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Munin said:
OK guys...I've been away from MMA for over a year, and last time I checked Pride was the superior organization with agile fighters and entertaining matches whereas UFC featured a bunch of buffed up Americans with next to no technique or intelligence. Has UFC changed? And is Pride really dying? :(

UFC has exploded in the past year. According to one source, 4 of the top 10 PPV events in terms of buys went to the UFC, and 2 of the top 3. (this is before UFC 65 and 66 are taken into account).

Pride had a scandal where they were linked to the Yakuza, and lost their TV deal. They also just recently killed their Bushido shows, which had the best fights in the org. And now we hear of them losing their #2 fighter.

Are they "dying"? Hard to say. If they are, it could be a long death. Their NYE show is okay, has a great matchup in Barnett/Nog 2. Fedor's fighting Hunt. Gomi against Ishida in a stupid non-title fight.

But there's no doubt that UFC is on the rise, and Pride is declining. In my opinion, Pride still has a better Heavyweight and lightweight division, with lightheavy a tie. But with the UFC scooping Herring and Crocop, they are quickly closing that gap.
 
I havent watched anything in about 6 months at least. Had no idea about the news with Pride.

Whats the latest news with Takanori Gomi and Genki Sudo?? Anyone got any clips?
 
haunts said:
I havent watched anything in about 6 months at least. Had no idea about the news with Pride.

Whats the latest news with Takanori Gomi and Genki Sudo?? Anyone got any clips?

Gomi got choked out in March by Marcus Aurelio in a bullshit non-title fight. Then he beat a no-namer, and rematched Aurelio in a title-fight. It was a very lackluster fight, but Gomi was given the decision win.

Gomi fights on Pride's NYE card against Ishida tonight.

Sudo hasn't fought since march. He fights in K-1's NYE card tonight against B-level Damacio Page, who has lost 2 of his last 3 fights.
 
Boogie said:
Gomi got choked out in March by Marcus Aurelio in a bullshit non-title fight. Then he beat a no-namer, and rematched Aurelio in a title-fight. It was a very lackluster fight, but Gomi was given the decision win.

Gomi fights on Pride's NYE card against Ishida tonight.

Sudo hasn't fought since march. He fights in K-1's NYE card tonight against B-level Damacio Page, who has lost 2 of his last 3 fights.


Havent missed much then i guess. :lol
 
Randy Couture is coming out of retirement

--Randy Couture will be announcing on Thursday night's "Inside the UFC" that he is coming out of retirement. It wouldn't shock me if they also announced Tim Sylvia vs. Couture as the main event for the 3/3 PPV in Columbus, OH. The second sentence is nothing anyone has told me directly, but based on a number of things said to me be a few different people in the last few days. Most notable regarding that is the current plan is for Couture to fight at heavyweight for his comeback. I think that's a bad idea. Another indication it may be Sylvia is just the timing of this announcement.

source: Dave Meltzer

That was a quick one.
 
Come on Couture, don't embarass yourself like Shamrock did. You retired at the right time, don't turn yourself into a spectacle.
 
Oh man, as a big fan, I would love to see him fight again.. but not against title contenders. Although, watching that damn Rocky Balboa movie has made me rethink Randy's comeback. He should stay away from Chuck and I don't know about HW. Well, it would be awesome to see Randy gnp Sylvia in an awesome David vs Goliath moment. :D
 
As much of a can as I think Silvia is, he would beat Couture. But because it's Silvia, it wouldn't be a punishing loss. It may even go the distance in a very boring fight.

But the worst case scenario is that Couture wins. A CropCop/Couture is not something I'd like to see.

This is a desperation move by the UFC, I think. With Brandon "The Greedy" Vera refusing to sign a contract, the UFC needs someone to fight Silvia. With the weak division and having no one else built up sufficiently, the UFC is without options.

