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Brian Fellows
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According to UFCjunkuie UFN 11 is going to be on September 19th now instead of the 20th. Which would mean they are moving TUF to Wednesdays. Thats great news for me considering Thursday night was already my most stacked night of television.
Hollywood_mIRC
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It was reported earlier today by multiple MMA sources that UFC poster boy and former Light Heavyweight champion Chuck "The Iceman" Liddell will be fighting again at UFC 76 in Anaheim, California in September.
Liddell, who lost his title in his last fight via knockout loss to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson will fight Ultimate Fighter season two veteran and top UFC contender "The Dean of Mean" Keith Jardine.
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Wanderlei Silva responds via video posted on his website to the allegations that he turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell for UFC 76 in September.
In the video Wanderlei stated, "I never said that I wouldn't fight Chuck. I've wanted this fight for a long time"
The former Pride champion continued, "I received a contract with two options, I could fight in September or November. I have chosed to make this fight in November. I was the first to want this fight, but they kept avoiding this fight. Now there's a lot of people saying that I have ducked Chuck. This is not true"
According to Silva, the timing for the fight to take place in September did not work for him. He explained, "I am in a moment of transition in my life. I'm going to move to the U.S. in a few weeks. I'm going to live in the U.S. and there's a lot of things happening, and I'm not focused on training the way I want to be. I always fought at the time the promoters wanted. Sometimes I did things I should not have done, but this time I won't do that anymore."
Denying he ever turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell, Silva said, "I want to fight chuck in November and make a huge show, and make it the biggest show ever...I have no doubts it's the most important fight of my life. I know Chuck is a great name in the U.S., we'll do a great fight. I think I must be in my best shape, so I want this time to train better to be in my bets shape ever."
Wanderlei asserted, "This fight is on, if he Chuck doesn't hide behind this mess."
Liddell, who lost his title in his last fight via knockout loss to Quinton "Rampage" Jackson will fight Ultimate Fighter season two veteran and top UFC contender "The Dean of Mean" Keith Jardine.
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Wanderlei Silva responds via video posted on his website to the allegations that he turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell for UFC 76 in September.
In the video Wanderlei stated, "I never said that I wouldn't fight Chuck. I've wanted this fight for a long time"
The former Pride champion continued, "I received a contract with two options, I could fight in September or November. I have chosed to make this fight in November. I was the first to want this fight, but they kept avoiding this fight. Now there's a lot of people saying that I have ducked Chuck. This is not true"
According to Silva, the timing for the fight to take place in September did not work for him. He explained, "I am in a moment of transition in my life. I'm going to move to the U.S. in a few weeks. I'm going to live in the U.S. and there's a lot of things happening, and I'm not focused on training the way I want to be. I always fought at the time the promoters wanted. Sometimes I did things I should not have done, but this time I won't do that anymore."
Denying he ever turned down a fight with Chuck Liddell, Silva said, "I want to fight chuck in November and make a huge show, and make it the biggest show ever...I have no doubts it's the most important fight of my life. I know Chuck is a great name in the U.S., we'll do a great fight. I think I must be in my best shape, so I want this time to train better to be in my bets shape ever."
Wanderlei asserted, "This fight is on, if he Chuck doesn't hide behind this mess."
UFC 75 will be free on tape-delay on Spike.
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Boogie said:
I'm really shocked about that since that's a huge card on paper... although I guess casual fans don't know who Henderson is and barely know Page.
Hopefully the fix the commercial overload on this one... the last one on Spike was just ridiculous (i.e., 4 minute, movie-length commercial breaks between rounds).
Hollywood_mIRC
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Free PPV? I love it, awesome.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
dem said:
Irrelevant.
DD-11 said:
That's not confirmed yet, it can still be undone! :-/
But yeah, for every awesome move the UFC has made lately (UFC 75 free on Spike), they seem to make a dud as well (Chuck vs Jardine? WTF?)
edit: nevermind, I guess it is confirmed :-/
http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/bo...lt=ArWd0vFRkJTtFbxHvqElu7qUxLYF?urn=box,39369
Tchu-Espresso
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They are smart enough to know they cant sell a PPV at the time it would be live, or if it was tape delayed.Schafer said:
dem
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Brian Fellows said:
Not if you want to see the best fight the best...
