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Miyamoto comments on Twilight Princess, Galaxy, Punch-Out and more
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DeaconKnowledge
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Translation - we want everyone to buy their own DS.
nincompoop said:
So Zelda isnt stale but Mario is? Oh and things like the annoy 30 minutes starting tutorial shit, or the half assed wolf mechanics were not what I want in my Zelda. Awesome Mario platforming it cool environments with most of the bullshit cut out is what I want in Mario. My one real complaint about Mario Galaxy is the bullshit unskippable opening
TP was way too conservative in my opinion. Zelda as a series seems like a iterative remake series... LttP-OoT-TP felt like the same game to me. Obviously most people will disagree so I don't expect any change really. Be kind of cool if they went out on a limb and made a different type of game with the Zelda series, ala LA and MM... or even WW.
Sadly the Zelda brand may be too big, and Nintendo probably doesn't want to take a chance with it.
Sadly the Zelda brand may be too big, and Nintendo probably doesn't want to take a chance with it.
Miyamoto: "Whereas it sounds like theres not a whole lot in the realm of the RPG or in the realm of the adventure game where theres an amazing new fresh gameplay element thats been introduced. Would you say thats right?"
is he suggesting that Nintendo's got some plans here? It almost seems like a wink-wink kind of comment, though it's hard to tell in text, and probably also in translation.
is he suggesting that Nintendo's got some plans here? It almost seems like a wink-wink kind of comment, though it's hard to tell in text, and probably also in translation.
I can't believe people are complaining about the hub world. I mean, not that I think there couldn't be ways around it, but I hardly think that not having a hub world is the cure to conservatism that people are expecting.
Totally agree with this, though. You don't need to re-invent the wheel every time. But hey, that's just me, and I subscribe to the "If it ain't broke, don't fucking fix it!" mindset.
HK-47 said:
Totally agree with this, though. You don't need to re-invent the wheel every time. But hey, that's just me, and I subscribe to the "If it ain't broke, don't fucking fix it!" mindset.
RockmanWhore said:
No, making Galaxy like 64 is the wrong way to go. The fact that the level would often have 3-4 arrangements, one for each star, made them interesting. Going through the same large environment just to add the ability to choose stars isnt the right way. Just have all stars save challenge stars selectable from the outset
A Link to the Past
Banned
Miyamoto only said that certain things felt conservative, not the whole game.
Also, I'd like Mario Galaxy 2 (if that's what it turns out to be) to be more non-linear. That is, let the player choose the path they take through space, and let the player freely roam around space rather than being stuck in a planet's orbit and rocketing through space in between them.
Also, I'd like Mario Galaxy 2 (if that's what it turns out to be) to be more non-linear. That is, let the player choose the path they take through space, and let the player freely roam around space rather than being stuck in a planet's orbit and rocketing through space in between them.
A Link to the Past
Banned
HK-47 said:
A freer experience perhaps. Just because you're floating through space doesn't mean that you're floating "willynilly" through it. There could still be tight challenges and such, and such a feature could allow experienced players to go off the beaten path and find a secret star or something of that sort, while less experienced players could stick to the set paths.
In the big picture I don't think TP was received as negatively as WW. And the negative feedback from WW they we got PH on DS, which in my opinion was an attempt to please everyone, which is not what I want them to be doing. They shouldn't really give a shit about what people say. That's what you do when you are trying to sell a product. I'd rather they'd make the game as a creative project first then focus on selling it afterward.Akai said:
I don't know why they made that cross-bow shooting game though.... Maybe they thought the O.G.s wanted a shooting game and they would sell more with a recognizable IP?
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Oblivion said:
yeah.... Didn't really care for that. having to return to the master dungeon all the time nearly made me snap my DS in two.
GreenNight
Member
I just wish Zelda had less bullshit in the beginning. That's what made LTTP so great. You jumped into the middle of the adventure and kicked ass. No training for a damn hour.
mentalfloss
Banned
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Miyamoto on GAF/Cassimassina said:
Dark Octave
Banned
They were awsome. I wish they had become more household. Are they in any recent Mario games?-Kh- said:I want Galaxy 2 with some 3D bosses named:
Brobzoid said:
Hey, I dislike PH as much as the next guy. I was just trying to point out that people complain about Nintendo being too conservative, but they DO try lots of different things. Now whether you think that's a good thing or not, well it's up to the individual. But the point is, they do try more than people give them credit for.
stephentotilo said:
Seriously great job, thanks for asking some of those questions ~
Also, the whole polish/SMG idea isn't downplaying the execution of what's in the game, just the lack of extension within it. There is no denying the SMG is as polished/fun as games get, but I can see areas (the hub in particular/extras) that could've been expanded. I don't think he was talking about the core gameplay, or at least I hope not. SMG is so ripe for experimentation and its design was catered to that idea.