I think it'll be a Couture/Tito rematch. Tito needs a win and Couture would be competitive. Although, this fight is a lose-lose for tito. If he loses, he's done, if he wins, he can only, apparently, beat washed up fighters.

Either way, I don't like this Couture coming back rumour. I hope it isn't true.
 
I just watched Fight Night 8. Holy shit Sanchez knocked Riggs the **** out! That running knee was easily the most badass thing I've seen in my short time watching UFC.
 
It seems to me like I just saw Couture talking a while back about how he had previously competed at Heavyweight, but that it was before everyone was so big. I think it may have even been commenting on a Rashad not having the size to stay competing at HW after he made his move to LHW
 
Tim Sylvia vs Randy Couture IS ON

MMA Weekly Radio producer Ken Pishna is quoting sources in both camps.

The fight will happen @ UFC 68


:)
 
Interview with the Champ (Fedor), translated from his website.

1) Who do you think are the top 3 205lbs (96kg) fighters in the world in order?

I think, 1, Shogun, 2 Wand, 3 Liddell

2) What were your thoughts on Wanderlei Silva – Mirko Crocop match from 2006 GP?

Mirko worked very properly, intelligently and smartly. Wanderlei was totally not himself. I couldn’t recognize him. He was too heavy and was doing some strange things.

3) Is there a realistic chance of you fighting in UFC anytime soon? Has UFC approached you?

UFC approached us a few times. For now Pride is #1, so we are here. I don’t know how good the chances are to see me in UFC in future. I think this may be a better question to my manager Vadim Finkelstein.

4) What do you think of UFC HW Champion Tim Sylvia? Approximately where do you think he belongs on your top 10 HWs list?

Honestly I haven’t thought of this, and haven’t seen enough fights with Tim. The fights that I have seen were not bad at all.

5) What is your opinion on “systema”?

Don’t undestand the question. (this is an abvious sarcastic remark by fedor. Every russian knows what systema is. Fedor obviously suggests by this remark that Systema sucks, fake, BS etc. and hence doesn't warrant his attention)

6) UFC’s undefeated contender Diego Sanchez has trained with you. What did you think of him, and Georges St. Pierre?

We didn’t train together (Diego probably meant that he took a class!!! You know where there is 100 people there? Fedor does NOT consider that “training with him”) but I’ve seen his fights. He is a good and very talented fighter.

7) If Nogueira and Mirko Crocop had a rematch now, who do you think would have a better chance of winning?

It’s 50/50. If Nog takes it to the ground Crocop is weaker there, but if Crocop is able to keep it standing Nog will take a terrible beating. It all depends on their game plan and how well they execute it.

8) If you were caught in a submission that you felt you couldn’t escape, would you tap out?

Never been in that situation, so I have no idea about what I’d do.

More questions from around the world:

Q. Who are your coaches or trainers for endurance?

A. We are working with all kinds of endurance athletes such as skiing champions to learn their secrets to great cardio.

Q. What do you think is a maximum amount of fights a serious fighter can have and still perform at 100% a year?

A. 3. It’s possible to have up to 5, but then the fighter’s “mental state” will be weakened. In other words “psychologically” it’s not good for you to fight more than 3 or 4 times a year.

Q. Francisco Filho beat Ruslan Karaev in k1 recently. He is in negotiations with Pride and trains with Brazilian Top team. Do you think that in his age it is possible to learn ground game on a high level?

A. Yes, it’s possible to learn grappling at any age and be sufficient.

Q. Did the illegal strike by Hunt to the back of your head stun you?

A. It wasn’t pleasant, but not too bad.

Q. Do you think Crocop could do better vs. you in a rematch?

A. Yes, if he learns from his mistakes. But I’d try to present him new problems.

Q. Did you sign a new contract with Pride?

A. Not yet. We are negotiating, but initial outline and an agreement are there.

Q. How is your foot?

A. 100%. It was a pity that it happened just before Hunt fight. I had to stop sparring, running etc. I could only do boxing in my training.

