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Captain Glanton said:
Holy crap. I would have thought that Tank Abbott would have died in a bar brawl by now.
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http://www.kimbo-fights.com/
Supposedly the Kimbo vs. Tank Abbott match almost happened a few months ago — in a bar.

Famed bareknuckle streetfighter Kimbo Slice was in a Florida night club back in January when he was called out on the spot by David “Tank” Abbott. [Tank Abbott, former UFC fighter, was considered one of the most dangerous strikers in the early days of MMA.] A witness said that Abbott and friends confronted Kimbo and his entourage, placing $10,000 on the table and saying, “You think you’re so tough, any time, any place. I’ll let you call it.” Kimbo hesitated and gave no response. One of his crew stood up and Abbott push him right back down into his seat. Before leaving the club, Tank offered, ”You know how to get in touch with me.” Kimbo and crew sat for a few minutes without a word to each other, then finally they all got up and left. Associates for Abbott have told Mmaweekly.com that they have not received a followup from Kimbo or his management.
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PAYBACKill said:
I cant seem to pick between shogun and forest after all the upsets. I have like almost zero respect for forest, I just think pride guys had an aura of bs around them now. shogun SHOULD win.
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ZERO RESPECT. That's ridiculous ;( The guy puts on a great fight everytime out that I've seen. Is he the zomg greatest fighter ever? no.. but the guy is really solid and has been VERY fun to watch.

Also, that Tanner news is really depressing
 
Forest is kind of a dick. You ever see when he , on some bully power trip, only grants an interview if he can kick the news manager of a website in the leg? he fractured the guys femur (im sure I did not spell that right) .


but yeah hes a slugger and thats great, if Im gonna watch a slugger, Id prefer it being robbie lawler. What he did to trigg should've been illegal
 
PAYBACKill said:
Forest is kind of a dick. You ever see when he , on some bully power trip, only grants an interview if he can kick the news manager of a website in the leg? he fractured the guys femur (im sure I did not spell that right) .


but yeah hes a slugger and thats great, if Im gonna watch a slugger, Id prefer it being robbie lawler. What he did to trigg should've been illegal
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You spelled it right. Jesus, that's pretty crazy, but I think I understand his mentality there - it's kind of a "You can't take cracks at me in print unless you let me take a crack at you in what I'm best at" sort of thing. Still...

Either way, Shogun will beat his ass. The man is a beast.
 
You put Shogun as the #1 LHW in the world or someone else?

Im curious, because I think with testing and unified rules, we will see new results. Id put hendo over shogun at 205 currently.


And sokoudjou is gonna run through some folks, he just backed out of his elite xc deal
 
radiuhm said:
Wow everyone's doubting my boy Din, come on man don't count him out like that. He beat Clay Guida who is a very good wrestler and is very well on the way of being a competitor for the belt, he man handled Jeremy Stephens, and has ton's of experience. Standing up I give it to Din, on the ground both of them are BJJ black belts, so with Din having the better stand up I give him the win over Florian.
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I'm not doubting him. He's a damned good fighter and I could easily see him taking this fight. Thats what I love about the LW division. So many good match ups that could go either way.

I just happen to be taking kenny in this one.


Takuan said:
You spelled it right. Jesus, that's pretty crazy, but I think I understand his mentality there - it's kind of a "You can't take cracks at me in print unless you let me take a crack at you in what I'm best at" sort of thing. Still...
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It was hilarious. And the best part was that the guy asked some stupid question about bringing in elements of pro wrestling into the UFC.
 
155 realllllllllllllllllly doesn't have KO power. Huerta's last fights, tyson griffin's fights, etc...all they do is land power shots, no one goes down.


Jesus, sherk ate 5 flying knees to the face, that he was shooting into, and didnt get KOed.

I love 155, but I like it because of the speed and how hard the guys work to get a win...they understand they probably wont get a ko, so they dont just try and set up a big shot.
 
ok the throw was insane, but thats also because he threw shaolin...who is tiny.



that was a TKO via stoppage, not a KO



and the fact that you even have to really go to the K1 Heros champ to find a solid example should tell you how elusive it is at lw
 
PAYBACKill said:
ok the throw was insane, but thats also because he threw shaolin...who is tiny.



that was a TKO via stoppage, not a KO



and the fact that you even have to really go to the K1 Heros champ to find a solid example should tell you how elusive it is at lw
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Having watched ufc 60 recently, i can tell you that Spencer Fisher KO'd Matt Wiman and Melvin Guillard KO'd Rick Davis.

