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[cicero]

Halo = great. And there were a dozen other games at that launch for people to play. So by this standard, Xbox wins by default. There's simply no way anyone with standards could settle to thinking a system with two games was a good launch. If ANY system today launched with two games - even if it was MARIO MEETS ZELDA GALAXY IN HALO-LAND - it would be a hilarious joke

but right, it's opinion!

"There's simply no way anyone with standards could settle to thinking a system with two games was a good launch." Oh brilliant, now EVERYONE is held to your subjective standard that states that they have no standards unless they unequivocally agree with your little opinions. *IGNORE* *IGNORE* oh god no...

I'm sorry you take it as I'm dissing your personal jesus, but most people have logical and rational reasons for not masturbating onto the head of that shitty launch.

SideNote: You're not in a position to tell anyone to shut the **** up, let alone be kosher - this thread speaks to your hyperbole as much as anything else, as well as your previous bullshit. So you should tone it down, and quick.

"but most people have logical and rational reasons for not masturbating onto the head of that shitty launch." I love this, logical and rational reasons? Apparently that doesn't include looking at the financial success of a launch, but instead merely conforming to your immediate opinions...OR ELSE.

I didn't even bother to buy an Xbox at launch, I waited a good two and a half years. I mean really, why bother until the system and games were at reasonable prices. But the N64 with Super Mario 64 was a must buy at launch. But wait!

N64 launch, however, was horrible because it had two games period and when you launch a system with only two games, no matter the quality of them, it's a ****ing disaster. There are no exceptions.

Apparently financial success doesn't matter, nor does the superior innovation or quality of the titles, and definitely not the success in terms of numbers of people willing to buy a console at launch that only had two games and their enjoyment of said console. No no, it is merely your subjective standard of multiple launch games that decides if a console is a ****ing disaster launch or not. Mother of god!@#! If Nintendo had only had the genius and foresight to launch with a couple of games like Azurik: Rise of Perathia and Fuzion Frenzy their launch would have been exactly 50% better! Include a lineup like AirForce Delta Storm, Dark Summit, Cel Damage, and Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee and that launch would have been, as the kids say now, off the hook!!

 

[Pakkidis]

*sigh*

How about we avoid this whole launch title debate by not getting the system when its first released? Im gonna wait one year and let all the companies fight it out, I want them fighting hard for my hard earned money!!!

 

[cicero]

interestingly enough, this topic has nothing to do with the quality/lack of quality at Wii's launch anymore (or its controller still being ****ed with) - it's basically about Xbox launch v. N64 launch. What a weird world we live in!

Gosh, thread derailments are crazy things. I wonder how this one happened along those specific lines. I guess we will never know...

 

[Matt_C]

dude you are such a narbo. seriously, you have like, no soul or something.

if it wasn't for Mario 64, 1996 would arguably be the worst year in the history of man kind.

I was upset with Mario 64 since it barely had anything resembling Super Mario Brothers at all. No two player, no magic mushroom, and no fireflower. I remember one guy, in middle school, returning an N64 a month after launch since he got bored with Mario64 at the time.

Spoiler

I only had a SNES then and I wanted to play catch up on all of the SNES rpgs at the time.

 

[KINGMOKU]

"There's simply no way anyone with standards could settle to thinking a system with two games was a good launch." Oh brilliant, now EVERYONE is held to your subjective standard that states that they have no standards unless they unequivocally agree with your little opinions. *IGNORE* *IGNORE* oh god no...




"but most people have logical and rational reasons for not masturbating onto the head of that shitty launch." I love this, logical and rational reasons? Apparently that doesn't include looking at the financial success of a launch, but instead merely conforming to your immediate opinions...OR ELSE.

I didn't even bother to buy an Xbox at launch, I waited a good two and a half years. I mean really, why bother until the system and games were at reasonable prices. But the N64 with Super Mario 64 was a must buy at launch. But wait!