Isnt it time for Michael Bisping to take a step up in competition?
yall can get the hell off my nuts just cause i dont praise every ****ing card.
****.. i wasnt even complaining
But shit.. the ufc is pretty annoying lately. Why the hell am i waiting till DECEMBER for Hughes vs Serra?? Why the hell is Dana dodging Wanderlei?? shiit. Where did Arlovski and Werdum go??
On the TUF show, Bisping even said he was afraid of fighting against Matt Hammil, due to his awesome wrestling ability, and Bispings weakness (at the time) being wrestling.
- This fight should have already happened, but on the show Hammil had to get injured (lame). So this fight is approprate. These two should have squared off in the final, not bisping and his victim from the finale.
So im looking foward to this fight a lot. Sure, neither one are in the top 10. But this is a fight that will display ( at least to me ) the real winner of that season of TUF.
And yeah... why Silva/Liddell is not confirmed yet is stupid. Each side says they want the fight to happen, yet they are not making it happen. Its either on purpose to build hype, or both Silva / Liddell (or white) are scared of losing.
- This fight should have already happened, but on the show Hammil had to get injured (lame). So this fight is approprate. These two should have squared off in the final, not bisping and his victim from the finale.
So im looking foward to this fight a lot. Sure, neither one are in the top 10. But this is a fight that will display ( at least to me ) the real winner of that season of TUF.
And yeah... why Silva/Liddell is not confirmed yet is stupid. Each side says they want the fight to happen, yet they are not making it happen. Its either on purpose to build hype, or both Silva / Liddell (or white) are scared of losing.
lol, I think that is a really big leap. Why not give him someone that has average takedown skills first, not the best takedown guy in the weightclass right out of the gate.dem said:Apparently Shoguns first fight is against FORREST
as per Frank Triggs radio show.
run forrest, run :lol
If this is true.. who is Machida going to fight?
Time to bring in Arona, me thinks. See if Machida can stop that takedown.
dem
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DD-11 said:
"I received a contract with two options, I could fight in September or November. I have chosed to make this fight in November. I was the first to want this fight, but they kept avoiding this fight. Now there's a lot of people saying that I have ducked Chuck. This is not true"
He said she said.
Dana is not ducking anyone, He's wanted this fight for years. He's interested in making good fights, and we do not the nuances of contracts and scheduling. The way I heard it was that wandy and chuck for september with the winner getting a title shot. Dana wants a big fight for the end of the year, superbowl card.
Wandy turned down the fight and the chance for Chuck this year. It makes no sense to have them fight in november because then they are both lost for the big fight for the belt. So who does Dana have fight for the championship at the end of the year?
Wanderlei screwed Wanderlei.
Dana is not ducking anyone, He's wanted this fight for years. He's interested in making good fights, and we do not the nuances of contracts and scheduling. The way I heard it was that wandy and chuck for september with the winner getting a title shot. Dana wants a big fight for the end of the year, superbowl card.
Wandy turned down the fight and the chance for Chuck this year. It makes no sense to have them fight in november because then they are both lost for the big fight for the belt. So who does Dana have fight for the championship at the end of the year?
Wanderlei screwed Wanderlei.
Lucky for Forrest if true. He has little to lose here and everything to gain. He likes to get punched anyway. Shogun will overwhelm him but Forrest can still look good in a loss here. Same for Jardine and Chuck.dem said:Apparently Shoguns first fight is against FORREST
as per Frank Triggs radio show.
run forrest, run :lol
Not always necessary. This is a new style matchup for Bisping. If he can't take Hammil, forget about Rashad or Tito.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Man Shogun vs Forrest sucks! Now I dont know who to root for. Seeing Shogun beat up Machida would have been so much more fun. But I suppose there could be worse problems too have.
Poor griffin, he can't catch a break. He was being groomed for a title fight, lost to Jardine and is now getting sacrificed. I don't think he's a very good fighter, but what are they going to do with him once he gets run over by Shogun?
And Chuck better beat Jardine, but I hate to think that a win means a shot for the title. How does beating a b-level fighter coming off a huge upset loss equal a title shot. It really should be shogun v chuck, but dana has a business to run, I guess.
And Chuck better beat Jardine, but I hate to think that a win means a shot for the title. How does beating a b-level fighter coming off a huge upset loss equal a title shot. It really should be shogun v chuck, but dana has a business to run, I guess.