Q. When is the next fight?

A. I may fight in the World Championships of Combat Sambo in Russia in February.

Q. have you met Putin yet?

A. Not yet.

Q. Will you PR more to popularize MMA in Russia?

A. Yes.

Q. Who is your next Pride opponent?

A. Nog or Barnett.

Q. Did Aleks/Crocop fight influence you during the Crocop fight? Did you want to avenge your brother?

A. No. It was simply a game-plan and a normal fight, not emotional.

Q. Do you think you have good genetics? Does that help in your fighting?

A. No, I think it’s hard work.

Q. Were you ever on a brink of defeat? (Fujita?)

A. No.

Q. What gives you the edge over the competition?

A. I see my shortcomings, and the shortcomings of my opponents.

Q. Do you fight with your wife? (not physically, lol)

A. Sometimes.

Q. You didn’t look good at the very start of Hunt fight. You looked slower and tired.

A. Yes, I was tired.
 
Randy coming out of retirement is like Rocky. Even though I dislike the idea of Randy coming back to the UFC, I think it is going to be a good fight. "The Natural" has fought big HWs and Tim will be no different.

Either way it is bad for Tim. You know everyone is going to be cheering and supporting "Captain America". If he wins, then he should retire right then and there. And let Andrei Arlovski & Mirko CroCop fight for the vacant Heavy weight belt!
 
Wow. Sure as hell didn't see this one coming.

I feel bad for Randy though. Not for having to fight Sylvia. I think he has a chance. But that if he wins, he'll have to fight Crocop.

And I don't know what the hell to make of Brandon Vera. Either he's stupid, or he doesn't have confidence in his skills. Nobody has the potential to pay as well as the UFC does, and to possibly bail just as you're poised to become one of the org's marquee fighters is retarded.

Maybe Showtime can give him a better contract than his current one with the UFC, but he has to know that the potential for the really big money is with the UFC. Maybe Crocop scared him off, knowing that even if he beat Sylvia, he wouldn't be able to be champ for long.
 
DD-11 said:
As much of a can as I think Silvia is, he would beat Couture. But because it's Silvia, it wouldn't be a punishing loss. It may even go the distance in a very boring fight.
The fact that Randy is playing the major underdog role again makes this fight that much more interesting. Yep, the hype will likely be greater than the outcome.. at least for non-Couture fans cuz I will be cheering like crazy at every takedown. :D Honestly, I can't say I agree with this comeback, but as a fan, I will be rooting for him.

But the worst case scenario is that Couture wins. A CropCop/Couture is not something I'd like to see.
Nothing was worse as a fan than seeing my favorite fighter KO'd. But if Randy is champ, then he deserves to fight the best out there. Yeah, he may get KO'd again but like all of Mirko's past victim, he'll get up after the fight and life goes on. And if Randy did regain the HW Title, his legend status would be huge and one KO by Crocop wouldn't take that away.
 
I'll be rooting for Randy also. Silvia is a terrible champion and a terrible fighter and just bad for MMA. But it's a tall order for Randy to beat him. But I agree, he definitely has a shot.

And Boogie hit the nail on the head re. Vera. This reeks of the Tito situation of a couple years ago and we all know how that turned out for tito. Even if vera sees Crocop or Silvia as insurmountable, he could drop down and have great paydays fighting tito, sobral and liddell. Instead he's going to showtime to be a nobody. He'll come back once showtime folds its operation and likely get less.
 
RUMOR: UFC is also in prelimenary talks with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. At the present time, nothing is close; however, both sides have been talking regularly.
 
Bishman said:
RUMOR: UFC is also in prelimenary talks with Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira. At the present time, nothing is close; however, both sides have been talking regularly.

Looking good for the ufc heavyweight devision if they keep getting talent like this.
 
Eh, I don't want to hear about any talks where "nothing is close", that too often just leads to getting your hopes up for nothing.
 
Boogie said:
They also just recently killed their Bushido shows, which had the best fights in the org. And now we hear of them losing their #2 fighter.