Apparently financial success doesn't matter, nor does the superior innovation or quality of the titles, and definitely not the success in terms of numbers of people willing to buy a console at launch that only had two games and their enjoyment of said console. No no, it is merely your subjective standard of multiple launch games that decides if a console is a ****ing disaster launch or not. Mother of god!@#! If Nintendo had only had the genius and foresight to launch with a couple of games like Azurik: Rise of Perathia and Fuzion Frenzy their launch would have been exactly 50% better! Include a lineup like AirForce Delta Storm, Dark Summit, Cel Damage, and Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee and that launch would have been, as the kids say now, off the hook!!

I think I love you.

 

[imastalker co.]

What's up with Zelda all of a sudden being a big reason why the Wii launch is going to be so great? It's a GAMECUBE game.

Wii version has widescreen, and a new interface for Zelda. only Nintendo fans are excited about Zelda on GAF, so that's another reason. it's not like it's random non-gamers opinion here.

 

[SantaC]

I was upset with Mario 64 since it barely had anything resembling Super Mario Brothers at all. No two player, no magic mushroom, and no fireflower.

yes because all games has to play exactly the same as its predecessor!

**** RE4...oh wait.

What's up with Zelda all of a sudden being a big reason why the Wii launch is going to be so great? It's a GAMECUBE game.

It's Zelda! It's the first time Nintendo launches with a Zelda game.

 

[jarrod]

I pick choice C.), one launch with 10 games, four of which are made by Nintendo, two of which are decent third party titles, a few of which are bad licensed whatever, and the rest are variety (sports, etc).

Which is, not coincidentally, the Wii launch situation.

Hmmm...

-Excite Truck (Nintendo)
-Metroid Prime 3: Corruption (Nintendo)
-The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess (Nintendo)
-Wii Sports (Nintendo)

-Red Steel (Ubisoft)
-Super Monkey Ball: Banana Blitz (SEGA)

-Cars (THQ)
-Madden FNL 2007 (Electronic Arts)
-SpongeBob SquarePants: Creature from the Krusty Krab (THQ)
-Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam (Activision)

...do i win?

 

[jarrod]

yIt's Zelda! It's the first time Nintendo launches with a Zelda game.

GBC had Link's Awakening DX.

It was hot.

 

[Beowvlf]

It's Zelda! It's the first time Nintendo launches with a (backwards compatible) Zelda game.

?

So if the PS3 can upscale PS2 titles to 1080p, does that mean it'll be the first time Sony's launched with a Final Fantasy if XII hits on the 17th? Or does the boxart have to say PlayStation 3?

 

[Amir0x]

"There's simply no way anyone with standards could settle to thinking a system with two games was a good launch." Oh brilliant, now EVERYONE is held to your subjective standard that states that they have no standards unless they unequivocally agree with your little opinions. *IGNORE* *IGNORE* oh god no...

I didn't say they have to agree with me, but if you think a system with two launch games is good quality MY opinion is that you have standards that are so low quality as to be irrelevant. But that's just my viewpoint!

"but most people have logical and rational reasons for not masturbating onto the head of that shitty launch." I love this, logical and rational reasons? Apparently that doesn't include looking at the financial success of a launch, but instead merely conforming to your immediate opinions...OR ELSE.

I'm pretty sure that any sane person can tell that we're talking about the quality of launch in terms of games, not financial success. If you pepper some more bold, though, I'm pretty sure even more "special" people like moku will think it was correct.

I didn't even bother to buy an Xbox at launch, I waited a good two and a half years. I mean really, why bother until the system and games were at reasonable prices. But the N64 with Super Mario 64 was a must buy at launch. But wait!

I'm not sure there's any realistic way to respond to this lollerific point. So moving on...

*cry bitch FINANCIAL NINTENDO MAKES MONEY DONT YOU SEE BRITNEY SPEARS AND ENTER THE MATRIX AND ALSO THINGS THAT SELL WELL ad naseum*

Mother of god!@#! If Nintendo had only had the genius and foresight to launch with a couple of games like Azurik: Rise of Perathia and Fuzion Frenzy their launch would have been exactly 50% better! Include a lineup like AirForce Delta Storm, Dark Summit, Cel Damage, and Oddworld: Munch's Oddysee and that launch would have been, as the kids say now, off the hook!!