If you're not just talking about ufc, theres gomi, sakurai, kawajiri, pulver etc
 
melvin was coked up according to NSAC and matt wiman has a glass jaw.



Seriously though. Take a look at 155 fights. If you took the exact same moves and events that happened in a fight at 155 and brought it to 170 or 185, you'd see deaths. but at 155 , the guys aren't even dazed. Think of diego hitting riggs with that insane hook. That was one blow and the fight was over.



Melvin DOES have KO power, so did franca, but its very , very rare at 155. At 170 and up, it seems like a ko hit is in everyones arsenal.
 
Obviously if you have more weight behind a punch its going to do more damage, whereas more weight isnt going to magically improve your jaw to the same degree.

On a completely different note, i want to eat hot fudge of gina carano's stomach.

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Is KO power more prevalent at higher weight classes and with bigger bodies? Yes..physics has a large part in that. Are there LW's with plenty of KO power out there? Yes..absolutely.


End of discussion.
 
women's mma currently is just too boring to watch. Basically carano is fighting vs someone 15 lbs smaller to begin with, then she fails to make weight, almost dies during the weigh in from dehydration, and beats her lackluster opponent up in a round or two.


she never made weight in muay thai bouts, either.


sherdog called it out right in that 20 page " Carano is not a serious fighter" thread
 
So fiveouncesofpain.com reported last night that Nog will fight Mir. Useless matchup. Mir will gas as fast as Overeem did in his last fight. Mir's not ready for a title contender match. On the plus side, I guess it will make Nog look good taking out a former ufc champ.
 
Hopefully I'll get to catch some of this tonight.

I've got

Din by decision
Alves but wagering on Hironaka
Diaz
Maynard
Martin
Cummo
Garcia
Quarry
Goulet
 
Goulet is just lucky Swick pulled out. He would have gotten KTFO in about 30 seconds. Now he might be lucky to last 2 rounds with Hazelett. Dude is terrible.
 
Brian Fellows said:
Goulet is just lucky Swick pulled out. He would have gotten KTFO in about 30 seconds. Now he might be lucky to last 2 rounds with Hazelett. Dude is terrible.
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You may be right. I haven't seen Hazelett fight afterall. I picked Goulet cuz he's more well rounded and tested against better competiton. He has a weak chin and is susceptible to submissions though. Damn, now I'm questioning my pick..

Anyway, really good Serra interview.
http://mmamadness.com/insight.html?newsitem_id=91
 
Bishman said:
Make your picks at MMAPlayground!
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Done! Also I changed my pick from Quarry to Sell. Nate will probably be rusty and Drago claims this is the first time in his career he's been training full time.

http://redeye.chicagotribune.com/red-091807-ultimate-main,0,2478683.story

Blood sport?
Despite criticisms of being too violent, ultimate fighting is a hit—and it's coming to Illinois

By Tracy Swartz
RedEye
Published September 18 2007

Stephan "American Psycho" Bonnar said he can't walk through an airport without someone asking him for an autograph or a hug. This summer, Bonnar said, an elderly woman approached him at baggage claim and said, "I really enjoy your fights."

As a professional mixed martial arts fighter, Bonnar is enjoying his moment in the spotlight.

Mixed martial arts, also known as ultimate fighting, is growing in popularity and prosperity despite criticism that the sport is too violent. Illinois, which previously banned mixed martial arts events, legalized and will regulate these extreme fighting events under legislation Gov. Blagojevich signed last week.

On Wednesday, Season 6 of the "The Ultimate Fighter," a reality show that pits professional mixed martial arts fighters against one another for a six-figure contract, premieres on Spike TV.

"Before, it was mainly a guy thing. Now you get women, old people, young people knowing you and recognizing you," said Bonnar, 30, who moved from Chicago to Las Vegas this summer. "It's not the old days when your fan was in the NASCAR demographic."

More than 13,000 fans watched Bonnar take down an opponent in a pay-per-view cage match in July at the ARCO Arena in Sacramento, according to the California athletic commission. Bonnar won the fight with a rear naked choke—a Jiu-Jitsu move that's a version of the sleeper hold.

Mixed martial arts fighters use a combination of boxing, wrestling, Judo, Jiu-Jitsu and karate techniques to try to knock out opponents.

