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Holy shit, both lawyers have 30 minute opening statements. This could take all afternoon.
The state's case is Chael either failed to disclose a preexisting medical condition or that he had been receiving testosterone treatment for it twice a week. Prior to the pre-fight test, Chael finally disclosed that he received an injection of testosterone the day before. A drug test then confirmed that Chael's system contained testosterone that was not created by his own body. I'm not clear on whether this was prior to or after the fight.
Now they're swearing in the state's first witness whose background and area of expertise are so far too inaudible for me to figure out.
god why am I doing a pbp of this.
Okay, I think he's the CSAC's executive director.
They're citing Sonnen vs Okami from nearly a year earlier as an example of where Chael did not disclose his condition that required testosterone replacement therapy. I'm not positive but I think this might be the same condition Hendo receives HRT for.
LOL. A closeup of Chael where he looks guilty enough to prejudice any jury.
Rebuttal period...
Chael's lawyer is harping on the fact that the current director of the CSAC has no records of Chael disclosing his condition prior to the Okami fight but there's a possibility that these records could have existed and were misplaced or destroyed during the transition from Garcia to Dodd. And that's about it for the cross-examination. The state is now calling a doctor as their second witness.
They're just going over the process of the pre-fight medical where Chael disclosed the testosterone therapy he was taking. I am so bored. The point they're trying to get at is they didn't have enough information to disqualify Chael before the fight took place (which I'm guessing is going to be a key part of the defense's argument). Onto Chael's lawyer's rebuttal. He looks a lot like Newt Gingrich. This is getting fun. The defense is asking the doctor if he specifically asked Chael if he was using any "hormone, or hormone replacement therapy, or steroids." The doctor admits that he did not -- he just asked Chael if he was using any "prescription medication."
That's it for the state's case. The crux of it is Chael didn't go through the proper channels to clear his testosterone shot. Now they're going over the exhibits so here's a picture of Chael looking uncomfortably vulnerable because this is more boring than a Cole Konrad fight.
One of the exhibits is titled "The Declaration of Chael Sonnen." What a great, great man. Here's the defense with his opening statement.
Lol, another exhibit is a medical journal titled "Steroids."
Summarizing the opening statement...There is no denial or dispute of Chael taking testosterone. He was first put on HRT in 2008 by his doctor. The therapy brings Chael's testosterone levels up to the range of a healthy male of his age. Because of that it does not give Chael a competitive advantage in MMA. Prior to Chael's first fight after being prescribed HRT (against Bryan Baker in 2008), Lindland forwarded the documentation to the NSAC and Nevada told him that Chael would not need to disclose it since his hormone levels wouldn't be abnormal based on the type of treatment he was getting. The defense also claims that Chael DID disclose this to the CSAC prior to the fight with Okami. Chael also personally disclosed it to the CSAC director prior to the Silva fight. Director Dodd did not tell Chael that it would be a problem. If Dodd had indicated to Chael that this would result in a suspension or fine, he would have withdrawn from the fight. He's asking that the suspension be lifted or shorten it to time served and reevaluate how testosterone therapy is handled during the license application period.
CHAEL IS TESTIFYING NOW!
This is getting complicated now. I think Chael is using chain of command as a point of contention.
Chael also claims he never went through puberty.
He's also being told to "speak more respectfully" by the lady heading this kangaroo court.
Nothing really came of Chael's testimony or the cross-examination. Now they're calling Chael's personal physician.
And goddamn, what an amazing doctor he is. He comes in looking like Bill Lumbergh, wearing a tight t-shirt, chewing gum, and talking about "gonads" every few seconds.
That's the look of a fighter watching his doctor tell the world about his tiny testicles.
Wow, the quality of this doctor's testimony is basically destroying his credibility.
"Have you ever personally or instructed anyone to forward Mr. Sonnen's medical records to the state of California?"
"Uhh...no."
"Did you administer any tests to Mr. Sonnen when he first came to see you in January of 2008 to determine whether or not his low levels of testosterone has been caused by drug use on his part?"
"You know um...I'm not uh...at such an infrequently thought of concept that I'm uh not even sure of that."
Wow, Chael's lawyer's closing argument argues that he shouldn't be suspended because he wasn't told, after disclosing his testosterone use, the procedure for backing out of the fight. This guy's good.
Chael: "He had white gloves on, came into the prefight physical area where I took my clothes off and then he touched and handled my... questionnaire."
One member of the commission is floating the idea of lifting Chael's suspension and having his license be contingent on whether his hormone levels fall within the normal range.