Griffin is still young. I have no problems with guys like him or Diego not getting a shot at the title because they lost a fight. Either they're strong enough to come back or they wouldn't have lasted long on top anyway.DD-11 said:
And last I heard, Shogun was getting the title shot if he wins. Of course, don't believe it til we see it.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Ok I've decided to root for Forrest. Sure its a pretty hopeless cause but if he were to pull it off somehow it would be pretty much the greatest thing ever.
Brian Fellows said:
Why? It will just be another delay in making the fights everyone really wants to see. It would suck if forrest landed a phantom punch or caught a guillotine. I've seen enough of forrest, he's a likeable guy and all, but his skills just aren't there yet. I don't know, I'd rather the main eventers, be in the main events. It makes/made me sick to see sera and silvia as champs.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
DD-11 said:
Because there is no greater joy in MMA than seeing a bunch of "hardcore MMA fans" cry like little bitches when one of their gods gets dethroned. Its nothing against Shogun I like him alot. But I need someone to root for in this one and there is just more upside for me if Forrest wins.
OH and i'm not talking about anyone here. Mostly the assholes over at MMAweekly's forums.
Tchu-Espresso
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I think Shogun eventually and rightfully claiming his throne as the best LHW in the world is upside enoughBrian Fellows said:
Ned Flanders
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I like this match-up far more than Shogun vs Machida, a) because I feel Machida has been undersold as a commodity in the UFC (still undefeated, wins over many big names, albeit with some boring fights since joining the UFC), and b) because I'm way more fearful of Machida giving Shogun trouble than Griffin.
Don't get me wrong, Griffin is an entertaining fighter, and probably top 30 in terms of talent in his weight class, but Shogun has proven himself against the best, and I want to continue to see the best fight the best.
Don't get me wrong, Griffin is an entertaining fighter, and probably top 30 in terms of talent in his weight class, but Shogun has proven himself against the best, and I want to continue to see the best fight the best.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
The Black Brad Pitt said:I think Shogun eventually and rightfully claiming his throne as the best LHW in the world is upside enough
For you maybe and you are free to root for Shogun. I will not try to stop you. But I enjoy seeing people in pain.
Ned Flanders
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The LHW division matchups for the forseeable future SHOULD look like this:
Rampage vs UFC notable: Would have been Jardine if not for Alexander, Griffin if not for Jardine, Bonnar if not for steroids. Rampage destroyed the legend yet again, and needs a mid-profile challenger (a la Chuck vs Babalu) to tide him over before his next big-time showdown. My nominee then becomes....Michael Bisping! Undefeated, on a streak, ready to graduate to the next level. In all honesty, he should have one big-time warm-up fight before a title shot (a la Rashad vs Tito), but its really Dana/Silva's fault that hasn't happened already. Bisping has good visibility among the UFC fanbase/TUF crowd, and is a relatively exciting fighter. If he won, he'd at least be a charismatic champion (and a great draw for UK audiences), and if he lost, he'd still be in the mix as far as contenders go.
Liddell vs Houston Alexander: Lets be clear here. Chuck doesn't need or deserve to be coddled, and Chuck doesn't want to be coddled. Alexander either becomes a bonafide star/contender with a win over the Iceman, or Chuck returns to show a dangerous fighter how dangerous he's always been. Think about it; if Chuck loses to Jardine, he's pretty washed up having been beaten by a guy who just got made into a human mop a couple months ago. But if he losses to Alexander, well then maybe he just got caught by the latest up and coming phenom...nothing to be ashamed of.
Shogun vs Tito: Every UFC fan knows what Tito is made of...for better or for worse. What better measuring stick for the talent of the latest dangerous Pride import than one of the UFC's most familiar faces? This way we can finally see if Tito is done-done as a legitimate force in the LHW division. Good exposure for Shogun, good test for Tito. Win-win for both fighters.
Lyoto vs Griffin: Last chance for Griffin! If Lyoto finishes him, he gets a contender match followed by a title shot. If Griffin wins, he buys himself another fight in the UFC. Again, more exposure for Lyoto against a UFC notable, and a redemption shot for Griffin against an undefeated fighter with a number of quality wins.