Actually the Bushido weight classes have been absorbed into its regular show. Now Pride has four weight classes and four champions. They also stated that there will one title fight per event and GPs will be showcase one weightclass per year, every four years.

Pride is stumbling at the moment but the success and absorbtion of Bushido is nothing but a good thing.
 
I've been thinking about the risks vs rewards of Couture's comeback (:)), and eventhough everyone's opinion is that the worst case is for Couture to get KO'd by Cro Cop, it's Couture getting KO/TKO'd by Big Tim that worries me. See, I honestly don't feel I have to worry about Couture's health as I trust the relative safety of the sport enough here for the referee and/or doctor to step in, likely on the early side. I know everyone has Wandy/Cro Cop II on their mind but if that match happened in the UFC, I would bet on it being stopped during the doctor check. Now for Couture to come out of retirement just to get KO'd right away and to add another KO loss to the last pages of his career? His legend would take a heavy hit that both Couture and his fans don't deserve. However, losing a decision to the current HW Champ isn't so bad and it's almost an achievement at Couture's age. Tim hits hawd and there's no doubt he could KO Couture, but Tim will likely go with a defensive standup or at least he will after he spends some time on the mat. Monson took Tim to the ground when Tim got a little aggressive afterall. And Tim's height may become an advantage for Couture who is excellent at slipping under punches to get the clinch. Now Couture wouldn't be able to do much from Tim's guard but side mount would be where I see Couture doing the most damage to the big man. But how much energy will Couture have to spend to take the big man down and keep him there and will he be able to do so for 3 out of 5 rounds? At least Tim's not a gnp'er so Couture can take the chance of not having another bigger guy sit on him. I think the safe bet on the fight is a decision win for Tim, which again, isn't a big loss for Couture. Yet, a decision in favor of Randy would be beyond upset of the year or comeback of the year or even the title of 3 time UFC World Heavyweight Champion. It would be that Rocky moment made real again. It would be Randy/Vitor I and Randy/Chuck I again.
 
I prolly shouldnt bump for this.. but im gonna anyway :P


MMA boards all over are goin crazy with talk that the UFC has bought PRIDE...


I dont believe it.. but meh..
 
never never never never NEVER believe anything that isn't attached to a legit site or source.

The main source of this on the UG is coming from a poster named "Rob Rob Rob" whose signup date is today. It's probably the infamous BobSappFan back to **** with everyone for a bit.
 
dem said:
lol... 4 fight deal

Randy is crazy
you stole my line.

but that's just to cover ufc's ass if randy wins and it's over 2 years.

edit: i see ppl saying randy is bound to fight cc with 4 fights, nah, if randy loses, he doesn't have to stay in the hw division. there's tito and babalu to fight at the very least.
 
I told my friend 3 years ago, that UFC would eventually be the #1 MMA promotion. UFC + Pride = $$.

Gomi vs Sherk
Gomi vs Melvin
Chuck vs Shogun
Cro Cop vs Fedor
Andrei Arlovski vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Silva vs Chuck

Oh man!
 
Boogie said:
never never never never NEVER believe anything that isn't attached to a legit site or source.

The main source of this on the UG is coming from a poster named "Rob Rob Rob" whose signup date is today. It's probably the infamous BobSappFan back to **** with everyone for a bit.

Indeed. Although it is kinda curious UFC somehow got the rights to use footage of Mirko in Pride all of a sudden (and recently updated their UFC 67 promo accordingly).

Apparently the rumor is actually coming from Joey Odessa (bettormma.com) who does have some connections FWIW. But who knows, grain of salt for sure... albiet an interesting one.
 
Didn't Joe Rogan say in the latest Inside the UFC that he was sitting on some HUGE news for the UFC that Dana would get pissed if he leaked? Could this be it?
 
Schafer said:
Didn't Joe Rogan say in the latest Inside the UFC that he was sitting on some HUGE news for the UFC that Dana would get pissed if he leaked? Could this be it?