The state's case is Chael either failed to disclose a preexisting medical condition or that he had been receiving testosterone treatment for it twice a week. Prior to the pre-fight test, Chael finally disclosed that he received an injection of testosterone the day before. A drug test then confirmed that Chael's system contained testosterone that was not created by his own body. I'm not clear on whether this was prior to or after the fight.
Now they're swearing in the state's first witness whose background and area of expertise are so far too inaudible for me to figure out.
god why am I doing a pbp of this.
Okay, I think he's the CSAC's executive director.
They're citing Sonnen vs Okami from nearly a year earlier as an example of where Chael did not disclose his condition that required testosterone replacement therapy. I'm not positive but I think this might be the same condition Hendo receives HRT for.
LOL. A closeup of Chael where he looks guilty enough to prejudice any jury.
Rebuttal period...
Chael's lawyer is harping on the fact that the current director of the CSAC has no records of Chael disclosing his condition prior to the Okami fight but there's a possibility that these records could have existed and were misplaced or destroyed during the transition from Garcia to Dodd. And that's about it for the cross-examination. The state is now calling a doctor as their second witness.
They're just going over the process of the pre-fight medical where Chael disclosed the testosterone therapy he was taking. I am so bored. The point they're trying to get at is they didn't have enough information to disqualify Chael before the fight took place (which I'm guessing is going to be a key part of the defense's argument). Onto Chael's lawyer's rebuttal. He looks a lot like Newt Gingrich. This is getting fun. The defense is asking the doctor if he specifically asked Chael if he was using any "hormone, or hormone replacement therapy, or steroids." The doctor admits that he did not -- he just asked Chael if he was using any "prescription medication."
That's it for the state's case. The crux of it is Chael didn't go through the proper channels to clear his testosterone shot. Now they're going over the exhibits so here's a picture of Chael looking uncomfortably vulnerable because this is more boring than a Cole Konrad fight.
One of the exhibits is titled "The Declaration of Chael Sonnen." What a great, great man. Here's the defense with his opening statement.
Lol, another exhibit is a medical journal titled "Steroids."
Summarizing the opening statement...There is no denial or dispute of Chael taking testosterone. He was first put on HRT in 2008 by his doctor. The therapy brings Chael's testosterone levels up to the range of a healthy male of his age. Because of that it does not give Chael a competitive advantage in MMA. Prior to Chael's first fight after being prescribed HRT (against Bryan Baker in 2008), Lindland forwarded the documentation to the NSAC and Nevada told him that Chael would not need to disclose it since his hormone levels wouldn't be abnormal based on the type of treatment he was getting. The defense also claims that Chael DID disclose this to the CSAC prior to the fight with Okami. Chael also personally disclosed it to the CSAC director prior to the Silva fight. Director Dodd did not tell Chael that it would be a problem. If Dodd had indicated to Chael that this would result in a suspension or fine, he would have withdrawn from the fight. He's asking that the suspension be lifted or shorten it to time served and reevaluate how testosterone therapy is handled during the license application period.
CHAEL IS TESTIFYING NOW!
This is getting complicated now. I think Chael is using chain of command as a point of contention.
Chael also claims he never went through puberty.
He's also being told to "speak more respectfully" by the lady heading this kangaroo court.
Nothing really came of Chael's testimony or the cross-examination. Now they're calling Chael's personal physician.
And goddamn, what an amazing doctor he is. He comes in looking like Bill Lumbergh, wearing a tight t-shirt, chewing gum, and talking about "gonads" every few seconds.
That's the look of a fighter watching his doctor tell the world about his tiny testicles.
Wow, the quality of this doctor's testimony is basically destroying his credibility.
"Have you ever personally or instructed anyone to forward Mr. Sonnen's medical records to the state of California?"
"Uhh...no."
"Did you administer any tests to Mr. Sonnen when he first came to see you in January of 2008 to determine whether or not his low levels of testosterone has been caused by drug use on his part?"
"You know um...I'm not uh...at such an infrequently thought of concept that I'm uh not even sure of that."
Wow, Chael's lawyer's closing argument argues that he shouldn't be suspended because he wasn't told, after disclosing his testosterone use, the procedure for backing out of the fight. This guy's good.
Chael: "He had white gloves on, came into the prefight physical area where I took my clothes off and then he touched and handled my... questionnaire."
One member of the commission is floating the idea of lifting Chael's suspension and having his license be contingent on whether his hormone levels fall within the normal range.
gawd damn Ubereem. Lifting 550 pounds like it's nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QITe-8bzrH4&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QITe-8bzrH4&feature=channel
gawd damn Ubereem. Lifting 550 pounds like it's nothing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QITe-8bzrH4&feature=channel
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QITe-8bzrH4&feature=channel
polyh3dron
Banned
Chael dodged a bullet, holy shit... He can fight in March.dream said:
polyh3dron
Banned
It'll be announced on Saturday, TUF 14: Team Sonnen vs. Team Bisping
Calling it now. Great timing, huh.