Yeah, Nintendo didn't have the genius of foresight to include ANYTHING except two titles - that's the point. One happened to be revolutionary, it's true, but that doesn't make up for what the complete lack of support the system demonstrated from day one. Microsoft gave us great, revolutionary title in its own right - Halo - and included some great games along with it. And they included variety like with football games and party games and other things that allowed discerning consumers to choose precisely what they liked, instead of forcing consumers to only play the one killer app you have to offer and PILOTWINGS. That's a terrible launch.

But thankfully Nintendo included a nice little platformer called Mario 64. It happened to be one of the most revolutionary groundbreaking games of all time, granted, but it didn't save the savanah drought of nothingness surrounding the launch.

Mario 64 is worth fifty games. Nay, one hundred. On the merits of Mario 64, every launch ever pales in comparrison. This is the standard to live up to guys!

Alt: OH GOD GUYS IGNORE DO YOU SEE THIS BOLD IT SEEMS IMPORTANT AND ALSO CREATES THE APPEARANCE THAT I AM SAYING SOMETHING RELEVANT

Alt2: Nintendo prints money, so they're infallible!

 

[SantaC]

?

So if the PS3 can upscale PS2 titles to 1080p, does that mean it'll be the first time Sony's launched with a Final Fantasy if XII hits on the 17th? Or does the boxart have to say PlayStation 3?

why does it matter? I could give a damn what extra capabilities Zelda TP gets, but the fact stands that Zelda launches the same day as Wii - for Wii.

 

[jarrod]

?

So if the PS3 can upscale PS2 titles to 1080p, does that mean it'll be the first time Sony's launched with a Final Fantasy if XII hits on the 17th? Or does the boxart have to say PlayStation 3?

Hey, shut up.

Zelda >>>>>> Final Fantasy*

Even a waggle welded Zelda >>>>>> a Matsuno Final Fantasy*




* Factually correct

 

[cheekymunky]

Alt: OH GOD GUYS IGNORE DO YOU SEE THIS BOLD IT SEEMS IMPORTANT AND ALSO CREATES THE APPEARANCE THAT I AM SAYING SOMETHING RELEVANT

:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

 

[Jokeropia]

I vastly prefer one fantastic game to ten good games so I completely agree with cicero. Mario 64 was more than enough to keep me occupied until more games got released (getting 120 stars meant lots and lots of playtime) and Pilotwings offer quite the longevity (especially for a completionist) as well.

And they included variety like with football games and party games and other things that allowed discerning consumers to choose precisely what they liked, instead of forcing consumers to only play the one killer app you have to offer and PILOTWINGS. That's a terrible launch.

And yet more people found the N64 offering worth purchasing than the Xbox offering. How does that work? Could it be that you're in the minority?

It's fine if YOU prefer the Xbox launch to the N64's, but your argument fails when you try to make it objective by speaking for customers in general.

 

[Amir0x]

I vastly prefer one fantastic game to ten good games so I completely agree with cicero. Mario 64 was more than enough to keep me occupied until more games got released (getting 120 stars meant lots and lots of playtime) and Pilotwings offer quite the longevity (especially for a completionist) as well.And yet more people found the N64 offering worth purchasing than the Xbox offering. How does that work? Could it be that you're in the minority?

It works like this - Nintendo is a company that had established itself in the videogame world for over a decade, and had a dedicated loyal fanbase. That same fanbase was willing to accept even two games at launch. And Microsoft had to prove themselves, irregardless of how many quality titles they had. That's pretty much how it works!

 

[Jokeropia]

I had a feeling you'd say that. I do agree that a lot of people gave Nintendo the benefit of the doubt when they got the N64 with the games available, but given how universally lauded Mario 64 is I doubt many of them ended up disappointed.

 

[shuri]

There hasnt been a Nintendo console launch that hasnt been horrible since the snes.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Well this thread went places. GAF is on drugs today.