Pretty sure that was about Randy coming back.
 
I'll say this.. as much as I dont really want Randy to come out of retirement.. I cant wait to see him fight Sylvia.

Sylvia will have another notch on his belt :D
 
Bishman said:
I told my friend 3 years ago, that UFC would eventually be the #1 MMA promotion. UFC + Pride = $$.

Gomi vs Sherk
Gomi vs Melvin
Chuck vs Shogun
Cro Cop vs Fedor
Andrei Arlovski vs Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Silva vs Chuck

Oh man!

I'm pretty sure Gomi would carve up most of the UFC lightweights, similarly, Arlovski would be in serious trouble against Nog...

Post-injury Shogun would have trouble with Chuck (he just hasn't looked the same)
Post-giving-a-****-Silva (I honestly dont know what happened, he lacks the fire he used to have) would have his hands full with Chuck
 
From the sounds of it, Gomi wants to fight some of the UFCs welterweights.
He said in an interview that he wants to go to the UFC and fight Hughes/Penn/GSP.
I'd love to see it.
 
dem said:
Sylvia will have another notch on his belt :D

If by "notch" you mean "boring decision win", then maybe. I'm certainly not counting Randy out though.

As for Gomi, I think that Sherk would be a tough matchup for him, but he'd probably take him.

Penn/Gomi II, on the other hand, I'd love to see.

He'd have no chance against Hughes or GSP though.

hukasmokincaterpillar said:
Apparently the rumor is actually coming from Joey Odessa (bettormma.com) who does have some connections FWIW. But who knows, grain of salt for sure... albiet an interesting one.

Yeah, but the infamous BobSappFan is the one with ties to Odessa, and is also known for ****ing with people. He does have connections, but he's also a major troll as well.
 
As much as I like Gomi, he's been beating up guys who can't or won't take him down which may still be his achilles. Hughes, Penn and GSP would all put him on his back. Maybe Sherk, who is also big enough to do so. Melvin would be interesting to test Gomi's chin but he isn't ready.
 
dem said:
From the sounds of it, Gomi wants to fight some of the UFCs welterweights.
He said in an interview that he wants to go to the UFC and fight Hughes/Penn/GSP.
I'd love to see it.

Wouldn't Gomi fall into the lightwieght class (lil evil, etc)?
 
Jack Random said:
Wouldn't Gomi fall into the lightwieght class (lil evil, etc)?

Pride's lightweight division is 160lbs, so it's a bit between the UFC's 155 and 170lbs divisions.

I guess Gomi's a little like Penn and wants to challenge himself outside of his weight class. Also the fact that the UFC's lightweight fighters aren't as prominent as their welterweights may make their WW's a more worthy challenge in Gomi's mind.
 
http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=news.detail&gid=4174
“I don’t feel like I’m on the downslide,” admits Couture. “I don’t feel like I’ve slowed down. I think I was facing an opponent (Liddell) who’s at the top of his skill level right now, and I’m not the only one he’s pointed that out to. He’s had fights since then that have indicated that as well, and this is the best Chuck Liddell we’ve ever seen. He manages to go out and do what he does, find that range, and land that shot. From Babalu to (Jeremy) Horn and Tito. I don’t think it’s an indication of my skills – it’s more an indication of Chuck’s.”

What about the return to heavyweight though? The last time Couture was seen competing with the big boys in 2002, he got stopped by Barnett and the Rodriguez, leading ‘The Natural’ to conclude at that time that he would be better served facing fighters closer to his own height and weight.

“I think most notably, my ability has changed,” said Couture, who defeated the likes of Maurice Smith, Kevin Randleman, and Pedro Rizzo (twice) before the losses which prompted his jump to the light heavyweight class, where he went on to stop Liddell and Ortiz en route to the 205-pound title. “I think the guys are still big, but I’m a better fighter and more technical fighter. I train smarter and have a better idea how to peak for fights, and first and foremost, I believe I have the technique to deal with a bigger fighter, even if I do end up on the bottom. And I didn’t really have those skills back in those days dealing with Josh Barnett and Ricco Rodriguez.”