Zelda TP was an awesome game but I think the 'something missing' is the staleness some feel after playing another game using the same formula. The departure was not nearly enough from the ideas presented in OoT and the game suffered for it. Still love it MUCH.
Pseudo_Sam
Survives without air, food, or water
Miyamoto rules, but no way in hell was Galaxy too "conservative". It was actually a bit absurd in regards to level design. I remember my cousin seeing me in Gusty Garden Galaxy, saying "What the fuck? Why the hell is Mario walking on a giant apple? That's just stupid."
...I'm not saying my cousin is right, but the fact remains that some people may have found it off-putting.
...I'm not saying my cousin is right, but the fact remains that some people may have found it off-putting.
What in the fucking fuck is the matter with you? Why did you bring up Wii Music, that's like saying "bomb" on an airplane. I swear to God, if this thread turns into a Wii Music bitch fest I will slap you with my cock.KTallguy said:
Oblivion said:
I'll take the lovable cliches I grew up with over horribly misguided new mechanics anyday. I would rather they had used another light/dark mechanic than have Temple of the Ocean King
The mechanic has to be good, which is why innovation is overrated sometimes. Also I preferred they actually attempted a real story with the MS and Ganon then do another forehead smacking Zelda is kidnapped in the most ridiculous way yet adventure. Hell let us play as Zelda/Tetra/Sheik sometimes. Now that could be interesting. Repeating dungeons and on rails sailing is not what I was looking for.
well, I always assumed they put thought into LA and MM to make them different and good, but they might just have a pool of manatees in their design department that does the riskier titles...Oblivion said:Hey, I dislike PH as much as the next guy. I was just trying to point out that people complain about Nintendo being too conservative, but they DO try lots of different things. Now whether you think that's a good thing or not, well it's up to the individual. But the point is, they do try more than people give them credit for.
ShockingAlberto
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Fuck those peoplePseudo_Sam said:
ShockingAlberto said:
I want a whole full 6-8 star galaxies for some of the ideas they just threw in there as extras. I would totally welcome more Sweet Sweet, Bouy Base or Matter Splatter in a sequel. Of course the whiners and the reviews would hammer that for lack of innovation...
A Link to the Past
Banned
HK-47 said:
There can be visible stars, planets, and other assorted space junk to indicate that there's something out there, and black holes scattered around. I don't see why Mario being able to free-float is a problem - it's not like the space Mario has access to has to be barren. The simple solution to any redundancy is to put a lot of content throughout the space, and provide a map showing where the dead ends begin. Make it so that the player is aware of where he or she may go, and also reward the player for going to a certain spot.
Another concept is the ability to search for planets without having to find them once before, such as through a telescope, and then make the trip to that planet.
Regulus Tera
Romanes Eunt Domus
birdchili said:
Monolith Soft Matsuno's game confirmed!
Maybe its because I only played the first 2-3 hours worth of Galaxy, and maybe there's more variety and crazy-awesomeness later on that I don't know about, but if what I saw in those first 2-3 hours are simply minorly altered as the levels progressive, while retaining the same game mechanics, then I can understand what Miyamoto means by his comment on "conservative design."
If you think about it, gravity-based games have existed even since the NES era, so there's nothing really new there. Rounded platforming levels is neat, but already done before as well. Then you have the puzzle platform levels, which Sunshine did.
I was really expecting the gameplay to blow me away, but instead, it was just making extensive use of the wii controls, and that was more or less it.
His comment on TP also makes sense, since while it was a brilliant game, it was definitely missing something. Even at the 50 hour mark, I felt like I was missing something. I think they needed one more dungeon or something (or at least, that's how it felt, IMO).
And the ending didn't help, either.
Reading the article, I'm disappointed that he didn't ask more on Miyamoto's opinions on hardcore games, or expand on at least Portal. Seems like a lost opportunity, since it looks like he showed interest.
If you think about it, gravity-based games have existed even since the NES era, so there's nothing really new there. Rounded platforming levels is neat, but already done before as well. Then you have the puzzle platform levels, which Sunshine did.
I was really expecting the gameplay to blow me away, but instead, it was just making extensive use of the wii controls, and that was more or less it.
His comment on TP also makes sense, since while it was a brilliant game, it was definitely missing something. Even at the 50 hour mark, I felt like I was missing something. I think they needed one more dungeon or something (or at least, that's how it felt, IMO).
And the ending didn't help, either.
Reading the article, I'm disappointed that he didn't ask more on Miyamoto's opinions on hardcore games, or expand on at least Portal. Seems like a lost opportunity, since it looks like he showed interest.
KeeSomething
Banned
I'm glad Miyamoto realizes that Twilight Princess was missing something. This fills me with hope, but then again, didn't he praise Phantom Hourglass--the worst Nintendo game I've ever played?