 

[Archie]

at least the title change reflects the reality of this thread now :lol

 

[Square2005]

I had all those systems at launch, and N64 having mario 64 didn't stop its launch from sucking...

You call the N64 selling 325,741 in one week a sucky launch!? :lol
And this back when the U.S. market was in a slump too.

 

[Amir0x]

You call the N64 selling 325,741 in one week a sucky launch!? :lol

Warning: Breakdown of reading comprehension in progress

 

[shuri]

He's talking about games. For what felt like a decade, n64 owners had only mario64 and pilotwing to play, then waverace and that star wars games.

No wonder most exclusive titles sells a ****ton on nintendo consoles, players dont have much to play.

 

[Mrbob]

Nice thread title change.

Let us all be friends and enjoy CRACKDOWN this fall, coming to a xbox 360 near you!

 

[Archie]

Nice thread title change.

Let us all be friends and enjoy CRACKDOWN this fall, coming to a xbox 360 near you!

oh mrbob-chan. -_- what game will you hype next when crackdown is a dissapointment?

 

[GhaleonEB]

oh mrbob-chan. -_- what game will you hype next when crackdown is a dissapointment?

The awesome sequel, of course.

(Crackdown looks great.)

 

[Amir0x]

oh mrbob-chan. -_- what game will you hype next when crackdown is a dissapointment?

Sure bets like GEARS OF WAR and HALO 3 and MASS EFFECT ftw

 

[Archie]

Sure bets like GEARS OF WAR and HALO 3 and MASS EFFECT ftw

Maybe he should go back to pimping Too Human.

 

[GhaleonEB]

Maybe he should go back to pimping Too Human.

Speaking of which - is that game still scheduled for 2006? (please say no)

 

[Amir0x]

Speaking of which - is that game still scheduled for 2006? (please say no)

they gotta snap to it, there's three games to be done!

 

[Speevy]

Viva Pinata - Customize your garden and attract new pinata species, Amir0x's kinda game.

 

[Amir0x]

Viva Pinata - Customize your garden and attract new pinata species, Amir0x's kinda game.

 

[Mrbob]

Maybe he should go back to pimping Too Human.

I've been pimping Crackdown far longer than Too Human.

I need to get on the MS payroll though. Doing this for free sux.

 

[imastalker co.]

Mrbob, are you busting out a Smashing Drive on us?

 

[Mrbob]

Smashing Drive?

Naw, I'm talking about the Xbox 360 Twilight Princess equivalent in terms of quality, Crackdown. Nay, not equivalent, supercedes it in greatness.

 

[Square2005]

He's talking about games. For what felt like a decade, n64 owners had only mario64 and pilotwing to play, then waverace and that star wars games.

No wonder most exclusive titles sells a ****ton on nintendo consoles, players dont have much to play.

Actually the wait was only about a month:
From launch (9/29)* to Wave Race 64, Star Wars, etc. (11/1)*
*source GameFAQ

Unless you're refering to Japan.

Sorry I only read the first page... I get upset when someone still implies the N64 was a failure in the U.S. b/c we (the GAF) all know better, right?
There are still those (mostly mainstreamers) that believe the N64 was a total failure and was absolutely no threat to PSX.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

GBC had Link's Awakening DX.

It was hot.

It should also be noted that GT3 A-Spec (basically a PS1 game on PS2) was a "hot" seller as well. And to add, the Zelda Seasons games (GBC games) that launched alongside the GBA did *very* well.

EDIT: But then again, sales, numbers, success matter not as this isn't about what people think is good and thus buy it all up...it's about Amir0x being right and every one of you GAF twerps being wrong...you're ALL wrong, bow down.

 

[Archie]

I've been pimping Crackdown far longer than Too Human.

I need to get on the MS payroll though. Doing this for free sux.

If you were on the MS payroll would you get paid in gamer points?

 

[GhaleonEB]

they gotta snap to it, there's three games to be done!

That's the nice thing about announcing a trilogy at once. Not going to make your ship for the first game? "Bump that level to part 2."