Has Randy slowed down or is Chuck just good at making great fighters look bad? I lean with the latter (Randy had a staph infection training for the Arsdale fight). Randy's still getting better at 43. I'm suprised he's trained for having a bigger guy on top of him.

Oh yeah, good interview with Bisping too.
http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=3258&zoneid=2
 
I'm inclined to agree. He's looked bad against Chuck, but everyone lately looks bad against Chuck.

The fact that he hung with Jacare in a sub-wrestling match recently leads me to believe that he'll still be dangerous, and that he's acquiring new skills.
 
Improved or not, his skill set does not match up any better against Sylvia then it does against Chuck. Both are heavy hitters, both are counter punchers and both have sick ground defense. As much as I like Couture and dislike Sylvia, it's a forgone conclusion that Randy is going to get mauled.
 
Sylvia showed a good sprawl against Monson, but he simply doesn't have the wrestling credentials that Chuck does. And I don't think he has the footwork of Chuck either, to avoid the clinch like Chuck.

And if Monson can get Sylvia down, then Couture can. And I think Couture can do more in terms of ground and pound if he gets him there than Monson could.

I'm not saying I think Couture is anywhere near the favourite, I just don't think that you can look at Couture's performance against Chuck and count him out against Sylvia.
 
Another great Randy article: http://www.thefightnetwork.com/news_detail.php?nid=3019
It has always been about the competition for me. These are some interesting fights. These fights excite me. These fights challenge me. Even at 43 years of age, I have more things I can accomplish and more things that I can do. In my opinion, I can still compete with these guys and beat them.

Am I doing the right thing? Is this stupid? Is this another Michael Jordan-esque stunt, another pro athlete that can’t let go? I don’t feel like that. I’ve enjoyed doing commentary and all the other things that have kept me busy. I don’t think it’s a huge issue of letting go.

Hell, maybe I’m just kidding myself and Tim’s going to point it out to me. I don’t think that’s the case. I guess we’ll find out on March 3. Maybe I just don’t have it anymore and I’m just as crazy as everyone thinks I am.

If you feel this legend should stay retired, then let this “old man” live out his glory days, at least one more time. If you believe I’ve still got in me, like I believe I do, then come along for the ride. Regardless, I will fight my heart out for you come March 3.

I just feel like I’ve got more fighting in me to do.
Contrast this to how Rampage has been saying he still wants a couple warmup fights. He's had 3 fights since losing to Shogun over a year ago, none of which are top competition in his weight class. I want the old Rampage with the hunger for the title (and big money that goes with it). I'm getting the feeling he doesn't think he can beat Chuck.

Improved or not, his skill set does not match up any better against Sylvia then it does against Chuck. Both are heavy hitters, both are counter punchers and both have sick ground defense. As much as I like Couture and dislike Sylvia, it's a forgone conclusion that Randy is going to get mauled.
Yes, except Sylvia isn't a KO artist as a counter puncher like Chuck is.
 
Boogie said:
Sylvia showed a good sprawl against Monson, but he simply doesn't have the wrestling credentials that Chuck does. And I don't think he has the footwork of Chuck either, to avoid the clinch like Chuck.

And if Monson can get Sylvia down, then Couture can. And I think Couture can do more in terms of ground and pound if he gets him there than Monson could.

I'm not saying I think Couture is anywhere near the favourite, I just don't think that you can look at Couture's performance against Chuck and count him out against Sylvia.

To compensate for his ground game versus Chuck, Sylvia has much much longer reach, it's hard as hell to get close to him.

I dunno, I just don't see Couture pulling this one off, though I'd love to be suprised. I alway cheer for anyone whose trying to take Sylvia down.
 
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