Coaches and promoters say the sport has evolved over the past decade as the rules have changed to favor skill over brutality. Though there are injuries in mixed martial arts events, supporters claim there hasn't been a death linked to the sport in the U.S.

Nevertheless, critics say these no-holds-barred slugfests are just too violent.

Sen. John McCain (R.-Ariz.) in 1996 likened the sport to "human cockfighting." State Rep. Jim Meyer told RedEye the practice is "basically a barroom brawl without the bar."

"I believe that no matter what they've done in terms of supposedly trying to bring regulation to the fights and make certain that there are doctors present, I think that's all just window dressing," said Meyer (R-Naperville).

Meyer pushed to ban mixed martial arts events from Illinois in the mid-1990s, about the time the Ultimate Fighting Championship, a mixed martial arts association that holds tournaments to test athletes with various combat skills, was gaining steam.

UFC events at that time focused on raw fighting, several fighters said. The UFC tagline was "There are no rules!" There were no weight classes, so smaller opponents would battle larger ones. Eye-gouging and biting were not allowed.

Because of its anything-goes attitude, ultimate fighting was banned in many states, including Illinois. Some states held the events, which were available on pay-per-view. In the past decade, though, UFC officials honed and tightened the rules to focus more on martial arts skills. Now states have started to allow UFC events.

"Guys were kicking each other in the [groin] ... and just doing some things that really don't show skill," said Bob Schirmer, a mixed martial arts coach in Cicero. "We wanted a skilled martial arts event that demonstrates skill and not brutality."

Under UFC guidelines, there are five weight classes that range from lightweight to heavyweight. There are rules about how long bouts can last. Fighters are fouled if they pull hair, attack the groin, strike the throat, spit or kick to the kidney, among other offenses. A referee can stop the match at any time, and fighters can "tap out," or yield to their opponents.

Bonnar, who said he usually trains six days a week, is no stranger to the sport's dangerous side. In the first season of "The Ultimate Fighter," Bonnar won a contract after a match he described as an epic battle, "a really bloody, back-and-forth fight."

He said he has sprained his neck, pulled some muscles, broke his hand a few times and fractured his ulna. But he still claims mixed martial arts is safer than boxing and NASCAR.

"At least in our sport, you get hit and drop. You're out of it," Bonnar said. "It's like a kinetic chess game."

UFC has its own rules, but states also regulate the sport. Now that Illinois is allowing ultimate fighting, the Illinois Department of Financial and Professional Regulation plans to devise guidelines for UFC events in the state, said department spokeswoman Sue Hofer.

Marc Ratner, UFC vice president of regulatory affairs, said he hopes to bring a UFC event to the Allstate Arena in Rosemont or the United Center by mid-2008, depending on when the state creates event rules.

"We know it will be big business in Chicago," Ratner said. "They're clamoring for it in Illinois." Chicago already is the home to the Red Bears, a mixed martial arts team in the International Fight League, which is separate from the UFC.

Other Illinois fighters are finding success.

Terry Martin, 26, of the South Loop, holds an 18-2 mixed martial arts fighting record, according to the UFC Web site. Martin, who is set to fight Chris Leben at UFC Fight Night on Wednesday in Las Vegas in a middleweight showdown, credits the sport with helping him turn around his life.

While growing up on the West Side, Martin—a Mike Tyson look-alike—said he dabbled in gang activity. Then he attended Triton College in River Grove, where he met wrestling coach Shonie Carter.

"He was just raw talent, raw power with the proper mentality to be a fighter," said Carter, 35, of Logan Square. "He had it in his heart."

Martin agrees.

Fighting "is just a part of me. It's a thrill."


Mixed martial arts, also known as ultimate fighting, utilizes boxing, kickboxing, Muay Thai (kickboxing with knees and elbows), karate, freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestling, Sambo (a form of wrestling), Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu and Judo.

The Ultimate Fighting Championship is a mixed martial arts association. The UFC holds combat events around the country.

UFC fighters spar in an octagon-shaped cage, and they must wear approved gloves and shorts or trunks. Shirts and shoes are not allowed.

DIVISIONS
There are five weight classes in the UFC: Lightweight (145 to 155 pounds)
Welterweight (155 to 170 pounds)
Middleweight (170 to 185 pounds)
Light heavyweight (185 to 205 pounds) Heavyweight (205 to 265 pounds)

BOUT LENGTHS
Non-championship bouts are three rounds; championship bouts are five rounds. Rounds are no longer than five minutes. There is a one-minute rest period between each round.