 

[imastalker co.]

you're crazy. Gran Turismo 3 is clearly leaps over Gran Turismo on PSone.

 

[AndoCalrissian]

The only changes I'd like them to make to the controller is adding a microphone that isn't retarded to use (speaking into the speaker would be), and by enlarging the A button a bit like it was back on the TGS controller. The speaker can stay, though it uglifies the controller a bit.

So it was said, so it shall be done. :lol

As for the launch, I'm not worried. There are several games planned for launch or shortly thereafter that I'm very excited for. Enough titles that I probably won't be able to afford them all.

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Yeah, but if we're gonna call Zelda: TP on GCN "the same" as the Wii version, then I'm allowed to say GT3 on PS1 was "the same" as the PS2 version.

Neither one of them are the same, yet if we wanna hop on the twist'n'go and spin things to meet our agenda of proving that one theoretical upcoming launch is worse than another past-tense rhetorical launch then so is the way of NeoGAF!

 

[Amir0x]

But then again, sales, numbers, success matter not as this isn't about what people think is good and thus buy it all up...

another victim of lack of comprehension on aisle 2

then I'm allowed to say GT3 on PS1 was "the same" as the PS2 version.

 

[imastalker co.]

Yeah, but if we're gonna call Zelda: TP on GCN "the same" as the Wii version, then I'm allowed to say GT3 on PS1 was "the same" as the PS2 version.

that's like, no where near anywhere im going. im not even speaking your language even.

im just saying, that GT3 was definitely a new game. lots of stuff from the previous games, but there was more than enough in there to make it a very hefty sequel.

Twilight Princess, although definitely more feature packed, isn't anywhere near the jump from PSone to PS2 Gran Turismo.

Amir0x said it best:

 

[DrGAKMAN]

another victim of lack of comprehension on aisle 2

Hey man...I'm not fightin' the power, I believe in everything you say.

Kidding aside...I really wasn't paying attention to the argument nor taking sides...just wondering why for the 3RD day in a row, in as many topics, you & junker are going at it and thusly derailing topics.

 

[JJConrad]

I was going to type...

"I see no problem with Nintendo adjusting the controller 6 months before launch. Its a minor adjustment that doesn't really effect the primary function of the controller. Now if they were still adjusting the controller 6 months after launch... that's different. But what moronic company would ever try to do that...?"

...but I didn't want to derail this thread.

 

[Ignatz Mouse]

dude you are such a narbo. seriously, you have like, no soul or something.

if it wasn't for Mario 64, 1996 would arguably be the worst year in the history of man kind.

Yoshi's Island, Wipeout XL, Twisted Metal 2, Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, Resident Evil, Worms, Die Hard Trilogy, Virtua Fighter 2, and *I think* the second Panzer Dragoon game... (and Nights?) say hello. I have even more favorites, but I think those are among the best-remembered.

1996 was an awesome year for games.

N64 launch did suck, though. SNES, too, though SMW did a better job of carrying the system for me than M64 did.

 

[imastalker co.]

god that controller was hands down the most filthiest thing i've ever seen.

 

[Amir0x]

Kidding aside...I really wasn't paying attention to the argument nor taking sides...just wondering why for the 3RD day in a row, in as many topics, you & junker are going at it and thusly derailing topics.

I was gonna make another thread about the subject to continue this 'debate' there, but then I got bored!

Btw, just briefly on that subject, in terms of sales... all these systems are superior to N64 launch:

PS2: 391,245
Xbox: 711,619
GBA: 870,179
GCN: 647,466
NDS: 479,695
PSP: 620,000
360: 326,000

which is a good reason why i think launch sales is a pretty poor barometer of quality of launch lineup, i think!

 

[DrGAKMAN]

Close this bitch I HAVE BEEN OWNED by Amir0x once again!

I totally meant the GT that that was based off the PS1 game that launched shortly after PS2...not GT3...can't remember the exact name of it, but I was wrong and I appologize

Spoiler

, but the point I was trying to make is still there.