Calling it now. Great timing, huh.
polyh3dron
Banned
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
lol
Sonnen's disease sounds legit though.
Sonnen's disease sounds legit though.
Rafa=FedKilla
Banned
Commission should have completely done away with Sonnen's suspension, bullshit.
polyh3dron
Banned
If what Chael is saying is true, and he has been undergoing this testosterone replacement therapy since he was 9 years old, definitely. One guy on the panel wanted to do just that actually, count it on time served. It's too bad the doctor Chael brought in was a horrible speaker who was chewing gum and not giving straight answers to anything.Rafa=FedKilla said:
ItAintEasyBeinCheesy
it's 4th of July in my asshole
If you look hard you will see its just Dana in a wig and glasses.
Unidentified
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At the same time, Chael said he only found out in 2008. It was pretty obvious that he was at fault with regards to disclosure which warranted the ban. Whether or not he was cheating was disregarded though the possiblity was brought up.polyh3dron said:
If anything is "too bad", it's that they seemed to have shorted the suspension just because of the 2-2 deadlock and not wanting to discuss the matter much longer.
On that note, it seems like he may have also been lying (on another matter also) about what NSAC/Keith Kizer said and he will have to deal with the commission (like Barnett) to obtain a new license in Nevada.
http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2010/12/3/1852468/reactions-to-chael-sonnens-csac-hearing
Heads up, King Mo fans! He co-hosted MMA Live this week! Here's a juicy nugget of MMA knowledge he dropped on Stephen Bonnar:
Mo and I see eye-to-eye on a lot of things.
http://espn.go.com/video/category?id=3461971
Mo and I see eye-to-eye on a lot of things.
http://espn.go.com/video/category?id=3461971
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Well here is to hoping Chael blows out a knee training.
polyh3dron
Banned
Brian Fellows said:
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Why are you posting a picture of some scared looking black dude?
polyh3dron
Banned
Guess I have to be right on the nose..Brian Fellows said:
polyh3dron
Banned
Chael Sonnen's first interview after the CSAC hearing with HDNet's Mike Straka
This is apparently the unedited version with parts that didn't make it to the Inside MMA show. Chael says he knows what's up next for him now, but can't share it with us yet.
HE'S COACHING TUF AGAINST BISPING I FUCKING KNOW IT
Also, on Inside MMA, in a part that wasn't on this video, Straka tells Chael that since he's once again eligible to fight on March 2nd that it would be perfect timing for him to fight in Abu Dhabi on the card with Shogun vs Evans tentatively on the main event and Chael doesn't seem too happy with the idea of fighting there (probably because he'd be in front of a bunch of muslin raghead turrists or something) and would rather fight in Las Vegas. He mentioned to Joe Silva to keep that in mind if he is watching.
I wonder what Keith Kizer would have to say about that. lol.
This is apparently the unedited version with parts that didn't make it to the Inside MMA show. Chael says he knows what's up next for him now, but can't share it with us yet.
HE'S COACHING TUF AGAINST BISPING I FUCKING KNOW IT
Also, on Inside MMA, in a part that wasn't on this video, Straka tells Chael that since he's once again eligible to fight on March 2nd that it would be perfect timing for him to fight in Abu Dhabi on the card with Shogun vs Evans tentatively on the main event and Chael doesn't seem too happy with the idea of fighting there (probably because he'd be in front of a bunch of muslin raghead turrists or something) and would rather fight in Las Vegas. He mentioned to Joe Silva to keep that in mind if he is watching.
I wonder what Keith Kizer would have to say about that. lol.
Maklershed
Member
Dear lord. He's worse than Jesse Taylor. Did he eat a Thanksgiving dinner before fighting? I think I'm gonna hurl now too.Valkyr Junkie said:
Maklershed
Member
Is there a thread specifically for The Ultimate Fighter 12 Finale tonight?
Should we just post in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408165
?
Should we just post in this thread: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=408165
?
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
polyh3dron said:Guess I have to be right on the nose..
Yes that is much better. And yes I am mad.
Unidentified
Member
Live stream for Strikeforce prelims are up here.
http://www.sherdog.com/events/Strikeforce-Henderson-vs-Babalu-2-14750
Already two or three fights done with so probably over soon.
http://www.sherdog.com/events/Strikeforce-Henderson-vs-Babalu-2-14750
Already two or three fights done with so probably over soon.
Spinning Plates
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I think Lawler is due a KO. 
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