DECLARING A VICTOR
Fighters can win if their opponent submits verbally or physically by tapping out, or by a technical knockout—when the referee determines one fighter is unable to continue the battle. If the bout ends and there are no submissions, a panel of three judges decides the winner using score cards.
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WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Better start saving now if I want decent seats. :D
 
a UFC ppv at the United Center would be great

would be like a 30-40 minute drive for me

would be a lot cheaper than driving to Columbus or flying to Vegas for an event, and having to pay for hotels and all that
 
I still wince every time a major media outlet refers to the sport as "ultimate fighting." Can we have Dana run a blitzkrieg media tour where we put a moratorium on that term and refer to it collectively as mixed martial arts?
 
Eggo said:
I still wince every time a major media outlet refers to the sport as "ultimate fighting." Can we have Dana run a blitzkrieg media tour where we put a moratorium on that term and refer to it collectively as mixed martial arts?
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imo i think they are kinda stuck with it, i mean the UFC = Ultimate Fighting Championship, its the #1 mma organization in the world, so i doubt they change their brand name
 
Asbel said:
You may be right. I haven't seen Hazelett fight afterall. I picked Goulet cuz he's more well rounded and tested against better competiton. He has a weak chin and is susceptible to submissions though. Damn, now I'm questioning my pick..

Anyway, really good Serra interview.
http://mmamadness.com/insight.html?newsitem_id=91
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I like Serra's honesty. It's refeshing to get an ordinary Joe off the street who speaks his mind like that.
 
I'm actually real excited for this UFC..

I think a lot of people might be sleepin on it because the main event isnt a title fight.. or a "super fight" or whatever.


But Chuck vs Jardine should be a good little slugfest. Always exciting to see Chuck out there.
Sanchez vs Fitch should be awesome.
Shogun debut against Forrest should be awesome.
I cant wait to see Machida vs Nakamura. Pride/UFC crossovers are still interesting to me.
Griffin/Tavares should be a good LW scrap.


This card almost have the feel of a Pride shockwave card or something to me.
 
Asbel said:
Yep. Imes is pretty flexible for a big man.

I caught the Miller/Garcia fight. Fantastic fight for submission fans.
I'm firmly on the Miller train now.
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Yeah man his submission game is just so smooth. I really want to see him and Nate fight now.
 
dem said:
I'm actually real excited for this UFC..

I think a lot of people might be sleepin on it because the main event isnt a title fight.. or a "super fight" or whatever.


But Chuck vs Jardine should be a good little slugfest. Always exciting to see Chuck out there.
Sanchez vs Fitch should be awesome.
Shogun debut against Forrest should be awesome.
I cant wait to see Machida vs Nakamura. Pride/UFC crossovers are still interesting to me.
Griffin/Tavares should be a good LW scrap.


This card almost have the feel of a Pride shockwave card or something to me.
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Yeah. I always knew this card was better than UFC 75 card. All the fights on UFC 76 are all competitive. Sanchez / Fitch, Griffin / Tavares, Shogun / Forest will all be wars. Joe Silva did a great job pairing everyone up.
 
NAKAMURA! Can't wait to see him back in the ring, he has a lot of heart. I hope he wins that'll be a pretty big upset in most people's eyes. But Nakamura is talented, and he's a pretty complete fighter I'd say. I'd also like to see him rematch against Shogun cause they had a pretty good fight back in pride.

SHOGUN! I think he'll have problems standing with Griffin, the guy seems to know how to take a punch and Shogun's power has never been that impressive. But, if Shogun clinches with Griffin he'll do some majour damage. On the ground Shogun should be able to take it too. Shogun for the win.
 
Is anyone going to make a UFC 76 thread? I used the search function first and noticed how the thread maker of the last few UFC threads made it look really nice and detailed. I don't think I can match that and I don't want to try. So is anyone going to make one or shall I with a really plain info :D
 
Rice-Eater said:
Is anyone going to make a UFC 76 thread? I used the search function first and noticed how the thread maker of the last few UFC threads made it look really nice and detailed. I don't think I can match that and I don't want to try. So is anyone going to make one or shall I with a really plain info :D
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Step up and do it for GAF! You can follow the way Boogie does it or do it better. :)
 
Well Boogie is gone, and NME hasn't posted since he made the UFC 75 thread. I figure it's anybody's game to make the thread. As long as the op puts a little bit of effort in it will be fine.
 
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