called me up and told me his true feelings. 'You motherfucker! You're fucking done! You'll never fight in the UFC again! You're finished. You're scorched earth, motherfucker. Scorched earth. Don't call me crying saying you want to come back because you're fucking done!' And on and on and on, like a true professional - even going so far as to tell me I would never see my face again in a UFC video, promotion, or anything else. He also planned on removing my fight with Hughes from the UFC 46 DVD so no one would even know who I was. 'It doesn't have to be this way,' I told him. 'You know it wouldn't take that much to make this work.' But he just kept yelling
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Excerpt from BJ Penns book: http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/4/20/1433195/quote-of-the-day-bj-penn-tells-an
 
Don't know if it's been posted or not but here is Anderson and Demian in a Brazilian show the week after the fight. Nothing really interesting except that Anderson shows absolutely no regret or remorse. I had already watched it so I don't know whether or not the subtitles are 100% correct so I'll just assume they are:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXmrkpAkFP0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sA2jv71N2gw&feature=player_embedded

Backstage - no subtitles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SUjhr_PJTp4&feature=player_embedded
 
My cousin, Anthony Njokuani will be on the main card of Aldo vs Faber!

He should be next in line for a title shot after he wins.
 
White went nuts in an interview and said Penn didn't write the book, he has no idea what's in it.

Dana's very trustworthy, so I go with his account.

Bishman said:
My cousin, Anthony Njokuani will be on the main card of Aldo vs Faber!

He should be next in line for a title shot after he wins.
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Wow, supercool. I'll root for him.
 
ImperialConquest said:
How much do headliners (A. Silva, G St.P, Lesnar, etc) make in UFC these days?
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Hard to say. In many jurisdictions, the fight purse is disclosed. At UFC 100, Lesnar was disclosed as having a purse of 400k, as well as GSP getting 400k as well. Anderson hasn't fought in a jurisdiction that discloses pay since July 2008, and he made 200k for that fight.

However, the big stars also get PPV bonuses, and it's only speculation what that nets them. Rumour was that GSP and Lesnar made between $3 and $5 million for UFC 100. Anderson probably makes a bit less than those two.
 
ImperialConquest said:
How much do headliners (A. Silva, G St.P, Lesnar, etc) make in UFC these days?
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It depends on the PPV buys. All the top fighters get paid by the amount of PPV sells. That is why big name like Anderson Silva always wants to pair up with BJ Penn - more PPV buys = more $$.

This is the pay scale (it was revealed during the Randy vs UFC law suit):

-100,000 - 175,000 buys - $1 per buy

-175,000 - 300,000 buys - $1.50 per buy

-300,000 - 330,000 buys - $2 per buy

-330,000 - plus buys - $3 per buy​

Brock, Mir, and GSP all made over $4 million at UFC 100. UFC 100 did 1.7 million buys.

UFC 100: Brock vs Mir / GSP vs Alves

* Brock Lesnar ($400,000 to show) vs. Frank Mir ($45,000 to show, $45,000 to win)
* Georges St-Pierre ($200,000 to show, $200,000 to win) vs. Thiago Alves ($60,000 to show, $60,000 to win)
* Michael Bisping ($150,000 to show, $100,000 to win) vs. Dan Henderson ($100,000 to show, $150,000 to win)
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UFC 111: GSP vs Hardy did over 750K PPV buys. So this means that GSP gets an extra $2.2 million + his actually salary which is around 400K - 500K.
 
Bishman said:
It depends on the PPV buys. All the top fighters get paid by the amount of PPV sells. That is why big name like Anderson Silva always wants to pair up with BJ Penn - more PPV buys = more $$.

This is the pay scale (it was revealed during the Randy vs UFC law suit):

-100,000 - 175,000 buys - $1 per buy

-175,000 - 300,000 buys - $1.50 per buy

-300,000 - 330,000 buys - $2 per buy

-330,000 - plus buys - $3 per buy​

Brock, Mir, and GSP all made over $4 million at UFC 100. UFC 100 did 1.7 million buys.

UFC 100: Brock vs Mir / GSP vs Alves



UFC 111: GSP vs Hardy did over 750K PPV buys. So this means that GSP gets an extra $2.2 million + his actually salary which is around 400K - 500K.
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The problem is you're assuming that all fighters that get ppv cuts get the same deal Couture did which is doubtful.
 
BamYouHaveAids said:
The problem is you're assuming that all fighters that get ppv cuts get the same deal Couture did which is doubtful.
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It is around that range. All the fighters that got PPV cuts made the amounts using that PPV scale.

Shine Fights 3: Ricardo Mayorga vs. Din Thomas Set for May 15

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Here is video of press conference: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qn33zm4X0Y&feature=player_embedded
 
mrbagdt said:
i agree, but to go from a title fight to belcher and be the underdog? belcher is coming off a win over a lackluster gouveira... i dunno, we shall see. that ring rust could prove to be a big problem, but i feel like the whole thing is a good match up for cote.
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Its not just a long layoff. Its knee reconstruction. Every fighter coming back from that kind of surgery looks like dog shit their first fight back. Most of the guys on TUF this season could probably beat Cote at this point.
 
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