Babalu vs Evans: The Ortiz draw was a sidestep for Evans, leaving him in limbo between "Great TUF fighter" and "legitimate UFC LHW contender". Babalu is a seasoned veteran on the level of a Tito, and a guy who desperately needs to get back on the winning track against quality opponents. So Evans isn't relegated to fighting mid-level guys again, but he's not immediately made a contender after a mediocre performance. Win-win again..
Henderson should go down to middleweight, fight a contender (hell he should have fought Ace for the number one contender spot), then go on to fight Silva for the title in the fight the entire world wants to see. I know he's perfectly capable of banging with the big boys (in fact I dare say that Dan is more comfortable fighting bigger, slower targets in the LHW division), but I just don't think having him there, vs Rampage in his first fight no less, is anything anyone is really clamoring to see. Either he gets beat and people (people being your average UFC fan who knows nothing about MMA outside of the Octagon) wonder what the hell the big deal was about him, or Rampage loses and everyone considers him a gimmicky champion who got lucky against Golden Boy Chuck. Its a matchup of great fighters, but its not a "great matchup", if you know what I mean.
Rampage vs UFC notable: Would have been Jardine if not for Alexander, Griffin if not for Jardine, Bonnar if not for steroids. Rampage destroyed the legend yet again, and needs a mid-profile challenger (a la Chuck vs Babalu) to tide him over before his next big-time showdown. My nominee then becomes....Michael Bisping! Undefeated, on a streak, ready to graduate to the next level. In all honesty, he should have one big-time warm-up fight before a title shot (a la Rashad vs Tito), but its really Dana/Silva's fault that hasn't happened already. Bisping has good visibility among the UFC fanbase/TUF crowd, and is a relatively exciting fighter. If he won, he'd at least be a charismatic champion (and a great draw for UK audiences), and if he lost, he'd still be in the mix as far as contenders go.
Liddell vs Houston Alexander: Lets be clear here. Chuck doesn't need or deserve to be coddled, and Chuck doesn't want to be coddled. Alexander either becomes a bonafide star/contender with a win over the Iceman, or Chuck returns to show a dangerous fighter how dangerous he's always been. Think about it; if Chuck loses to Jardine, he's pretty washed up having been beaten by a guy who just got made into a human mop a couple months ago. But if he losses to Alexander, well then maybe he just got caught by the latest up and coming phenom...nothing to be ashamed of.
Shogun vs Tito: Every UFC fan knows what Tito is made of...for better or for worse. What better measuring stick for the talent of the latest dangerous Pride import than one of the UFC's most familiar faces? This way we can finally see if Tito is done-done as a legitimate force in the LHW division. Good exposure for Shogun, good test for Tito. Win-win for both fighters.
Lyoto vs Griffin: Last chance for Griffin! If Lyoto finishes him, he gets a contender match followed by a title shot. If Griffin wins, he buys himself another fight in the UFC. Again, more exposure for Lyoto against a UFC notable, and a redemption shot for Griffin against an undefeated fighter with a number of quality wins.
Babalu vs Evans: The Ortiz draw was a sidestep for Evans, leaving him in limbo between "Great TUF fighter" and "legitimate UFC LHW contender". Babalu is a seasoned veteran on the level of a Tito, and a guy who desperately needs to get back on the winning track against quality opponents. So Evans isn't relegated to fighting mid-level guys again, but he's not immediately made a contender after a mediocre performance. Win-win again..
Henderson should go down to middleweight, fight a contender (hell he should have fought Ace for the number one contender spot), then go on to fight Silva for the title in the fight the entire world wants to see. I know he's perfectly capable of banging with the big boys (in fact I dare say that Dan is more comfortable fighting bigger, slower targets in the LHW division), but I just don't think having him there, vs Rampage in his first fight no less, is anything anyone is really clamoring to see. Either he gets beat and people (people being your average UFC fan who knows nothing about MMA outside of the Octagon) wonder what the hell the big deal was about him, or Rampage loses and everyone considers him a gimmicky champion who got lucky against Golden Boy Chuck. Its a matchup of great fighters, but its not a "great matchup", if you know what I mean.
Brian Fellows
Pete Carroll Owns Me
Ned Flanders said:
At this point I'd rather see Gouveia vs Evans is he can get past Lambert. Babalu is broken. Other than that though your match upa all make alot of sense.
Ned Flanders
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Asbel said:
F*cking badass! I love Condit and Larson! And look out Anderson Silva...Filho's gonna dominate a handful of WEC'ers before coming for your belt!
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